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She's made it very clear that she doesn't want to be president...After being in the White House for 8 years and having a front row seat to the presidency I doubt she wants to do that again. :huntyga: 

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LilyLark
34 minutes ago, homomo said:

Systemically, it’s the goal of the far left to dismantle the existing social structures put in place to enable the lower class, BBIPOC, and other marginalized groups of people to rise up and ‘fight the power’ so to speak! Therefore, by nature anyone who supports Michelle wouldn’t exactly be a leftist. They would be centrists or liberals at most.

This is because the Obamas aren’t exactly leftists themselves. Their policies and behaviors still align with capitalism, therefore making them democratically centre/liberal.

Unfortunately, there is no real far left candidate in the USA. Neither is there a real leftist candidate. Bernie and Warren would be considered left-wing, but they are no where near the levels of left to become socialist runners. Therefore them and all other presidential candidates are scrutinized by the far left, because there is not a single one of them who want to dismantle the capitalist system.

 

 I completely get socialists and conservatives not supporting Michelle as she's not one. My point is there's a difference between not supporting someone, and straight up attacking them (especially when they are apolitical 99% if the time and not even the first lady anymore—and she's  hardly political like Chelsea or Ivanka on twitter)—and often attacking them with a racist undertone. It's not like she was a President, Senator, or even politically involved like Hillary was when she was a first lady (I don't really consider charity or healthy lunches political).  I've literally seen people flip their sh*t over the fact that she wrote a book, except every first lady has more or less done so—including Jimmy Carter's wife who wrote several. The ex-first lady of the socialist president of my  mom's home country also wrote a book–it's like a right of passage for first ladies.

So if she ran (and it will never, ever happen) some wouldn't just not support her (which would be their choice, and nothing wrong with it) but would also resort to disgustingly racist attacks to boot. That's my problem with some far left progressives and conservatives who go after her now—that they get insanely vitriolic about a woman who stays out of politics and there's often an underlying (or obvious) racial animus to their anger.

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Economy
40 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its very predictable what her policy is going to be though.

Policy one what? Theres tones of different policies and plans one can make within the same party

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Faysalaaa
21 minutes ago, Economy said:

Policy one what? Theres tones of different policies and plans one can make within the same party

Yeah you can have different policy in the same party obviously. But she obviously belongs to the group like Obama, Biden, and Hilary. Shes more likable and charismatic so she will have a different approach.

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Economy
8 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Yeah you can have different policy in the same party obviously. But she obviously belongs to the group like Obama, Biden, and Hilary. Shes more likable and charismatic so she will have a different approach.

But what policies are u talking about? What plans? Even within a general political affiliation theres a wide range of plans u can have

 

u still cant say ud vote for them based on assumptions of what they might or might not do

 

u can have a predictable stance on usual things like medicare or forein policy but thats not enough to say ud vote for someone that hasnt released a plan platform

 

Edit: a side question even tho its a bit off topic. Your from Saudi Arabia right?

 

whats ppls views there in general of western politics? Especially things like female leaders?

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homomo
32 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

 I completely get socialists and conservatives not supporting Michelle as she's not one. My point is there's a difference between not supporting someone, and straight up attacking them (especially when they are apolitical 99% if the time and not even the first lady anymore—and she's  hardly political like Chelsea or Ivanka on twitter)—and often attacking them with a racist undertone. It's not like she was a President, Senator, or even politically involved like Hillary was when she was a first lady (I don't really consider charity or healthy lunches political).  I've literally seen people flip their sh*t over the fact that she wrote a book, except every first lady has more or less done so—including Jimmy Carter's wife who wrote several. The ex-first lady of the socialist president of my  mom's home country also wrote a book–it's like a right of passage for first ladies.

So if she ran (and it will never, ever happen) some wouldn't just not support her (which would be their choice, and nothing wrong with it) but would also resort to disgustingly racist attacks to boot. That's my problem with some far left progressives and conservatives who go after her now—that they get insanely vitriolic about a woman who stays out of politics and there's often an underlying (or obvious) racial animus to their anger.

This sounds like something the far right complains about, because I'm part of far-leftist groups online and in person and the opinions of Michelle are all based in capitalism. If it's white people complaining about her this way, they obviously aren't far left at all. Maybe liberal? And even then, white English speaking people are more keen to swing right politically than left.

