Here's why Leaving Neverland is a lie

[Anveeroy 57,865]

I was raped, I was abused, I was molested by my few men in my past, still, I am not comfortable sharing my story with anyone. As Gaga wrote and sung, "Til it happens to you, you don't know how it feels." 

Someday, I wish I would be able to brave enough to share and to expose. Alas, I am not now. 

@Timmers , Thank you so much for sharing us your traumatizing story. You are stronger than any of us who had the courage to stand up! 

 

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

13 hours ago, Timmers said:

All of your points are addressed in the documentary and this thread makes me physically ill. If you don't want to watch the four hour film, watch the one hour interview with Oprah

Exactly my thoughts, 100% Agree. THANK YOU

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

If protesting fans had actually watched, they would be asking questions as if on redirect, not the same question that would be asked prior to the movie.

At this point it's obvious when someone who is defending MJ has not watched the doc. They give the same old song and dance, in spite of the fact this movie, and also the portion with Oprah, adressed all of the standard objections.

https://gostreams.to/episode/leaving-neverland-season-1-episode-1/

https://gostreams.to/episode/leaving-neverland-season-1-episode-2/

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-winfrey-presents-after-neverland/oprah-winfrey-presents-after-neverland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yp91zKBGgY

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

13 hours ago, derpmonster said:

If this is your whole argument, you're wrong.

Trauma manifests itself in weird and complex ways and just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong. This is possible. Unless you're a psychologist, you can't claim to "debunk" this.

Gaga was in her twenties when she didn't even "know" or realize her experience as a rape. She put that label on it later on.

THIS so much! 

I strongly recommend the book "Brave", an autobiography by actress and activist Rose McGowan. (She was one of the women molested by Harvey Weinstein and one of the first advocates for the "Me Too" movement...) 

[Andy McQueen 4,484]

12 hours ago, Didymus said:

So tired of the "here's a YouTube video to educate you" format here. So embarrassing. You do realize this is sexual abuse we're talking about here, right? You wanna use a fanmade video to battle a four hour exhaustive documentary that you probably haven't even seen? Right.

Finally someone bringing this up. Thank you! 

[misunderstood 8,736]

Yes at this thread

[M i K E Y 7,289]

First of all: I am a very huge Michael Jackson Fan and Even People who were abused (and they know about that) said that they don’t believe Michael Jackson would have done something like this. People were always trying to destroy his reputation as someone who wants to make the world somehow better. Only for fame and money. That’s how this sick world works. As Lady Gaga one said: He died of a broken heart and that’s right. This man is dead and innocence. I can’t believe people still do this to him. 

[ImpossiblePrincess 3,847]

I’d say what I feel but I’d probably get 1928384883 warning points like I did yesterday so whatever anyone can say stuff but the truth anymore, mj is innocent that’s my opinion now if u don’t go reporting me that’d be amazing

[Antoni 5,332]

1 hour ago, Anveeroy said:

I was raped, I was abused, I was molested by my few men in my past, still, I am not comfortable sharing my story with anyone. As Gaga wrote and sung, "Til it happens to you, you don't know how it feels." 

Someday, I wish I would be able to brave enough to share and to expose. Alas, I am not now. 

@Timmers , Thank you so much for sharing us your traumatizing story. You are stronger than any of us who had the courage to stand up! 

 

 

1 hour ago, Andy McQueen said:

Exactly my thoughts, 100% Agree. THANK YOU

Thank you both, and thank you to everyone who reacted to my post. Still very shaken up after watching the documentary last night.

[Chickens in Malibu 7,873]

14 hours ago, derpmonster said:

"It happens every day. It's really scary and it's sad. It didn't affect me as much right after as it did about four or five years later. It hit me so hard. I was so traumatised by it that I was like, 'Just keep going.' Because I just had to get out of there... I wasn't even willing to admit that anything had even happened."

That's not the equivalent of saying that she thought rape was normal (which is what you initially claimed).

That's the effect of trauma. Being traumatized by something and you don't want it to haunt you again, so you try to forget it and stay as away as possible from that memory.

What MJ's accuser did is not exactly that, he kept being around MJ, he kept even working on his shows after he passed away. He praised him repeatedly when he didn't have to. He participated in his VMA tribute. He asked to be in his Cirque Du Soleil show. When MJ's Estate dropped him from the project and he was low on funds, he decided to go public with these allegations.

