Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Nuff' said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Further proofs: https://www.mjfacts.com/michael-jacksons-fbi-file-more-inappropriate-behavior-with-boys/ https://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/ https://www.mjfacts.com/was-child-****ography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/ https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/10-undeniable-facts-about-the-michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-allegations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItWasntLaauv 6,392 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Accusations aside, can we agree that the activities he partaked in with kids were bizzare? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Agree with her: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p072ky4x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borislshere 53,084 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, ItWasntLaauv said: Accusations aside, can we agree that the activities he partaked in with kids were bizzare? This. I can handle the whole Neverland thing and liking kids activities. Hell I wouldn’t turn down having my own Disneyland in my backyard but sleeping with kids and writing love letters?? No ma’am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RahrahWitch 6,985 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 My only knowledge on this is that he was cleared of all charges before but we know he did have an obsession with young boys. I'll have to watch the Doc and then the Youtube Video in his defense before making an opinion on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio 5,088 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Didymus said: I never claimed there was proof. I'm just suggesting that most of the people running to his defense would probably not be so tolerant if they knew of a random neighborhood guy doing the same stuff as Michael. We will never know for sure if Michael was guilty or not tbh. I just wish the super fans will get off their high horse and admit that too some day. Us fans just don't believe he is a predator because the evidence dont add up lol, nothing do with a high horse. We may never know, but it's not hard to see his innocence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens in Malibu 7,873 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Didymus said: 4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings. 6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there. Regarding point 4, you see this is what's tough about MJ's accusation, they seem credible on the face of it, the more you delve into the evidence, the more you think there's something off and the more you think he may be innocent: https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/26/did-jordan-chandlers-description-of-michael-jacksons-penis-match-the-photographs-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/ Regarding point 6, that claim was shut down in court as the court did not believe that art work was "erotic material". They were books and such... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imwoahvicky 4,248 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said: Regarding point 4, you see this is what's tough about MJ's accusation, they seem credible on the face of it, the more you delve into the evidence, the more you think there's something off and the more you think he may be innocent: https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/26/did-jordan-chandlers-description-of-michael-jacksons-penis-match-the-photographs-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/ Regarding point 6, that claim was shut down in court as the court did not believe that art work was "erotic material". They were books and such... this is why we don't take things like cheap VanityFair "facts" as facts without at least digging deeper into what ACTUALLY happened and the case revolved around it, that link clears up a lot of things ⚜ Roll Deep ⚜ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pray4FameGa 3,141 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, ZiggyZiggs said: im just trying to understand where all this energy was when her 'bestie' harvey pigstein was accused by basically every famous actress in hollywood of sexual assault. she didn't say a damn thing about him before the accusations, and Seal said she's known about it for YEARS and ofc she did, it was an open secret. and the things that monique has said about her being a bully. this doc was no 'surviving r.kelly' which had lots and lots of evidence, this so far is basically all talk, i need facts, i need evidence You know I’ve always had my reservations with Oprah Winfrey. Always felt she’s fake and status obsessed, and there’s little substance behind her. Yes she’s a good interviewer / presenter, I’ll give her that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyboi12 2,125 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, malazam said: Yeah but this is false How do you know that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,905 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Didymus said: The NYT also wrote a good article on it. This passage is quite interesting: "based on [Oprah's] conversation with Reed, Robson and Safechuck, it’s clear her perception of Jackson has shifted. Winfrey explained at the beginning of the taping that she reached out to Reed after watching the documentary, and told him that he had done “in four hours what I tried to do in 217 episodes” dedicated to educating her audience about sexual abuse." Source About credibility: it's pretty funny to me. I mean, what credibility to those hundreds of angry fans have compared to these "accusers"? None. Most of them didn't know Michael, most of them haven't watched the documentary and probably won't, all while trying to crap all over the people who made this film, which is getting praise for being professional, unsensationalist, serious and educational from just about everyone who did see it. Also, just because Michael is dead doesn't mean we can't question his past. That has nothing to do