I'm not trying to undermine your statement. I totally understand how the judgments towards her seem unjustified. However, it depends on the context of these judgments. The BBIPOC on the left would judge her because she could be a beacon of hope for marginalized groups, yet still supports capitalism, where as the white people on the right would probably just  judge her simply because of her skin colour or the fact that she is a woman.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I want you to realize there is a major difference between the far left and the far right. The far left side is anti-facist and wants to get rid of nazis, racists, homophobes, and make sure minorities and marginalized groups have equal status among the rest of the society, where as the far right wants to make sure only the richest and whitest people survive, while the rest of society crumbles at their feet. A major difference between both sides.

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Faysalaaa
29 minutes ago, Economy said:

Edit: a side question even tho its a bit off topic. Your from Saudi Arabia right?

whats ppls views there in general of western politics? Especially things like female leaders?

People here dont know or care about western politics at all. They care more about what the current American president think about us, and weather they will support our goals. What they care the most about is weather America will support our cold war with Iran and the Shias. This is why Saudis hate Obama because he supported the Iran deal, while really loving Trump which is not what Americans would expect. This is not my personal opinion though.

As for female leaders like during Hilary's election, people were actually in support of her because our media loves Hilary and is seen as our ally. They dont talk much about her being a woman. Although today, there is a huge push to support women in the country and new laws are put in every single day in support of women. So now, even the most conservative religious bedwins in the country talk about womens rights lol

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Lilmonzter

I admire Michelle Obama  a great deal, coming from her background to where she got, incredibly capable eloquent orator, knowledgeable 

But I dont want another nepotistic clan ala clintons, or the bushmen

Nope try again

Bernie Tulsi or Yang :heart:

Veni Vidi Amavi
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Morphine Prince
3 hours ago, Economy said:

America has to get over celebrity figures in politics and learn to split the two :saladga:

not saying a celebrity cant go into politics but who they are shouldnt be a factor in peoples voting decisions :neyde:

 

We literally have a celebrity president :rip: 

 

The friends I've had to bury, they keep me up at night
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Morphine Prince
3 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

As much as I hate Michelle Obama, I think shes the only one who can actually beat Trump.

Imagine hating Michelle....wtf. 

The friends I've had to bury, they keep me up at night
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Faysalaaa
32 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Imagine hating Michelle....wtf. 

Im not fooled by her likable charismatic personality and dancing on Ellen. I care about her and her husband actions and corruption towards foreigners and the American people. Shes part of that system and she wants that system to continue still even in 2020.

There is no difference between her and someone Hilary Clinton, but id rather Hilary because atleast people hate her and will call out her crimes and corruption, but I dont think they will with Michelle.

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Economy
29 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

We literally have a celebrity president :rip: 

 

I know :rip:

 

the only celebrity id like to see running is Oprah Winfrey because having been just a normal African American Woman, then rising to celebrity status but also a business woman, and interveweing ppl of all walks of life for decades...

 

I feel like her general knowledge of life of different classes of people and backgrounds is quite extensive and could be a rare asset in politics

 

still my support wouldnt be automatic. Id still need to see what she planed to bring to table

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Whispering
41 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Im not fooled by her likable charismatic personality and dancing on Ellen. I care about her and her husband actions and corruption towards foreigners and the American people. Shes part of that system and she wants that system to continue still even in 2020.

There is no difference between her and someone Hilary Clinton, but id rather Hilary because atleast people hate her and will call out her crimes and corruption, but I dont think they will with Michelle.

There is no difference between her and anyone running for President. (or that is President) They are all war criminals and corrupt to you, so what’s it matter? 

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Whispering
4 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:



And I know people will laugh at this, but Tulsi Gabbard can easily beat Trump. She is the only true moderate candidate that everyone can support from Republicans, Libertarians, progressives, and democrats regardless of what they think about her policy. Her presence demands respect and she served in the military, which means Trump wont be able to make fun of her period and her being a woman. Trump tricks only work when hes against someone more corrupted than him like Hilary and Biden.

Wouldn’t she be a war criminal. She volunteered to kill people in the Middle East. It would mean that her presence demands the very opposite of respect.

Trump made fun of McCain for being a POW. He would have no trouble mocking her to her face. His people don’t care who he mocks...children, military, disabled...they are all open game. 

Being a woman? Lolol, that makes Trump’s attacks more vicious and his people more angry. Do you think he respects women? :ladyhaha:

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Faysalaaa
7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

There is no difference between her and anyone running for President. (or that is President) They are all war criminals and corrupt to you, so what’s it matter? 

You keep saying that to me when I never claimed any of that. Maybe all the ones you support I consider war criminals and corrupted. But there is many great examples like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and many more. There is also many great past presidents like JFK and Carter.

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