FATCAT 60,933 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: As someone from the Middle East, yes to me hes way better than Obama because I care about foreign affairs. I mean, Obama is even worse than everyone even Bush, specially regarding foreign affairs, terrorism, torture, wars, whistle blowers, spying on people. Also, when someone like Obama is president, everyone goes to sleep and ignore crimes but when Trump is president, everyone talks about government crimes which is a good thing. But truthfully, none of them are better than the other, they all work for the same people and serve the interest of the Military industrial complex, wall street, banks, and corporations. Bush & Trump were/are for torture. What are you even talking about. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, FATCAT said: Bush & Trump were/are for torture. What are you even talking about. Did not say they are not. Trump and Bush are not good on torture, but Obama is worse than atleast Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Judas 4,106 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Like it or not, recession is coming soon anyways. For more than 2 years now we have been waiting for it to happen. He's just sped it up because of the trade wars. And Europe is going down first this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Did not say they are not. Trump and Bush are not good on torture, but Obama is worse than atleast Trump. I don't know much about this maybe u can clarify how he's better Most of the torture that goes on the President isn't even that involved with as far as I know But given the amount of lives Trump is ruining over-all vs a handful that may get tortured slightly worse vs slightly less (assuming this is even true)... Trump cannot be better I did not even like Obama that much tbh. On the economy I think he did a lot of messed up stuff But I'd still take him over Bush or Trump any day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 But I thought the economy was strong. That's what the white house keeps telling me. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Economy said: I don't know much about this maybe u can clarify how he's better Most of the torture that goes on the President isn't even that involved with as far as I know But given the amount of lives Trump is ruining over-all vs a handful that may get tortured slightly worse vs slightly less (assuming this is even true)... Trump cannot be better I did not even like Obama that much tbh. On the economy I think he did a lot of messed up stuff But I'd still take him over Bush or Trump any day Torture of innocent foreign civilians including children happen because of war, and im sure Trump supports torture but atleast he did not start any wars to practice torture. Remember what Bush did in Abu Ghraib and how he protected the criminals while punishing the whistle blowers? Then Obama tried to hide evidence from the public for 12 years! Then Obama redefined what does and does not constitute “torture” to protect criminals. What they did gives Trump the green light to openly do these crimes legally if he wanted! I did not only talk about torture, I mentioned foreign policy in general which involves the creation and funding of terrorist groups, drone strikes, wars, slavery in Libya, torture, and much more. Ofcourse you would rather have Obama because you dont live in the Middle East. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Torture of innocent foreign civilians including children happen because of war, and im sure Trump supports torture but atleast he did not start any wars to practice torture. Remember what Bush did in Abu Ghraib and how he protected the criminals while punishing the whistle blowers? Then Obama tried to hide evidence from the public for 12 years! Then Obama redefined what does and does not constitute “torture” to protect criminals. What they did gives Trump the green light to openly do these crimes legally if he wanted! I did not only talk about torture, I mentioned foreign policy in general which involves the creation and funding of terrorist groups, drone strikes, wars, slavery in Libya, torture, and much more. Ofcourse you would rather have Obama because you dont live in the Middle East. Well on US-Middle East foreign affairs I honestly don't have enough knowledge of these events in middle East to argue with u so I'll let ur opinion stand At least in most of the world anyway Trump is worse. He's starting trade wars with everybody... He's bankrupting the US at an alarming rate and he constantly lies about everything. Even by politician standards it's incredible how much he manages to lie It's easier to keep track of the truths he actually tells cuz it's actually so rare Here in Canada he's on the news with his nonsense more than our own politicians Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Economy said: Well on US-Middle East foreign affairs I honestly don't have enough knowledge of these events in middle East to argue with u so I'll let ur opinion stand At least in most of the world anyway Trump is worse. He's starting trade wars with everybody... He's bankrupting the US at an alarming rate and he constantly lies about everything. Even by politician standards it's incredible how much he manages to lie It's easier to keep track of the truths he actually tells cuz it's actually so rare Here in Canada he's on the news with his nonsense more than our own politicians Yeah I understand that but personally, I only care about foreign affairs. Thats the only thing I care about when following western media. To me, Obama is responsible for part of my family being refugees so obviously he is the worse in my opinion compared to Trumps 60 day Muslim ban and tweets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,076 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Yeah I understand that but personally, I only care about foreign affairs. Thats the only thing I care about when following western media. To me, Obama is responsible for part of my family being refugees so obviously he is the worse in my opinion compared to Trumps 60 day Muslim ban and tweets. Understandable Tho on a global scale, I still think it's hard to compare the two Were all humans after all. To me I don't care what one does just to my Country or that Country... Trump is shaking the whole world and not in a good way. Even trade wars for example are wars... There's innocent families struggling to get by that get affected by crap like this Even in the US itself, no one has been more affected than innocent farmers. China put tarrifs back on US produce in retaliation and as a result demand for farm goods dropped Even smaller farmers who maybe didn't export and sold only locally, they still get affected by lower produce prices My job had to deal with higher steel prices and in part because of that everyone who works in my company has been on a wage freeze for years including me. And I don't even live in the US I live in Canada But most of our steel is imported from the US and Canada retaliated on US steel tarrifs with our own This guy is ruining everyday people's lives Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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