How does this not sound suspicious to you? And please don't compare this nonsense to Gaga. Gaga didn't go out of her way to praise her rapist for decades until she wanted money.

All I ask is think less with emotions and think more with your brain. Being falsely accused is also a horrible miscarriage of justice. So think about the accused people too.

[Lady Rah Rah 1,945]

Please don't allow this to divide us. I'm all for having your own opinion and backing it up with facts/tea but remember, only Michael and these people know what REALLY went down. This documentary, although deals a lot of information, will ultimately make the doc makers a LOT of money. I really hope that if these people ARE telling the truth, they find peace one day. And if they're not, may they forever live with the guilt of lying about such a huge accusation. 

[That J 12,166]

Its important to remember how old these kids were ...or how young they were. Combine that with the magical whirlwind life of fame, fans, being waited on, a legend such as Michael Jackson. That's hard for a 40 year old to comprehend much less a 9 year old. 

I watched the documentary and I can see all sides. Of course I dont want to think Jackson did these things but I dont know for sure. While it's TRUE he never had a childhood and perhaps in his mind he was just playing around and he felt like a kid himself....that is still no excuse IF these allegations are true. 

Watching it all unfold in real time back in the day, I SWORE he was innocent. It just felt like it to me. Seeing the documentary, I have some doubts. That doesnt change what his music was or anything like that to me. 

A difference between him and R Kelly when it comes to music is how Kelly's music is nearly ALL sexual in nature while Michael had more to say. So it's easier for me to separate that with Michael. 

As for the kids saying they love him. Until it happens to you...

I have hugged the neck of my abuser many years after the abuse finally ended. There are times I get angry, times I get upset...it never leaves you. And that's ok. I forgave him because forgiveness is for ME. I forgive him but I do not forgive IT, the action. 

Theres no words to describe what such abuse does to the young mind and how it affects your life whether you forgive or not. So, I cant judge these men. If this is their truth as they see it to be then that is allowed. 

Bottom line? We will never know what happened.  

[derpmonster 22,412]

3 hours ago, nicolasrumet said:

That's not the equivalent of saying that she thought rape was normal (which is what you initially claimed).

That's the effect of trauma. Being traumatized by something and you don't want it to haunt you again, so you try to forget it and stay as away as possible from that memory.

I did not say she thought rape was normal. I said she thought "that's just how adults are" and that what happened was normal - i.e. It wasn't rape. She started thinking of it as rape later on. 

Stop acting like an expert on trauma when you're not a psychologist. Different people experience trauma in different ways. It's not just about forgetting. I never forgot anything that happened to me and yet have experienced different effects of trauma. 

You have been given evidence for trauma survivors "loving" their abusers but you refuse to see it. 

[Chickens in Malibu 7,873]

3 hours ago, Lady Rah Rah said:

Please don't allow this to divide us. I'm all for having your own opinion and backing it up with facts/tea but remember, only Michael and these people know what REALLY went down. This documentary, although deals a lot of information, will ultimately make the doc makers a LOT of money. I really hope that if these people ARE telling the truth, they find peace one day. And if they're not, may they forever live with the guilt of lying about such a huge accusation. 

And this is the problem. The monetization of #MeToo movement.

I wish this kind of investigations were done by independent journalists who aren't seeking money out of it,with some insight from psychologists and other expert testimonies.

This documentary isn't doing any of that. Its main goal is to generate a lot of buzz with shocking accusations, and make a lot of money.

 

[Economy 46,983]

18 hours ago, Adakam said:

Just answer one thing, what if he is in fact lying and made everything up? What if I dont like you, I decide to accuse you of sexual abuse to ruin your life or to get money from you?

I always say this in general cases where there's no proof because the whole #metoo movement is a double edged sword

 

On the one hand it encourages people to speak out and come forward and also encourages emotional support etc and not just brush off a victims trauma...

 

But on the other hand there's individuals taking the "we believe them" thing too far where without proof they'd be ready to throw in the supposed abuser in jail or think completely different on the individual without giving them a benefit of the doubt

 

I am generalizing tho I'm not talking about MJ specifically. I have no seen the documentary yet nor have I really followed past accusations/court cases so I don't really have an opinion on MJ as of right now