Littlemonsters.com Discussion

[LaXian 25]

I've stated this before but I will say it again, it has come to a point where it is beyond criticism tbh ... They are back lashing her, yes I don't want her to play the victim and just go back to not giving a crap but I too would defend myself if people continuously back lashed me for no reason but personal opinion ...

 

Go read some of her album reviews ... Most of them stopped talking about the album first paragraph in and starts criticizing Gaga for being Gaga ...

 

What I take is that someones' opinion should not define someones' work and label it as being a 'flop' or even being a 'masterpiece', yet everyone gives critics the power of "knowledge" because they are being paid to write it ... Gaga is one of the most hard working pop stars there is and I have nothing but RESPECT for everything she has to put up with ...

 

We need to support her so that she can slay us once again in this year to come ...

[Pop 4,541]

I'm sorry, but this is completely delusional. 

[Jeff Kunst 0]

What makes it a tantrum is that no one but die-hard apologists are able to see the other side. She's really not sparking a discussion with this, at least not one that will serve to change anything.

 

Forget what hypothetical other people must think for a second, why should you or I here and now see it as a tantrum? We have the choice of how to take her comments, what to take away from them, and whether they spark discussion. We get to decide whether to change or rethink our views or not.

 

What you're doing is following a self-fulfilling prophecy: she won't change anything because its a tantrum because she won't change anything because its a tantrum and so on. The way out of that circular argument is to decide that yes, you can see the other side of the story no matter what you assume other people will see in this situation.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Jeff Kunst

[Princess Die 1,864]

No. She understands. :Tea:

[Disregard 50]

Forget what hypothetical other people must think for a second, why should you or I here and now see it as a tantrum? We have the choice of how to take her comments, and what to take away from them. We get to decide whether to change or rethink our views or not.  What you're doing is following a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

I mean, you may have a different view than I of what is considered a tantrum, but the fact is, she's bothered. And why? That's what I'm asking. Don't say one thing if you're immediately going to demonstrate something else. She's said reviews don't matter, what's most important is that the fans love it, and that what matters most is the love of the music. What happened there?

[Sister 9,907]

Well, if this is a little research game being played by Gaga then she loses my respect, because then, to me, it's been all superficial and an act since writing this album, to get everyone buzzing about Gaga failing just so Gaga can show us the worth in critiquing art and the artists worth, itself. I see absolutely no soul in that and would call that a waste of her time and talent kind of project, while being a musician and having justified fans awaiting your next production. Would she leave out the music, just to "become" an artist?!

It makes me question then, what is there left to like?

[Debaser 50]

She had no problem understanding critics back in 2008-2011, when they all worshiped her and thought of her as the second coming of Christ, meanwhile trashing every other pop star...  but all of a sudden it's not ok anymore? 

 

Criticism is a major and necessary part of any ART, Gaga. You should know that 

[Princess Die 1,864]

I play the piano and know how to write a song.

[Jeff Kunst 0]

I mean, you may have a different view than I of what is considered a tantrum, but the fact is, she's bothered. And why? That's what I'm asking. Don't say one thing if you're immediately going to demonstrate something else. She's said reviews don't matter, what's most important is that the fans love it, and that what matters most is the love of the music. What happened there?

 

All that is compatible with what she's been saying. Because, I can't stress this enough, she's not trying to get us to feel sorry for her! She's trying to get us to question and discuss exactly that- what matters most? To a lot of people in this fan-base the critics' reviews, the general public opinion, and the charts seem to matter so much more than judging her actual output and its meaning and value for ourselves.

 

I don't think she's as bothered as everyone seems to think. Or rather, she's not bothered by the critics but by peoples' unthinking acceptance of their opinions or their unquestioned role in how people experience art.

Well, if this is a little research game being played by Gaga then she loses my respect, because then, to me, it's been all superficial and an act since writing this album, to get everyone buzzing about Gaga failing just so Gaga can show us the worth in critiquing art and the artists worth, itself. I see absolutely no soul in that and would call that a waste of her time and talent kind of project, while being a musician and having justified fans awaiting your next production. Would she leave out the music, just to "become" an artist?!

It makes me question then, what is there left to like?

 

Where you getting this stuff? Research game?

She had no problem understanding critics back in 2008-2011, when they all worshiped her and thought of her as the second coming of Christ, meanwhile trashing every other pop star... but all of a sudden it's not ok anymore? 

