Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/households-debt-to-gdp Total Consumer debt in these 6 Nations is higher than the entire Nations annual economic output. Debt such as mortgages, car loans, student loans, credit cards etc Countries with exceptionally high consumer debt are at the highest risks of financial meltdowns such as what happened to the United States in 2007/2008 1. Switzerland: 128.8% of GDP 2. Australia: 121.3% of GDP 3. Denmark: 117% of GDP 4. Netherlands: 103.6% of GDP 5. Norway: 101.4% of GDP 6 Canada: 100.2% of GDP Other major economies by comparison: UK: 86.3% of GDP USA: 76.6% of GDP France: 59.1% of GDP Japan: 57.4% of GDP Germany: 52.5% of GDP Italy: 41% of GDP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malazam 15,710 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I wasn’t expecting that list at all. another shot before we kiss the other side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 @Luc @Lord Temptation Your Countries got me beat Tho these rankings vary slightly depending on what exactly is factored in I know for private sector debt (so including companies) Australia was the worst in the world and then Canada was second worst But interestingly, most of these Nations with high consumer debt in turn have low government debt. Im curious on your perspective why that tends to be the case @Woolfsmck These nations I listed at the bottom like Italy and Japan and USA with lower consumer debt have way higher government debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunir 7,510 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I don't know a lot about economy, so bear with me if I sound stupid Weren't those 6 countries basically left unscathed by the financial crisis back in 2008/2009? Countries like Greece, Spain and Portugal are struggling to this day to recover from it, whereas the ones listed recovered from it quite quickly (if they needed any recovery at all) and are one of the richest countries in the world EDIT: Mess, completely missed the part where we're talking about consumer debt and not government debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckles 2,549 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Economy said: @Luc @Lord Temptation Your Countries got me beat Tho these rankings vary slightly depending on what exactly is factored in I know for private sector debt (so including companies) Australia was the worst in the world and then Canada was second worst But interestingly, most of these Nations with high consumer debt in turn have low government debt These nations I listed at the bottom line Italy and Japan and USA with lower cost sumer debt have way higher government debt I was just about to ask what are the factors considered for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorcerer 12,526 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'm expecting low income countries to get here. I guess many people in wealthy nations spend too much, like in the US last decade. I hope they fix this quickly because a financial meltdown from these nations will greatly affect other countries as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Just now, malazam said: I wasn’t expecting that list at all. These countries mostly avoided the severe downturn of 2008 and so banks kept lending and people kept borrowing in Nations like these Because banks kept lending and interest rates were lowered to fight any effect of recession some of these Countries that escaped most of the recession ended up with surging real-estate prices and exploding consumer debt Canada, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia, Netherlands on this list all have had real estate prices go way up and also consumers binge on debt Some other Countries like Finland and Sweden had similar issues although I guess not quite bad enough to be above 100% of their GDP Countries that did poorly in recession like USA, Italy for example actually had debt levels fall because real-estate prices fell and also banks reduced lending meant consumers were paying off more debt than they were borrowing Interestingly tho, most of these Nations with high consumer debt have low Government debt (Canada & Australia in particular have very low government debt).... But countries with low consumer debt on this list have a lot of government debt It's like they work in reverse to one another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Just now, Curunir said: I don't know a lot about economy, so bear with me if I sound stupid Weren't those 6 countries basically left unscathed by the financial crisis back in 2008/2009? Countries like Greece, Spain and Portugal are struggling to this day to recover from it, whereas the ones listed recovered from it quite quickly (if they needed any recovery at all) and are one of the richest countries in the world Yes. Finland and Sweden also mostly unscathed and they have high consumer debt as well What happened is in these countries banks didn't stop lending and real-estate didn't get the kind of correction most of the world got and prices kept going up While in most Nations consumers were forced to focus on repaying loans or put off buying houses etc because credit was tight... In Nations that avoided the worse of the financial crisis the spending sprees continued and there was no correction... And because rates have stayed low the debt has continued to pile on the last few years to gigantic proportions Here's something to put it into perspective how bad it's gotten in some of these countries In USA in 2007 before the crash consumer debt averaged 134% of disposable income. In Canada right now and in much of northern Europe by comparison consumer debt is over 170% of disposable income way worse than it ever got in the US Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, LabCoatDude said: I'm expecting low income countries to get here. I guess many people in wealthy nations spend too much, like in the US last decade. I hope they fix this quickly because a financial meltdown from these nations will greatly affect other countries as well. Nations that do well ironically tend to also have a more leveraged economy with it Countries that are doing poorly tend to have less lending and credit available also people tend to be more cautious as well due to bad economy even if credit is available to them Sometimes there's exceptions but this is how it tends to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chuckles said: I was just about to ask what are the factors considered for this This is household debt. So mortgages, car loans, student debt, credit card debt etc I saw a list recently for private sector debt so it included all of this but also debt from Companies as well and on that list Australia was the worst and then Canada was #2 but the other 6 more or less were also the worst on that list as well only the order was slightly different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reject False Icons 4,966 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 So I don't know much about economy but I'm glad to be learning in ggd. I have a question indeed These numbers and some others could indicate that some countries are a time bomb that will inevitably explode or it's uncertain to know that precisely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,997 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dream Rider said: So I don't know much about economy but I'm glad to be learning in ggd. I have a question indeed These numbers and some others could indicate that some countries are a time bomb that will inevitably explode or it's uncertain to know that precisely Time will tell. Not all bubbles burst some can deflate If conditions are just right sometimes big imbalances can gradually correct rather than cause a sudden crash But it's hard to know what will happen before it happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,694 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 That typical "all Switzerland peoples are wealthy af" notion are now crushed (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ✧*:・゚ ˢᵖᵉᵉᵈ ᵃⁿᵈ ʷᵉⁱᵍʰᵗ (*´艸`*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyBabe 22,836 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 @Teal Ambition Tell your country to get its sh*t together. ⚯͛ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinTrudeau 2,419 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Dang, I didn't expect this list. But Canadians do spend a lot of money and drive themselves into debt. I fell down the stairs once as an actor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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