Spiked on Sam Smith: "You're still a he"

[Hurem 17,800]

10 minutes ago, ltlmnstr said:

Too bad the UK have been using Mx on government forms since 2013 and The Oxford English Dictionary added Mx in 2015.

By continuing to say "it's unnecessary" you imply that Non-Binary people are unnecessary, despite their Gender Dysphoria, and therefore dehumanise them.

Again, transphobic.

Again, non-binary people are not the same thing as trans folks, so it doesn't make sense to call me transphobic.

[Hurem 17,800]

7 minutes ago, Bear said:

I don't understand this position. Why shouldn't we make people feel more comfortable in their identity when is has zero impact on yourself?

You don't even have to understand it to make use of it- no one expects people to spend hours learning lists of pronouns. It's as simple as if someone asks you to address them in a certain way that makes them feel more comfortable you respect that and use it.

If someone straight said this same statement about being gay I'd like to think you and me and everyone here would be totally against it and think it was cruel. Why should it be any different for people who are anything other than cisgendered?

In my opinion, male and female are perfectly enough. Just because a couple of people feel like neither of the two, doesn't mean we should give them a special pronoun that we should all learn to use.

It's stupid having to ask people about their pronoun. It's stupid that people have to think or feel bad in case they mistakenly use the wrong pronoun.

I've been in company of a trans guy who physically looks like a girl and doesn't resemble anything masculine. Everytime I have accidentally referred to him as "she" I felt bad. I don't need this kind of pressure for dozens of other pronouns.

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9 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Again, non-binary people are not the same thing as trans folks, so it doesn't make sense to call me transphobic.

"People in the transgender community may describe themselves using one (or more) of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, and non-binary. Always use the term used by the person."

Source: https://www.glaad.org/transgender/transfaq

You're wrong.

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Ignoring users is such a blessing

[Bear 7,515]

1 minute ago, Hurem said:

In my opinion, male and female are perfectly enough. Just because a couple of people feel like neither of the two, doesn't mean we should give them a special pronoun that we should all learn to use.

But that's on you. Why shouldn't we?

It's like saying "In my opinion straight is perfectly enough. Just because a minority of people in the world feel like they don't identify as straight we shouldn't accept them."

Like the majority of people I'm cisgender. I was born male and I identify as a man and I've always felt comfortable with that. I can't even begin to imagine or comprehend what it must be like to not have those things match, but just because it's not my own experience doesn't mean I can't be compassionate towards those who do feel they have a different gender identity.

It takes nothing away from me to help someone feel better in themselves.

3 minutes ago, Hurem said:

It's stupid having to ask people about their pronoun. It's stupid that people have to think or feel bad in case they mistakenly use the wrong pronoun.

I've been in company of a trans guy who physically looks like a girl and doesn't resemble anything masculine. Everytime I have accidentally referred to him as "she" I felt bad. I don't need this kind of pressure for dozens of other pronouns.

You shouldn't feel bad and you shouldn't worry if you're trying!

If you accidentaly mislabel someone and they correct you, and you respect them enough to change how you address them after that then they are not going to have a problem at all. No one expects anyone to be perfect and mistakes are totally fine. It's just making the effort that counts.

It's not a test that you have to study for. It really is as simple as if someone mentions that they would be prefer to be refered to as "____" then you just respect that

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He still has a **** so factually anf scientifically he's a male. So...  I don't understand this non binary fad that everyone is jumping on. How can you turn round and say you're neither male or female 😂

[Morphine Prince 104,171]

And again in this thread people show they don’t know the difference between sex and gender. 

Imagine being voluntarily ignorant. 

[Hurem 17,800]

10 minutes ago, Bear said:

Like the majority of people I'm cisgender. I was born male and I identify as a man and I've always felt comfortable with that. I can't even begin to imagine or comprehend what it must be like to not have those things match, but just because it's not my own experience doesn't mean I can't be compassionate towards those who do feel they have a different gender identity.

I have no problem being compassionate towards trans people. However, dozens of new genders feel very attention seeking to me. I strongly differentiate trans and non-binary.

16 minutes ago, Bear said:

You shouldn't feel bad and you shouldn't worry if you're trying!

