GoldenPonyboy 2,434 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Woolfsmck said: Your welcome to let such individuals loose in your neighborhood. Not all are willing here Its not about letting them loose, they still have to live somewhere at some point. Id rather them being out and being rehabilitated than them being out of jail without any type of help in ten years. Then they would be even more dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, GoldenPonyboy said: Its not about letting them loose, they still have to live somewhere at some point. Id rather them being out and being rehabilitated than them being out of jail without any type of help in ten years. Then they would be even more dangerous. K ..such specific rehab programs don't exist in the US that I know of like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas18 485 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Mirages said: How are you gonna teach this boy that what he did wasn't right with mental supervision and no sentencing? He clearly understood implications of his actions as he stated it in his text so why shouldn't he take full responsibility? I would not allow no clemency to no one. It's about upbringing and about what you're taught by society. My parents always thaught me that my actions have consequences and if I behave in a certain way I have to be able to take the consequences. He clearly was privilidged his whole life and so he thought he could get away with anything. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're dumb and cant control yourself. How do you know he's privileged? Did you see his family tax returns? Just because he has good grades, doesn't mean he was necessarily from a wealthy family. To answer your question, that's what psychological supervision and counseling is for, to change his way of thinking, which is currently wicked and will get only more wicked when he's surrounded by criminals in a prison at a young age. I am ALWAYS for more clemency for minors, including those who committed crimes. You have to understand that their brains are not fully matured yet, which is why I'm always against completely destroying someone's life because of something they did as a minor. Now of course, if someone is a killer as a minor, you have a big problem and the first step would be to keep them away from society. But to sentence them to death or life? I'm against that. In fact, the sentence should be just as long as that person still needs rehabilitation, which is how it works in Norway for example. Whenever they think you're ready to be back in society they can release you. An example is that Florida school shooter. Looking at him, society saw an evil criminal, in him, I saw a victim rather. Why? He's mentally unstable, yet society and government allow him to go purchase a gun at a gun store and commit things that he probably doesn't understand how bad they are. Had the government have more support for mentally unstable people and actually protect them from themselves and not allow them to buy guys, he wouldn't be in jail for life now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayCristoforo 10,607 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Being reserved for gunpoint? Are you kidding me? This judge can't rewrite the policies. Mess Get the pinot ready, because it's turtle time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Judas18 said: How do you know he's privileged? Did you see his family tax returns? Just because he has good grades, doesn't mean he was necessarily from a wealthy family. To answer your question, that's what psychological supervision and counseling is for, to change his way of thinking, which is currently wicked and will get only more wicked when he's surrounded by criminals in a prison at a young age. I am ALWAYS for more clemency for minors, including those who committed crimes. You have to understand that their brains are not fully matured yet, which is why I'm always against completely destroying someone's life because of something they did as a minor. Now of course, if someone is a killer as a minor, you have a big problem and the first step would be to keep them away from society. But to sentence them to death or life? I'm against that. In fact, the sentence should be just as long as that person still needs rehabilitation, which is how it works in Norway for example. Whenever they think you're ready to be back in society they can release you. An example is that Florida school shooter. Looking at him, society saw an evil criminal, in him, I saw a victim rather? Why? He's mentally unstable, yet society and government allows him to go purchase a gun at a gun store and commit things that he probably doesn't understand how bad they are. Had the government had more support for mentally unstable people and actually protect them from themselves and not allow them to buy guys, he wouldn't be in jail for life now. He said he comes from a good family, that's what that usually means privilidged Look I am a doctor specializing iné neurosurgery so I know a thing or two about brain and it's maturity. The thing right here is he very well knew what he was doing, he himself called it rape, didn't feel a pinch of remorse while sharing the video and bragging about raping a girl. That is clearly not a problem of brain maturity since he knew it was wrong, it's a problem of upbringing. Maybe he is a sociopath that I can't tell but because he knew what he was doing he should take full responsibility. The other things you're describing are societal problems that are quite endemic to the US and yes three y need to work on them,but those have nothing to do with this case that's a completely different debate. I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas18 485 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mirages said: He said he comes from a good family, that's what that usually means privilidged Look I am a doctor specializing iné neurosurgery so I know a thing or two about brain and it's maturity. The thing right here is he very well knew what he was doing, he himself called it rape, didn't feel a pinch of remorse while sharing the video and bragging about raping a girl. That is clearly not a problem of brain maturity since he knew it was wrong, it's a problem of upbringing. Maybe he is a sociopath that I can't tell but because he knew what he was doing he should take full responsibility. The other things you're describing are societal problems that are quite endemic to the US and yes three y need to work on them,but those have nothing to do with this case that's a completely different debate. It's pretty simplistic to say just because someone can name the type of action they performed, means that they must take full responsibility for that. It isn't as simple as that. Some people hurt themselves, and actually talk to other beforehand about suicide, and actually look up suicide methods online. They know what they're going to do.Does that mean they're not mentally ill or unstable? I wasn't saying he didn't know that it was rape. I was saying that he clearly has a problem and prison won't fix it. It'll make it worse, especially in the U.S prison system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Judas18 said: It's pretty simplistic to say just because someone can name the type of action they performed, means that they must take full responsibility for that. It isn't as simple as that. Some people hurt themselves, and actually talk to other beforehand about suicide, and actually look up suicide methods online. They know what they're going to do.Does that mean they're not mentally ill or unstable? I wasn't saying he didn't know that it was rape. I was saying that he clearly has a problem and prison won't fix it. It'll make it worse, especially in the U.S prison system. I don't think his mentally unstable or he shouldn't be taken to prison because he's a minor. Did his parents not teach him anything? My parents were adamant about me knowing right from wrong and they brought me up like that and I knew if I do any of those horrible things I'd go to prison. It works as a deterrent, apparently not for this kid. How is therapy gonna help me I wanna believe you it works well for Norway but I feel like we're too leniant about things nowadays and don't belive this would work on everybody actually I think it could work on a very small part of criminals to be honest. I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenPonyboy 2,434 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Woolfsmck said: K ..such specific rehab programs don't exist in the US that I know of They probably do, its usually something you have to be referred to and they dont really advertise it. Unless you work in the field its not common lnowledge, even here in canada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 76,612 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 5:07 PM, Judas18 said: Let's be real. Prison won't fix him. You guys are being ridiculous. Sending a 16 year old guy to prison for 20 years will only make him worse. The U.S should learn from Norway and Sweden on how they treat wrongdoers and ACTUALLY rehabilitate them to not be repeat offenders, especially minors. And clemency is always granted to minors. It's not uncommon. Minors are held to lower standards than adults. What this teenager needs is mandatory mental supervision and counseling. Had he been an adult, it would've been a different story. It's not like this is untrue BUT we're talking about what the judge said and it's horrifying chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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