 

 

She's been talking about this stuff since the Paparazzi era. Just maybe slightly less directly.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Jeff Kunst

[Disregard 50]

All I really see is that suddenly she's not the golden child anymore and her insecurities have manifested themselves into this battle between her innate inferiority complex and her idea that she is above criticism. If not, then when she was praised maybe she could have had more of an attitude like "Why does this matter? Do you love my work because these faceless people praised it, or do you love it because you simply do?"

[Cameron1012 0]

Yeah but along with the creation of art there's a whole process of thinking about the world around her and her place in it. Themes don't just come out of nowhere. She needs to think through this stuff in order for it to get explored in her artistic output.

 

Everyone here somehow got it in their heads that all she's saying is "woe is me" over and over, but she's actually questioning a prevalent attitude and a whole process that would exist with or without her. It's not all about her and its not at all about dollars, its about questioning the way we collectively interact with art and maybe finding a better way for all involved. And that's totally fine for her to bring up for discussion, except it doesn't work if we all just dump on her for daring to bring it up.

 

It's not something to be "gotten over", its something to be discussed.

 

There's absolutely no reason to think this is her "undoing". At all. People can question things. They can be sad, disappointed, or even depressed. That doesn't mean she's finished, it means she is human.

To spread positivity maybe first she has to get people to question their unexamined lusts for negativity. At least, that's part of it.

 

Well seeing you you seem to have great conscious,(and I do mean this seriously, your perspective is beautiful) you must also realize none of us, you, or anyone else here exactly knows what Gaga is going through and what this recent post on little monsters is actually about. Personally when I read it I automatically got a bad vibe, not because the fan base is reacting negatively, but because it's context with her other posts on lm.com. It's completely plausible that this is just some sort of digression into a discussion about critics, but it's also completely plausible this is simply an extension of possible sadness/depression whatever, ...you know an outcry. 

 

And I also think alot of people assume it's an outcry because I think most people act the same people Gaga does when we're upset about something, and are able to recognize through their own experiences when someone is having one. When someone is really upset about something they  usually continue to talk(more so vent) about subjects directly related to their pain over an amount of time....as a simple form of catharsis. It seems she is posing questions like a discussion, but after reading the whole post, it seems she's just relaying thoughts/emotions on the internet. And it's not so uncommon for people to vent online, ever since the creation of social networking, as it's so much easier to vent things into a digital world than in person...you know, the venting isn't as real, so the pain isn't neither. 

 

Personally I find myself preaching to others when I'm in the pain about the very issue I'm in pain about. For example if I find myself having doubt about me achieving my dreams, I often text or call my friends and tell them hey, dont ever stop believing yourself, and if the road gets hard....yada. It's pretty much vicariously preaching to yourself.

 

But like i said....none of us know exactly what is going on. An I do agree, with some posters and you, instead of making a possible situation worse, by getting ourselves worked up and emotional(which probably only makes Gaga more emotional or simply draws out the situation with her) we should look at these posts as opportunities of support and positive discussion, progressive discussion. 

Edited January 12, 2014 by Cameron1012

[ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,270]

She's losing it lol,  but i love her! It's interesting how shes deviating from tweeting so much to random deep LM posts.....

[Jeff Kunst 0]

All I really see is that suddenly she's not the golden child anymore and her insecurities have manifested themselves into this battle between her innate inferiority complex and her idea that she is above criticism. If not, then when she was praised maybe she could have had more of an attitude like "Why does this matter? Do you love my work because these faceless people praised it, or do you love it because you simply do?"

 

That was explored in the Paparazzi music video, where the media turns on her but in the end they love her again merely because she made a new scandal for them.

 

I honestly don't know where you're getting any of that stuff from what she's actually said. It's all a bunch of outside assumptions imposed on what she's saying. If you assume everything she says is a whiny tantrum then yeah, it looks like a whiny tantrum. So stop assuming that and just read it, ponder it, and/or discuss it.

 

Even when she was the "golden child" there were plenty of people ****ting on her, and has been exploring this stuff since the Paparazzi era.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Jeff Kunst

[ReRe 1,957]

I see no lies.

Glad she wasn't really as cryptic this time :sweat:

[Sister 9,907]

I'll just see how it goes for awhile.

I think she'd do best to let her music and talent start doing all of the talking. This is all overpowering the songs and talent. Gaga is more of a famous personality than musician lately and that doesn't seem like it's what she wanted. I'm not a fan of it either. When Gaga was on top of her game, it was about the songs, the voice and the performances, now it's everything BUT those things.