If you accidentaly mislabel someone and they correct you, and you respect them enough to change how you address them after that then they are not going to have a problem at all. No one expects anyone to be perfect and mistakes are totally fine. It's just making the effort that counts.

It's not a test that you have to study for. It really is as simple as if someone mentions that they would be prefer to be refered to as "____" then you just respect that

The thing is, when someone doesn't look like a "he" or a "she" it's REALLY hard (at least for me) not to mislabel them over and over. I just feel like that's another layer of pressure added to society. (I'm talking about unnecessary non-binary pronouns, not he/she ones).

[Morphine Prince 104,171]

I’m dying thinking if this is how barbarians reacted when the digit zero was invented. 

“There can only be 9 digits!!!!” “IT’S NOT POSSIBLE THERE ARE MORE!!!” 

 

[Hurem 17,800]

Y'all comparing digits to genders fffff  

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51 minutes ago, Hurem said:

In my opinion, male and female are perfectly enough. Just because a couple of people feel like neither of the two, doesn't mean we should give them a special pronoun that we should all learn to use.

It's stupid having to ask people about their pronoun. It's stupid that people have to think or feel bad in case they mistakenly use the wrong pronoun.

I've been in company of a trans guy who physically looks like a girl and doesn't resemble anything masculine. Everytime I have accidentally referred to him as "she" I felt bad. I don't need this kind of pressure for dozens of other pronouns.

You personally would feel more comfortable having to acknowledge two genders. 

Hmm.. to quote you,

1 hour ago, Hurem said:

Just because someone feels comfortable with something doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to conform to make them feel better.

What does hypocrisy smell like? 

[Bear 7,515]

Just now, Hurem said:

I have no problem being compassionate towards trans people. However, dozens of new genders feel very attention seeking to me.

Why so may I ask?

Non-binary is in the same family as trans, they have a lot of elements in common.

If you can accept that someone can be born male but identify as a woman and want to transition so their physical characteristics matches their gender identity, is it that much of a stretch to be open to other possibilities? i.e being born male but feeling like their gender fluctuates back and forth between man and woman? feeling like their gender is both male and female at the same time? feeling like neither a male or a female and thus being genderless?

These are all examples of being non-binary. I don't think it's any more complicated than the logic behind being trans

And again, you don't have to learn all these genders like it's a test to study for. I think what people who are non-binary want is just for people to be more open and receptive to them when they explain how they feel or ask to be refered to a certain way.

12 minutes ago, Hurem said:

The thing is, when someone doesn't look like a "he" or a "she" it's REALLY hard (at least for me) not to mislabel them over and over. I just feel like that's another layer of pressure added to society. (I'm talking about unnecessary non-binary pronouns, not he/she ones).

That's okay though, I'm sure it will get easier with time if you let it and want it to.  It's no harder than meeting someone new for the first time and learning their name.

[Morphine Prince 104,171]

Y’all not having basic respect fffff  

[Hurem 17,800]

40 minutes ago, Bear said:

Why so may I ask?

Non-binary is in the same family as trans, they have a lot of elements in common.

If you can accept that someone can be born male but identify as a woman and want to transition so their physical characteristics matches their gender identity, is it that much of a stretch to be open to other possibilities? i.e being born male but feeling like their gender fluctuates back and forth between man and woman? feeling like their gender is both male and female at the same time? feeling like neither a male or a female and thus being genderless?

These are all examples of being non-binary. I don't think it's any more complicated than the logic behind being trans

Trans is changing from one gender to another. From male to female or the other way around. I simply don't see non-binary as the same people as trans and there's no need to call them trans... when they're not. Blaire White (lord have mercy for actually agreeing with her) made some points in her recent video about this.

As for the feeling both gender at the same time, I feel like everyone has dominant gender. 

45 minutes ago, Bear said:

That's okay though, I'm sure it will get easier with time if you let it and want it to.  It's no harder than meeting someone new for the first time and learning their name.

I had no problem with accepting the fact that he wanted to be referred to as "he" but everytime someone mislabeled there was this awkward silence and everyone not knowing what to do.  

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