Didymus 34,379 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 43 minutes ago, uo111 said: I think this quote does show that she was a dark time, because that's an incredibly unhealthy view of a relationship, which should be based on love and respect. Thanks for posting it, I do remember that quote and it's one of the reasons I've always resisted the rape reading. As she very clearly implies: the song is sexually empowering, as are literally all the songs on the first half of ARTPOP. That's why I disagree with your take on things. Throughout that first half of ARTPOP I actually see a very detailed and intelligently crafted narrative about love. That narrative starts with Venus as love in its pure, cosmic form to G.U.Y. where that boundless love is deformed by insatiable desire (which Himeros classically represents). Love now has an object, and love is thereby objectified (clearly seen in the lyric "I wanna be the grave and earth you") and made mortal. The consequences of her lust for power replacing her boundless love in Venus are clear ("Mars' warring spirit") in Sexxx Dreams: desire interferes with her relationship and her love/desire becomes gross, material and chaotic, as well as destructive. Crucially, her position of power changes (reflecting the lyrically addressed shift from a female star sign to a male one), initiating a second "phase" if you will: she becomes subservient to men in JND and MANiCURE and, of course, DWUW and Swine (all of these are about male desire, opposing the dominance of female desire in the first phase of the record), the latter signifying the complete failure of love to manifest, resulting in sexual abuse. After that, Gaga seeks fulfillment in fame, fashion and drugs (biographically confirmed, and obviously functioning as symbolizing complete and total materiality) and everything explodes in Dope. It's only with Gypsy that Gaga rediscovers love, and it's so clear from the lyrics and the way she's talked about it that it represents a healthy relationship in which neither partner tries to control or dominate the other (the opposite of G.U.Y. etc., thus completing the story and redeeming Venus as unifier of male and female essences, as is her function in mythology: this is what allows Gaga to read songs like G.U.Y. and DWUW in an empowering manner even though she arranged them as markers of decline in a narrative sense). Many fans have made fun of my interpretation but I believe it's solid and Gaga, like it or not, described ARTPOP as a chapter-by-chapter story that she wrote intentionally. It's a story about identity and love, lost and reclaimed, in a new partner (Taylor) and her fans. So yeah, I agree that DWUW represents a more unhealthy phase in that process but imo Gaga corrected it by putting it in a narrative that ultimately is focused in a healthy ideal of romance, in Gypsy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 @Glamourpuss You'll like the above post Seeing more than surface level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Babylon 2,774 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 that Didymus gurl lost it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, Didymus said: Aw thanks, man. I respect you and your opinion tremendously so I’m glad you don’t think of me as a troll as, apparently, some do I do need to work on my delivery though, clearly I really wasn’t trying to gun for Gaga here, I’m still a little confused about why people think I was... When I joined GGD early in 2013, for a moment I thought you were a troll. But I quickly learned that you're a person who tells it like it is in your opinion and doesn't mince words or sugarcoat things. People just need to get used to your delivery, and on your part a few "imo"s wouldn't hurt. Back then I even asked someone if you're a hater. I was told no, he's not, you just need to get used to how he puts things. OT: Whatever Gaga was thinking then or now, I believe her intentions were good. Meanness is not in her character and she wouldn't use trickery to hurt someone. She really is a person who lives a life of helping people, not tearing them down. Her problem is that lyrics that are meant to help or speak out about a social situation are so misunderstood. Once, a fan said her lyrics are so literal, and Gaga responded, of course they're literal, they're very literal (those are the words as best I can remember). I almost fell off my chair when she said that. I was thinking, they may be literal to Gaga, but not to many people. I think that has been a big problem of hers over the years; her words in interviews, in public, on stage, and in lyrics, are worded in a way that can be misunderstood. Haters and the media take advantage of that. Imo, Gaga is one person who needs to work on her delivery, and I hope she does because I want the world to realize what a good, kind person she is. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaGoesGaga 2,133 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Its At 107 on Canadian iTunes!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laladin 295 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Get dat promo for your duet version xtina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Filters 36 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 We stan and support HA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,672 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I'm wondering if we should thank the OGH for pushing this story? Turns out LG is getting so much good press for her move. Thanks guys! Just playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Why is it always the same person making negative comments constantly trying to prove that their opinion is fact (though it’s an opinion) & more valid than everyone else’s? Like sweety, get a hobby or something. Sitting at your computer arguing all day trying to prove yourself right & have the last word ain’t good for that body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Didymus said: @Glamourpuss You'll like the above post Seeing more than surface level Haha you're right. I actually read that before I saw this and was like wow I need to quote him and sing his praises. That's what I'm talking about! And you totally surprised me. Thank you for writing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I'm happy that Christina posted support for Gaga. Christina is a good person and deserves to be taken for her word. I do not think there is any ulterior motive to her support of Gaga. I hope more entertainers come out to support Gaga. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Gracious Gaga said: Somebody that got waaay to much time on they hands . I came back here and I was blown away that b*tch was still going , almost 6 hours later and what’s funny is she was the one who posted on the second page “y’all gonna sit here and argue about the meaning behind these lyrics” or something- and she turned out being the one sitting here ALL DAY 9 pages later arguing about it To be fair, I appreciate a fan like that rather than one who just responds with yaaassss and has nothing else to add. I might not get along with @Didymusmost of the time but I love the fact there's somebody else here who looks into Gaga's art with more depth and takes the time to write replies that have substance. I don't think it's fair to drag him/her like his. I know he/she can come across a bit harsh at times that makes people think they are trolling. But at least he/she has original thoughts that aren't copied and pasted from somebody else and I like that. Lmao @ me all you want but you're just proving my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,374 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Didymus said: Weird. How could she have known it was about sexual predators though lol, there's like nothing in the lyrics to suggest that. Anyway, good milking of the situation, Xtina. Continue with your fake ass feminism, look-at-our-tits-but-don't-look-at-our-tits Fall in Line style Edit: Read my next page explanation first before you @ me. (No one in 2013 interpreted that song as being related to sexual predators. That song is 100% about the media and there is no subtext about sexual predators whatsoever. Gaga explained that lyric herself with reference to the cover art which was a statement against Kim K selling her body to the press. Xtina's "you may have had my body" reinterpretation is bs, the whole point of that era was to give her body to the press (hence, the video), it wasn't a retrospect thing. Anyway, whatever. Smart of her to share in Gaga's moment but to me it's really tasteless.) Well, they could engage in a conversation which Gaga could explain it to Christina. Like, duh, now we know the true intention of the song is to rage about her rape trauma experience, BUT of course she can't explain it that way, she's still traumatized, not clear-headed enough, so she had to hide it behind "f*** the media" message, which also relevant and works with her condition when she's criticized for being fat. But now with Gaga's explanation, and obvious leaked shots of the video, it was clear that she meant to depict her rape trauma in a provocative way and shout to her rapist that they can do whatever with her in the past but they cannot own her mind and her heart, as an encouragement to her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Babylon 2,774 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Gracious Gaga said: Somebody that got waaay to much time on they hands . I came back here and I was blown away that b*tch was still going , almost 6 hours later and what’s funny is she was the one who posted on the second page “y’all gonna sit here and argue about the meaning behind these lyrics” or something- and she turned out being the one sitting here ALL DAY 9 pages later arguing about it IKR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 7,448 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 During this 'mess' I saw many people misreading/misinterpreting this song as if 'do what u want with my body' is an ode to sexuality. These dumbass haters did not take the pains to read the entire lyrics and especially the line 'you can't have my heart and you won't use my mind but...' And lots of love to Christina! Thank you, to you too, for doing the right thing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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