Is Gaga still an idea leader?

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21 minutes ago, Sam98 said:

Honestly, the concept behind ARTPOP changed so many times that it had lost any sense before even being put out. Like, at first it dealt with the "decade of the star" or something like that, then ot switched to "bringing ART to the front of POP through technology" which doesn't say absolutely anything like... what does that even mean in terms of execution?! Moreover, nothing of all of this was even reflected in the music! ARTPOP is an album full of songs that have nothing to do with the concept she was talking about. 

The internal architecture of the tracklist is actually well thought, with songs seemingly flowing in groups of three and ordered as if they followed you during a night out of some sort, HOWEVER there's still nothing of the concept about ART and POP etc. It was and still is confusing as hell, even though I really like the music itself

I think ARTPOP should've been promoted as "Neo-Classical Dada Pop"... or "Venus in 2013". I think it the beginning ARTPOP was a project about ambitious deconstructed (the mask, the wigs, the very first visuals) but it lost its direction after Applause vs. Roar debate. When she performed ARTPOP on TV, everything felt connected, till it felt through its own cracks again.  

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58 minutes ago, Sam98 said:

Honestly, the concept behind ARTPOP changed so many times that it had lost any sense before even being put out. Like, at first it dealt with the "decade of the star" or something like that, then ot switched to "bringing ART to the front of POP through technology" which doesn't say absolutely anything like... what does that even mean in terms of execution?! Moreover, nothing of all of this was even reflected in the music! ARTPOP is an album full of songs that have nothing to do with the concept she was talking about. 

The internal architecture of the tracklist is actually well thought, with songs seemingly flowing in groups of three and ordered as if they followed you during a night out of some sort, HOWEVER there's still nothing of the concept about ART and POP etc. It was and still is confusing as hell, even though I really like the music itself

You clearly didn't get it. Do your research. Bye. 

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29 minutes ago, SHALLOW said:

You clearly didn't get it. Do your research. Bye. 

Do research? On an album's core message?  the work should speak for itself, otherwise it's just posturing

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2 hours ago, Sam98 said:

Honestly, the concept behind ARTPOP changed so many times that it had lost any sense before even being put out. Like, at first it dealt with the "decade of the star" or something like that, then ot switched to "bringing ART to the front of POP through technology" which doesn't say absolutely anything like... what does that even mean in terms of execution?! Moreover, nothing of all of this was even reflected in the music! ARTPOP is an album full of songs that have nothing to do with the concept she was talking about. 

The internal architecture of the tracklist is actually well thought, with songs seemingly flowing in groups of three and ordered as if they followed you during a night out of some sort, HOWEVER there's still nothing of the concept about ART and POP etc. It was and still is confusing as hell, even though I really like the music itself

Prepare for a long post but in hindsight this is what I gathered went down I. ARTPOP’s conception from late 2011-2013. This isn’t fact but some things seem highly plausible and there’s evidence linking stuff up throughout the eras.

ARTPOP’s original concept was about the decay of the blonde popstar as Gaga started to notice a shift in her reception from the media and the general public for her beliefs in equality and her being forceful with pushing for equality and also overexposure from 2009-2011 because of her hectic schedule as the biggest pop artist of the time, hence the song Princess Die, but her label thought it was too dark and I believe her exact words were in an interview pre-album drop in October 2013- back in early 2012 they told her to “just be pretty and sing fun pop songs” so she started working on songs like G.U.Y., Sex Dreams, Donatella and probably other songs we don’t know about. That’s also when she started to dress more glamorous and started getting fillers because of the perception of beauty at the time was very Kim Kardashian glam with big lips, cheekbones and heavy duty makeup. Probably preying on her insecurities as a woman getting towards what she knew was a make or break point for female artists- being considered a “woman” and no longer marketable to younger people.

Then she wanted to do an EDM album about a Disney princess in a rave, an album inspired by a night at a rave club being high on drugs and having fun, but she wanted REAL and HARD EDM songs, the closest glimpse we got was MJH’s production and SOME of G.U.Y.’s, and her label/management intervened again because she wouldn’t be as marketable by promoting drugs, rave culture and mixing it with innocent imagery of Disney princesses etc, and because Dance LITE Pop with a structure of verse-chorus-music break was in trend thanks to songs by artist like David Guetta and Calvin Harris they wanted her to stick to the formula. Then obviously her hip broke, she was addicted to weed, cancelled the tour and fell into a depression and thus started her fibromyalgia. Her management didn’t care and wanted her back as quickly as possible, so that was when she started working on songs with a darker side like Swine then after making so many changes they even wanted MORE changes at the last minute when Applause was out hence she made Venus which was more catchy and repetitive but still had a Gaga edge to it, then she made Dope so they couldn’t make her follow the ballad trend at the time, and then finally everything fell apart with DWUW, Troy leaving her and then the blackout to rebuild her team, come back with an entire video in the vein of her old work entirely self funded subsuquently having no label support and tanking as a “single” although it never got an iTunes release so it technically isn’t one, and the rest is history.

In conclusion, Interscope and Troy stunted ARTPOP while Gaga tried her best to make what she could in a short period of time whilst on tour and with label interference. So it’s actually kinda proven it’s her label’s fault it didn’t do as well (although actually better than you’d have thought despite all the interference and complications) and that’s why I believe she doesn’t acknowledge it, because it’s a stained vision and bad reminder of what she went through creatively at the time.

