Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Good. People always say one should "seperate art from artist" but this is rarely possible with serious issues and associations like this. Can I "enjoy" Hitler's paintings with the knowledge he killed millions of people in the most cruel ways? ****, no. Same for R. Kelly, Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstein etc. ... This whole Celebrity Culture, Fan Obsessions and Personality Cult needs finally an end and has to "die". People are just not good as idols, they are too fallible and complex as human beings to be put on a pedestral for idealization and glorification. Gandhi was a racist and sexist. Albert Einstein controlled his wife and had many misogynistic ressements. Mother Theresa was a christian fundamentalist, refused painkillers and medication to her patients and backed a lot of money meant for charity for herself. Humans are not black and white but their "fans" nor their "haters" rarely are able to differentiate well... Just like when people tend to demonize artists and stars like Gaga completly one-sided, the other way around isn't any good or rational either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swakby 4,100 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I've been watching the internet and the media try to balance between these allegation and his icon status and it couldn't be more awkward. The truth is, I feel uncomfortable discussing this simply because I have no idea whether to believe the supposed victims or not. I wasn't there so I can't say anything for sure. My issue at this point is whether the media will devalue his impact on popular culture. I personally am torn about whether it is ok for radios to play his songs from now on. I guess what this messy comment is trying to say is that I feel uncomfortable from the whole situation. I would like to enjoy his songs in the future but I'm not sure if I will be able to, both because of the shifting media perception towards him and my personal beliefs as a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Watch the documentary as I did and then claim again he is "innocent". You really think all the descriptions, all the emotions are just faked and lies and their whole families "act" as well? Besides all the other proofs: https://www.mjfacts.com/ Even if he "just" manipulated them mentally (which the audio recordings proof and the rings he bought to "marry" James with his vows etc., all the faxes with the "I love you"s are his hand writing etc.) that is already messed and f*cked up enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahYuko 1,002 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Is this a bad time to bring up the fact that Gaga owns a couple of MJ's stage costumes and stuff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,436 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Where can I watch the documentary from Europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,718 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, tomsches said: Where can I watch the documentary from Europe? The documentary is airing tonight and tomorrow at 9pm UK time on Channel 4. I am sure there will be a live feed of this somewhere if you're based outside of the UK. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 15,364 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 What’s the benefit of this documentary when he’s been dead for 10 years and he went through not one, but two trials and no concrete rveidence was still ever found??? Like this should’ve died when he did. RIP British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,718 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, TEANUS said: What’s the benefit of this documentary when he’s been dead for 10 years and he went through not one, but two trials and no concrete rveidence was still ever found??? Like this should’ve died when he did. RIP The only benefit is money. It could be argued that it has the purpose of raising awareness or freeing other 'victims' for their silence - but that isn't applicable here. There have been countless opportunities for 'victims' to come forward, and no one of any credibility has ever spoken up. Why? Because it's all totally fake. The documentary paints Michael as a serial sex offender. It's sure odd that only a handful of boys have ever come forward then. And it's even odder that each of those victims are dubious at best. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 15,364 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, OMonster said: The only benefit is money. It could be argued that it has the purpose of raising awareness or freeing other 'victims' for their silence - but that isn't applicable here. There have been countless opportunities for 'victims' to come forward, and no one of any credibility has ever spoken up. Why? Because it's all totally fake. The documentary paints Michael as a serial sex offender. It's sure odd that only a handful of boys have ever come forward then. And it's even odder that each of those victims are dubious at best. Yeah it just seems fishy to me this is all coming now with the tenth anniversary of his death rolling around. Its like the people who were always after him during his lifetime are still at work British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChromeAngel 3,230 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 For some reason I truly believe he’s innocent. He’s one strange man for sure, but that’s what happens to children after theyre abused. its certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for fame and fortune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattys 4,319 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 59 minutes ago, TEANUS said: What’s the benefit of this documentary when he’s been dead for 10 years and he went through not one, but two trials and no concrete rveidence was still ever found??? Like this should’ve died when he did. RIP LMAO , what about justice? Truth? Universal human rights? Raising awareness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,718 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kattys said: LMAO , what about justice? Truth? Universal human rights? Raising awareness? Michael faced justice throughout his life - both overly and covertly. He's been arrested, he's been trialled and he's been investigated by the FBI for an entire decade. The truth is not subjective. It is not moral. The truth is legal, objective and provable facts. If we live in a world where 'truth' is hearsay, then the world becomes a dangerous place for us all. If someone wants to accuse Gaga of sexual assault, for example, and there's no 'solid' evidence either way - that's it, she's over. And as for raising awareness, this story does not need awareness. Michael is one of the most known 'potential' sex offenders. 'Child molester' and 'Michael Jackson' have been, unfortunately, synonymous for decades. This documentary raises no awareness - the awareness is alive and kicking... evidenced, most upsettingly, by Michael's own torture and eventual death. There has been truth, there has been justice and there has been, and will always be, awareness. This documentary leads to nothing but money. And that says it all. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattys 4,319 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 To anyone saying "why the victims spoke so late" or "why they were lying and now telling a different story" or "why are they speaking up now" need to play this: 2:45 LEARN HOW THE TRAUMA WORKS EDUCATE YOURSELF before you speak bullshit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzGa 14,621 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Why does this make me so sad when I didn't have a problem with radios muting R. Kelly? Will they boycott all Dr. Luke productions next? At least it's just one radio station. They have the right to spin and not spin whoever they want. My old cat is a tough man, but i cant deny the way he bites my hand and he stabs me, he grabs me by my heart <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster4life231 4,304 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I will continue to listen to MJ's music and believe in his innocence. If people don't want to listen to it, that's fine with me, it's your loss. spread peace - #MJInnocent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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