Akiki 3,900 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I was reading the accusations against him and I noticed that most of them are a bit controversial and strange. More than one time he was caught with an underage girl, but then there was no proof that the girls were underage. I don't know how people can be accused of doing something that can't clearly be proved from the first place. Was the girls that seemed to be underage? I'm not making a case in favor or against him, but it looks so messy from both parts. Or there is something really messy going on or R. Kelly must have someone with a great grudge against him. Also, his marriage with Alayah, what's up with that? She forged her identity to marry him, but then they never talked about it. Like... How hard is to know someone age in america? People are born in hospitals I suppose. I noticed something about an intern that he assaulted or something when she was 17 years. I don't know, but is it normal do have interns that young in the US? Where I live it's not that common since with that age you barely went to college. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish 6,123 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said: Except that as MJ said himself, he would simply let them sleep in his bed (not with them, he would sleep on the floor). There is nothing sexual about giving your bed to someone. When my best friend would visit back in the day, I would let her sleep in my bed and I sleep on the couch. Does that mean I'm having sex with her? im laughing so hard at your posts, youre just interpreting everything to fit your already made up opinion. but really your factual inferences do not hold the test of logic and reason at all. MJ, as an adult, should've known that it was wildly inappropriate to let kids sleep in his bed on so many occasions. Also, the fact that HE, the alleged abuser, said that he was sleeping on the floor, shouldn't be very comforting. In any event, my point was about R. Kelly: living with two women does not necessarily mean that you an abuser. Your assumptions are erroneous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkmanthaC 114,688 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 How often are these girls allowed to see their family and friends? Do they have social media accounts and allowed to interact with others? How old were they when they started dating R. Kelly? (According to the documentary they were underage.) Have they been evaluated by a psychologist? Emotional and psychological abuse is very strange. All things can "appear" normal but not be in actuality. His coughing thing is disturbing. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, nicolasrumet said: People compare this to MJ. What a big difference. In R. Kelly's case you can see guilt all over it. Like who the **** would publicly have 2 girlfriends? Only perverts... Please stop. You're obsessed with MJ. But if you want to go there, these women said they love Kelly. Wasn't that your whole issue with the MJ accusations? Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilMonst3r 5,536 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 49 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said: Except that as MJ said himself, he would simply let them sleep in his bed (not with them, he would sleep on the floor). There is nothing sexual about giving your bed to someone. When my best friend would visit back in the day, I would let her sleep in my bed and I sleep on the couch. Does that mean I'm having sex with her? Your some type of special... Clearly no common sense or judgment of character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This. Is. Sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, Fish said: im laughing so hard at your posts, youre just interpreting everything to fit your already made up opinion. but really your factual inferences do not hold the test of logic and reason at all. MJ, as an adult, should've known that it was wildly inappropriate to let kids sleep in his bed on so many occasions. Also, the fact that HE, the alleged abuser, said that he was sleeping on the floor, shouldn't be very comforting. I never said MJ was a mentally stable adult (who would've known that it's better not to be around children like that). He was mentally unstable. He believed he was a child. He would play hide and seek with his cousins and stuff like that, which is something that adults don't do. But then, because of his mental illness, do we assume that he is a pedophile? My aunt in her 20s suffered from something similar. After the death of my grandfather (and she was very attached to him), she entered a period of shock and trauma, and suddenly started acting like a 6 year old girl, wanting to go to parks, buying toys, watching cartoons etc (according to the psychologist, it was because during that period of her life she had the best memory with her father so her mind wanted to go back to that period)... So I know first hand that it's a psychological disorder, doesn't mean it has to be sexual. Thankfully she recovered afterwards. You are treating him as if he's a mentally stable adult. He clearly isn't. The sole question is whether he is an abuser or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 117,245 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Their body language is strange, I think Azriel cried for help, she really collapsed, she showed fear.. and actually if you notice, they behavior is like if R. Kelly is not there with them, they are lost in the world, they don't know what to do, they are scared of being not depended by him, it's messed up. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish 6,123 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 hours ago, nicolasrumet said: I never said MJ was a mentally stable adult (who would've known that it's better not to be around children like that). He was mentally unstable. He believed he was a child. He would play hide and seek with his cousins and stuff like that, which is something that adults don't do. But then, because of his mental illness, do we assume that he is a pedophile? My aunt in her 20s suffered from something similar. After the death of my grandfather (and she was very attached to him), she entered a period of shock and trauma, and suddenly started acting like a 6 year old girl, wanting to go to parks, buying toys, watching cartoons etc (according to the psychologist, it was because during that period of her life she had the best memory with her father so her mind wanted to go back to that period)... So I know first hand that it's a psychological disorder, doesn't mean it has to be sexual. Thankfully she recovered afterwards. You are treating him as if he's a mentally stable adult. He clearly isn't. The sole question is whether he is an abuser or not. so you agree that trauma can make you do very weird things? including being attached and devoted to your abuser? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, Fish said: so you agree that trauma can make you do very weird things? including being attached and devoted to your abuser? No. Please don't talk like an expert. Go ask a psychologist on whether pedophilia victims can still love their abusers all the way in their 20s and 30s as "straight men", and you'll hear their answers. These guys are married and have children. They're not even gay. So not sure what kind of love you're talking about. So instead of speculating, ask a psychologist. Maybe in the documentary they didn't have any insight from experts for a reason. Also please don't generalize "victims still love abusers". That type of stuff generally applies to families, couples etc... I want to see specific scientific basis for this type of cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonkey 639 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Akiki said: I was reading the accusations against him and I noticed that most of them are a bit controversial and strange. More than one time he was caught with an underage girl, but then there was no proof that the girls were underage. I don't know how people can be accused of doing something that can't clearly be proved from the first place. Was the girls that seemed to be underage? I'm not making a case in favor or against him, but it looks so messy from both parts. Or there is something really messy going on or R. Kelly must have someone with a great grudge against him. Also, his marriage with Alayah, what's up with that? She forged her identity to marry him, but then they never talked about it. Like... How hard is to know someone age in america? People are born in hospitals I suppose. I noticed something about an intern that he assaulted or something when she was 17 years. I don't know, but is it normal do have interns that young in the US? Where I live it's not that common since with that age you barely went to college. There was a rumor that R Kelly thought Aaliyah was pregnant and so management thought by marrying her it would cover up any scandals that he raped her. She probably got hush money and that’s why her mom is not talking. Really wish her mom would speak out, serve justice for Aaliyah. With the intern, a lot of teens can get emancipated before they turn 18, all parents gotta do is sign some papers and there are like summer internship programs for high school students needing extra curricular activities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish 6,123 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, nicolasrumet said: No. Please don't talk like an expert. Go ask a psychologist on whether pedophilia victims can still love their abusers all the way in their 20s and 30s as "straight men", and you'll hear their answers. These guys are married and have children. They're not even gay. So not sure what kind of love you're talking about. So instead of speculating, ask a psychologist. Maybe in the documentary they didn't have any insight from experts for a reason. Also please don't generalize "victims still love abusers". That type of stuff generally applies to families, couples etc... I want to see specific scientific basis for this type of cases. I'm all about diversity of perspectives and different opinions can co-exist, but your intellectual dishonesty is just gross at this point. I really hope you'll be able to be more open-minded and a bit more critical of your own biases someday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Fish said: I'm all about diversity of perspectives and different opinions can co-exist, but your intellectual dishonesty is just gross at this point. I really hope you'll be able to be more open-minded and a bit more critical of your own biases someday. I am open-minded, but I'm just tired of people giving scientific basis to things that don't have a scientific basis. Psychological disorders that make people think differently from their actual age do exist, and it's scientifically proven. All I'm asking for is evidence that it is proven that pedophilia victims continue to love their abusers well through their adulthood in their 20s and their 30s. For sexual abuse in general and people who continue being together, I've seen it happen in couples, in relationships, in families (where you have to forgive because it's your family). But I have yet to see a single instance with scientific basis of someone still loving their pedophile abuser even when they're in their 30s (and aren't even gay), and waking up someday and feeling disgusted by them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishGypsy 921 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 It’s called trauma bonding. Similar to Stockholm Syndrome, in a way. It’s very common for victims to confess abuse and then recant the statements, often repeatedly. It’s been sobering and maddening to witness, that even in this era of #MeToo, it’s all just lip service by supposed advocates of ending sexual abuse. People STILL truly don’t believe the victims, especially not when the perpetrator is a a huge celebrity. We have a very long way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,933 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Stockholm Syndrome much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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