Lesbian couple beaten for refusing to kiss in London

[Morphine Prince 109,654]

1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said:

I would obviously stop violence if it happens infront of me or I can help and ive done it many times which is why I commented about it.

Good for you but not everyone is in the position to stop violence nor are all situations the same. What if these men had a gun or knife? I'm not going to judge someone for not pouncing on the men.

If you can make sure the victims are ok it is enough. 

[Alii 2,039]

27 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its crazy how people in America and Europe do nothing when violence happens infront of them, I see it all the time! They just stare or look away with no emotions. I think that is a bigger problem than these criminal racists beating people.

That’s just a typical Middle Eastern mentality. Claiming that Europeans are cruel and we are the kindest. 

If that was true, then Europe wouldn’t have such serious consequences for those who commit hate crimes and other anti-violence laws. And we wouldn’t have laws in almost every Middle Eastern country that allows men to beat their wives lightly. 

A crime like this would be celebrated here. And wouldn’t even be considered a crime. But a honorable reaction by religious people who help keeping our traditions and preventing Western propagandas. 

[holy scheisse 22,907]

4 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Violent people will always exist but they need to know that society will defend itself and attack if they try to commit violence.

Trying to find a video of this violent attack so I can see all of these members of society not defending these poor ladies. Do you have any links to where I can see all those people that didn't jump in.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Good for you but not everyone is in the position to stop violence nor are all situations the same. What if these men had a gun or knife? I'm not going to judge someone for not pouncing on the men.

If you can make sure the victims are ok it is enough. 

I agree but ive seen racist old woman in videos attacking a Muslim for example and people do nothing to stop it. It then leads to violence and people turn their head or watch without emotions. I cant understand that there is no threat if they defending that.

And most people would not intervene if something could also threaten them but there should be some people that would risk it specially in a big public space with alot of people.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

Just now, Faysalaaa said:

I agree but ive seen racist old woman in videos attacking a Muslim for example and people do nothing to stop it. It then leads to violence and people turn their head or watch without emotions. I cant understand that!

And most people would not intervene if something could also threaten them but there should be some people that would risk it specially in a big public space with alot of people.

I’ve also seen plenty of videos of people defending others against racists? Does that mean that everyone in America/Europe helps in those types of attacks?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Alii said:

That’s just a typical Middle Eastern mentality. Claiming that Europeans are cruel and we are the kindest. 

If that was true, then Europe wouldn’t have such serious consequences for those who commit hate crimes and other anti-violence laws. And we wouldn’t have laws in almost every Middle Eastern country that allows men to beat their wives lightly. 

A crime like this would be celebrated here. And wouldn’t even be considered a crime. But a honorable reaction by religious people who help keeping our traditions and preventing Western propagandas. 

You are imagining things and putting words in my mouth because you are projecting what you hate about the Middle East on me. Keep that to yourself and stop projecting because you look crazy.

I was first accused on Trump mentality and now im accuse of Middle Eastern mentality 

[holy scheisse 22,907]

9 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

I agree but ive seen racist old woman in videos attacking a Muslim for example and people do nothing to stop it. It then leads to violence and people turn their head or watch without emotions. I cant understand that!

And most people would not intervene if something could also threaten them but there should be some people that would risk it specially in a big public space with alot of people.

Have you considered the powerful emotions of fear or shock that might prevent somebody from intervening due to the possibility that they'll be attacked or likely outnumbered such as this case with 4 attackers?

 

Edit: have you ever heard of the normal human responses to danger: fight, flight, or freeze? Not everybody's physiology is going to incline them to fight. Many times people are going to panic and freeze up, or run away to defend their wellbeing.

You sir are doing just as much projecting and generalizing as you call others out for by coming to the conclusion that all westerners are emotionless and spineless.

[Sepsami 20,955]

48 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its crazy how people in America and Europe do nothing when violence happens infront of them, I see it all the time! They just stare or look away with no emotions. I think that is a bigger problem than these criminal racists beating people.

guorl no, do u know how hard it is to act in such situations especially if you're alone, agressors are rarely alone and most in groups of 3+

[geopang 4,831]

Why do we not have any description or information about the men that did this?

[Morphine Prince 109,654]

2 minutes ago, geopang said:

Why do we not have any description or information about the men that did this?

They are described as young men and have been arrested.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, holy scheisse said:

Have you considered the powerful emotions of fear or shock that might prevent somebody from intervening due to the possibility that they'll be attacked or likely outnumbered such as this case with 4 attackers?

 

Edit: have you ever heard of the normal human responses to danger: fight, flight, or freeze? Not everybody's physiology is going to incline them to fight. Many times people are going to panic and freeze up, or run away to defend their wellbeing.

You sir are doing just as much projecting and generalizing as you call others out for by coming to the conclusion that all westerners are emotionless and spineless.

I guess people are offended by me saying people in the west? I did not mean it that way, I just see this happening alot on western countries. I dont think its because westerners are spineless and emotionless but I do think people in the west are told to avoid these situation and move on or let authorities deal with it. I also think they can get into alot of legal trouble and social media attacks. People in my country would do nothing if they saw men sexually harassing a woman wearing revealing cloths and I have no problem saying it so no need to get offended if I criticize something I see in the west.

And yes I do understand people having fear and shock when these things happen, im just saying if it happens in a public place where criminals are outnumbered, there should be some who are willing to defend.

I can see why people disagree with me or have criticism of what I said, but people are freaking out about my comment which makes me think its about me more than what I said.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, HoldenC said:

Yes how dare the victims of hate crimes not try and defend themselves against people who, typically, have more physical power over them.  

Thats not what I said lol are you also imagining things like the other guy?

[Mirages 20,259]

59 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its crazy how people in America and Europe do nothing when violence happens infront of them, I see it all the time! They just stare or look away with no emotions. I think that is a bigger problem than these criminal racists beating people.

Not just Europe or America, it's the whole world it's really sad. "When silence betrays"

[SlaeUrAnus 16,111]

1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said:

Its crazy how people in America and Europe do nothing when violence happens infront of them, I see it all the time! They just stare or look away with no emotions. I think that is a bigger problem than these criminal racists beating people.

I understand what you mean, but lets not kid ourselves. If you have 4 men (like in the article) attacking these women, a 5ft 8 skinny guy like me would not get very far if I intervened. 

[holy scheisse 22,907]

2 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

I guess people are offended by me saying people in the west? I did not mean it that way, I just see this happening alot on western countries. I dont think its because westerners are spineless and emotionless but I do think people in the west are told to avoid these situation and move on. I also think they can get into alot of legal trouble and social media attacks and being exposed. People in my country would do nothing if they saw men sexually harassing a woman wearing revealing cloths and I have no problem saying it so no need to get offended if I criticize something I see in the west.

And yes I do understand people having fear and shock when these things happen, im just saying if it happens in a public place where criminals are outnumbered, there should be some who are willing to defend.

I can see why people disagree with me or have criticism of what I said, but people are freaking out about my comment which makes me think its about me more than what I said.

I'm not offended or freaking out I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in your posts. You brought up the European/American which was a generalization just like you took issue with the other person making a generalization about the Middle East. It would be nice if we had so many able and willing people in every situation where violence happens to step in to help the victims but that's not how it happens, we can agree on that.

Also I don't know you so speaking for myself none of my comments are about you as a person, they're responses to your words.