with respect or whatever. Why on earth would it be respectful to ignore claims of sexual abuse to protect the feelings of others? At this point the "accusers" can't win any case anymore, they can't earn money off this, they can't do anything but share their story, false or not. There will be absolutely no consequences, except that more people will be aware of how sexual abuse happens, in what patterns, and with what consequences, and how Michael's behavior (whether he sexually abused someone or not) was problematic to say the least, and should not be romanticized just because he was talented. That's not a bad thing imo. Even his fans are not saying that hid behavior was appropriate, though. Most people identify that his behavior was abnormal and inappropriate, but draw a line distinguishing inappropriate from downright illegal and inhumane. And, frankly, credibility should be consideration here. It's important to believe victims, but in this particular case, we know the parents had coached them at one point, we know that they flipped their testimony over the years. Reasons for this can be made for either side of the argument. We can say that they're liars seeking money or that they've been working through serious trauma over the years. We also know that there was a fairly extensive investigation where police planted some salacious materials in order to paint the picture in a harsher light. Simply put, this is a VERY abnormal case and the standard behavior of saying, "oh believe the victim unequivocally" is a difficult line to tout when there's so much baggage with this story. It's also worth noting that, as informative as it may be, a documentary still has a story to tell. There is an angle it aims to tell a story through. The very basic fact that it presented no new evidence or revelations should be interesting enough from anyone who follows this case. This is drastically different from the R. Kelly situation where there was hoards of evidence for years. This one is much more deeply cloaked in muddled details and hearsay. All we can definitively say is that Michael's behavior with children was wildly inappropriate and was something afforded to him because of his celebrity and by parents abdicating their responsibilities. The rest, given what we know, is difficult to arrive at conclusively. Even if we'd like to say his behavior probably indicates that he molested these kids, we just simply don't know and credibility is very much something that effects this case given its history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,905 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Andy McQueen said: Nuff' said. But this is VERY different from that. Michael Jackson was the biggest celebrity in the world, not just some Joe Schmo in the neighborhood. He was a very weird person or "gentle" as people affectionate to him would say. I have no clue whether he did it or not, but this is not even a remotely comparable situation. Plus, consider you *were* innocent and things had been dragged out as much as they had been already. Your home raided, your body groped by police, all reported on in lies and truth in the media. An innocent man (who was very private btw) may make the pay out just to make it go away and stop. Or he might have done it for the reason this post implies. Again, this specific case I don't find very comparable given just how enormous it was. It changes things completely. There's plainly no precedent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malazam 15,710 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Andy McQueen said: Further proofs: https://www.mjfacts.com/michael-jacksons-fbi-file-more-inappropriate-behavior-with-boys/ https://www.mjfacts.com/items-found-in-1993-pedophile-books-and-naked-photos/ https://www.mjfacts.com/was-child-****ography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/ https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/10-undeniable-facts-about-the-michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-allegations MJ received THOUSANDS of things in mail, most of it was never even opened, it was all stored. After the allegations of course trash people would send him that. Even the authorities that found those things knew it was from mailing. There are some people actually speaking out, abuse survivors as well, in MJ defense and that they know and MJ knew about pedos in Hollywood and was speaking to the authorities before all the scandal started I’m not saying that it to shut him up but even tho I don’t like conspiracy theories this one actually can be true. He was chased from his childhood and papers made millions trying to take him down, he was the biggest celebrity to walk ever walk on earth and as Gaga says, -social- media is a toilet, back then, of society. Dont want to sound like a crazy mooonwalker but I truly believe in his innocence, this was just another way to try to destroy his life. Spoiler MJ was really powerful and famous, he was the aim for scandals and people trying to make $$$. He was declared not guilty, some accusers even said they lied, a parent of one committed suicide because of the lies he told, passed polygraphs, and settled one in fear of the media finally finding the way to end his career. He knew a lot about Hollywood. He knew a lot in general, 9/11 (he walked out and got a era destroyed), (H1N1, someone believe this why he was actually killed) another shot before we kiss the other side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malazam 15,710 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Borislshere said: This. I can handle the whole Neverland thing and liking kids activities. Hell I wouldn’t turn down having my own Disneyland in my backyard but sleeping with kids and writing love letters?? No ma’am. Michael when asked said that yes, he slept with the kid in discussion. He slept. The kid on the bed and MJ on the floor. People is just sick and take things out of context; that kid wouldn’t leave Michael alone, and would always ask to sleepover at Neverland. another shot before we kiss the other side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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