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17 hours ago, gagzus said:

Prepare for a long post but in hindsight this is what I gathered went down I. ARTPOP’s conception from late 2011-2013. This isn’t fact but some things seem highly plausible and there’s evidence linking stuff up throughout the eras.

ARTPOP’s original concept was about the decay of the blonde popstar as Gaga started to notice a shift in her reception from the media and the general public for her beliefs in equality and her being forceful with pushing for equality and also overexposure from 2009-2011 because of her hectic schedule as the biggest pop artist of the time, hence the song Princess Die, but her label thought it was too dark and I believe her exact words were in an interview pre-album drop in October 2013- back in early 2012 they told her to “just be pretty and sing fun pop songs” so she started working on songs like G.U.Y., Sex Dreams, Donatella and probably other songs we don’t know about. That’s also when she started to dress more glamorous and started getting fillers because of the perception of beauty at the time was very Kim Kardashian glam with big lips, cheekbones and heavy duty makeup. Probably preying on her insecurities as a woman getting towards what she knew was a make or break point for female artists- being considered a “woman” and no longer marketable to younger people.

Then she wanted to do an EDM album about a Disney princess in a rave, an album inspired by a night at a rave club being high on drugs and having fun, but she wanted REAL and HARD EDM songs, the closest glimpse we got was MJH’s production and SOME of G.U.Y.’s, and her label/management intervened again because she wouldn’t be as marketable by promoting drugs, rave culture and mixing it with innocent imagery of Disney princesses etc, and because Dance LITE Pop with a structure of verse-chorus-music break was in trend thanks to songs by artist like David Guetta and Calvin Harris they wanted her to stick to the formula. Then obviously her hip broke, she was addicted to weed, cancelled the tour and fell into a depression and thus started her fibromyalgia. Her management didn’t care and wanted her back as quickly as possible, so that was when she started working on songs with a darker side like Swine then after making so many changes they even wanted MORE changes at the last minute when Applause was out hence she made Venus which was more catchy and repetitive but still had a Gaga edge to it, then she made Dope so they couldn’t make her follow the ballad trend at the time, and then finally everything fell apart with DWUW, Troy leaving her and then the blackout to rebuild her team, come back with an entire video in the vein of her old work entirely self funded subsuquently having no label support and tanking as a “single” although it never got an iTunes release so it technically isn’t one, and the rest is history.

In conclusion, Interscope and Troy stunted ARTPOP while Gaga tried her best to make what she could in a short period of time whilst on tour and with label interference. So it’s actually kinda proven it’s her label’s fault it didn’t do as well (although actually better than you’d have thought despite all the interference and complications) and that’s why I believe she doesn’t acknowledge it, because it’s a stained vision and bad reminder of what she went through creatively at the time.

This is probably very close to what happened, however the concept was still lost somewhere trough all of this. For example, the term ARTPOP itself, as she explained it during the album cycle, still doesn't make sense to me when related to the first concepts, but it was still already there as the album title.

My personal opinion is that the album was conceptually problematic because the album title was probably the first thing that came to her mind and then she tried to revolve always around that even when the music was changing from its initial path. But this is obviously a personal thought and still much speculation 

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18 hours ago, SHALLOW said:

You clearly didn't get it. Do your research. Bye. 

Wow, entitled but with no content to offer. 

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No I dont think she is a musical and visual innovator anymore but I'm fine with that. For me it's all about consistency at this point and she has been serving quality consistently imo.

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3 hours ago, Sam98 said:

This is probably very close to what happened, however the concept was still lost somewhere trough all of this. For example, the term ARTPOP itself, as she explained it during the album cycle, still doesn't make sense to me when related to the first concepts, but it was still already there as the album title.

My personal opinion is that the album was conceptually problematic because the album title was probably the first thing that came to her mind and then she tried to revolve always around that even when the music was changing from its initial path. But this is obviously a personal thought and still much speculation 

Yeah she said the title came to her the day BTW got released and she told Paul about it. I also think she did say she tried to give meaning to it afterwards 

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On 5/5/2019 at 4:30 PM, Sid said:

I get what you mean, Miley definitely ripped a page out of her book, but I honestly can't think of any other radio songs that are similar. The trap and 90s vibe right now was definitely not present on Joanne.

 

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I think your review of ARTPOP is misinformed.

call yourself a ‘fan’. Sure.

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On 5/5/2019 at 4:23 PM, River said:

Joanne actually had more impact than you think, the "simple" idea was actually pretty shocking and controversial for a singer like Gaga and it had a great impact, many singers started to dress simple and to make less EDM music, suddenly we are getting more songs with 90's-early 00's kind of pop.

 

Nope EDM was dead before ARTPOP. Joanne hopped on a trend.

 

 

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I think she is. She can be that over the top, dark girl anytime she wants. Its her core and self.

But she just does not share it. IMO She is waiting... 

 

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I agree with a lot of what you said but I do have to point out some things I don’t agree with. 

First of all, Gaga releasing a jazz album like CTC is not something just “anyone” could do. Some pop girls don’t even have the voice for jazz, meaning their type of voice and tone isn’t suitable for it. Also, not everyone can say they have collaborated with a jazz legend like Tony Bennett. Out of all of the people to do a jazz album with, he happened to have chosen Gaga. That says a lot!!!

I know they have worked before, (when they sang “Lady Is a Tramp”) but he still could have picked someone else to do it with. He didn’t really HAVE to do it with Gaga. 

Also, Joanne has a great place in Gaga’s discography and career. It was very different from what she has ever done before and did set the trend for some other pop girls. 

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