Game Of Thrones S8 | Finale

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3 hours ago, Lazz Monster said:

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Well, if that indeed happens, that will be obviously the writers wanting the public to start hating on Dany, cuz Jon never once demonstrated that he wants to be a king, now just because he finds out his true parents, suddenly all his wants and desires will change? i'm sorry but no, that shouldn't happen, if it happens because Dany fuc*ed up, it will feel extremely forced

 

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That wouldn't be forced at all actually. Because Jon is just like Ned. Ned didn't want to be hand of the king but did it anyway. Jon didn't want to be king in the nord but did it anyway. Jon will see it  as his duty to be king even of he doesn't want to. I think eventually neither Jon or Dany will end up on the throne but their child will tbh

 

[A Hybrid 11,049]

Idk if this should be put in spoilers but Sansa and Tyrion will rule together, although I want Cersei to win because that’s the most logical outcome

[Glittertinks 12,431]

I saw the episode yesterday and I finally have time to write down a few thoughts!

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The first episode was pretty "neutral" if you ask me, which I actually liked. It provided after the long break a overview of where characters are, what their goals and plans are etc. and of course it set the stage for the things to come. I really appreciate that from a storytelling standpoint.

I have read a bunch of posts about what you wrote about Dany's storyline and I have to say I find it currently pretty logical of what is going on with her. She was always surrounded by people she could keep under control with brute force because it was a different culture. She was always told what great queen she is and all that jazz. Rarely there was critique and even then - what did she use? brute force to keep it under control.
She then comes to Westeros and expects that she can do the same here. But there is much more political stuff going on, because Westeros is a different culture and a little bit better developed than Essos at that point. Everything she does on the grounds of Westeros will have a big consequence sooner or later. Suddenly how she handled the things become problematic. I would be more worried if she would just be able to go on without any of these problems.
At this point, I am sure when she finds out who Jon truly is, this could indeed send her down in a madness spiral. People do not trust her, Jon has a much better claim to the throne and basically all of this ruins her plans and what people have told her for years. Dany will come crashing down from her high horse, or in her case, her high dragon.

Also, the Sansa debate: She is currently the only one thinking about the people, which should be essential for a king or queen. If you watched the video I shared a few days ago, there was a part where GRRM said that Tolkien did not care what Aragorn's tax policy was and it's just reminder that these kind of things just matter in Westeros - and it's what Sansa is currently doing, which is actually a big step forward in her Character who before **** went down as only thinking about herself. Sansa still doesn't get the credit she deserves, as others mentioned before me, she has a lot of reasons to mistrust Dany at the current point (the same goes for Arya).
She did spill some tea through. How should they feed thousands of people from different armies, how do they feed dragons? What do they eat? (They eat the stock of the people). Did Jon bend the knee for the Realm or because he is in love?

Other things from the episode I liked:
- I loved the Arya x Gendry x Hound reunion. Maybe we might see something develop between Arya and Gendry. Remember, both of them are supposed like Lyanna and Robert. That would be a nice note.
- The Umber child getting turned into a Walker. That was a nice moment.
- Sansa and Tyrion reunion. I would love it if they would stay fond of each other
- Samwell. I felt so sorry for him when Dany told him what she did.

Things I did not like:
- The CGI in that episode was kinda bad, you could notice that a lot of stuff was CGI this time. I am not used to that from GoT. But I guess it's because they might have focused on other heavy CGI scenes later this season...
- Theon saving Yara? That happened so fast and I am sad that they fridged Yara by putting her back to her home. I still have a bit of hope that she will come back, although I don't think it might happen.

Some other thoughts:
- I had multiple scenes where I was like "I have a bad feeling about this", I just had the general feeling that things this season might not go down as we all thought or the best theories say.
- Bran was giving me creepy vibes. I really wanna know what his plan is...
- I have seen after this episode for the first time, that people link the spiral of the Night King to the Targaryen symbol? (and it indeed looks alike) I definitely have to find more theories about that (throw me at them if you have some)

Well, that's it

 

[Smithy 2,332]

Are y’all spoiler tags actual spoilers or just discussing the ep?

 

if it’s the latter why are they in spoilers after the ep has aired?  I’m scared to click anything in here

[RAMROD 109,063]

7 minutes ago, Smithy said:

Are y’all spoiler tags actual spoilers or just discussing the ep?

The latter.

Some people are just sensitive with brand new informations. that's all 

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3 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

The latter.

Some people are just sensitive with brand new informations. that's all 

That’s kinda dumb  what if someone posts a legit spoiler 

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Just now, Smithy said:

That’s kinda dumb  what if someone posts a legit spoiler 

sksks, in that case, they need to put a warning before spoiler tab, like, in ALL CAPS

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5 hours ago, Varys said:

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That wouldn't be forced at all actually. Because Jon is just like Ned. Ned didn't want to be hand of the king but did it anyway. Jon didn't want to be king in the nord but did it anyway. Jon will see it  as his duty to be king even of he doesn't want to. I think eventually neither Jon or Dany will end up on the throne but their child will tbh

 

the difference is, there was never a better candidate for Hand or King in the North. Now Jon knows there is a better candidate for King (or Queen), he knows she will be a just ruler, it would make no sense for him to be someone he clearly doesn't wanna be, when there is a person that wants to be it, and would be good at it

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10 minutes ago, Lazz Monster said:

the difference is, there was never a better candidate for Hand or King in the North. Now Jon knows there is a better candidate for King (or Queen), he knows she will be a just ruler, it would make no sense for him to be someone he clearly doesn't wanna be, when there is a person that wants to be it, and would be good at it

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Except Sam just told him she executed his Father and Brother mercilessly, so that would cast doubt in his mind of how just of a ruler she would be.

 

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Just now, ArtyRoberto said:

Except Sam just told him she executed his Father and Brother mercilessly, so that would cast doubt in his mind of how just of a ruler she would be.

it wasn't mercilessly, even he says he executed ppl be4, it was the same thing, he'll probably ask her what happened. i don't think this will be an issue

[thatfoxyfeeling 13,003]

I got a theory on the Night King, it's a reach but anything can happen at this point and the foreshadowing for the Northerners not liking Daenerys...

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Night King wants Daenerys to be his Queen and she'll accept her fate when she finds out Jon is actually a Targaryen and the true heir to the Iron Throne. Melisandre knew this would happen, that's why she said about bringing Ice & Fire together. She wasn't talking about Jon/Aegon and Daenerys, she was talking about Night King & Daenerys. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Lazz Monster said:

it wasn't mercilessly, even he says he executed ppl be4, it was the same thing, he'll probably ask her what happened. i don't think this will be an issue

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I know what you're saying but I think that scene was deliberately set up as the starting point for Daenerys' descent into madness. 

There was a time when she would feel remorse. I know a ruler has to be tough but she's showing zero remorse and I think her punishments are only going to get harsher. 

Jon is a good example of a leader because he doesn't punish for the sake of punishment, he uses logic and does what he feels is right. That's the contrast. There was a time when Daenerys would do the same but she's becoming more and more like Cersei each day. 

 

 

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Just now, THATFoxyFeeling said:

I got a theory on the Night King, it's a reach but anything can happen at this point and the foreshadowing for the Northerners not liking Daenerys...

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Night King wants Daenerys to be his Queen and she'll accept her fate when she finds out Jon is actually a Targaryen and the true heir to the Iron Throne. Melisandre knew this would happen, that's why she said about bringing Ice & Fire together. She wasn't talking about Jon/Aegon and Daenerys, she was talking about Night King & Daenerys. 

 

An interesting theory tbh, I never thought of this. 

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The episode was so good.  They needed to close open storylines and get everything ready for the wars to come 

 

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13 hours ago, RAMROD said:

I am enjoying the plot.

Need to remember Dany is a 20 years old woman by the season 8. She did some questionable decisions in the past, she did it cos she didn't know better, and of course that will come back to haunt her now. All actions have their own responsibilities. I do not see it as "hating Dany" narrative at all. Everything makes sense so far if we sees it from non biased views.

Also, when some people in your group are from the clans that knowingly slaughtering your family members in the past, you can't just welcome them in your house with arms wide open, there ought to be a struggle at first, it will take time before you can accepts and trust them.

She’s 20 in the books at this point. Not in the show.