Cure For Cancer Tumours Found

[Economy 53,073]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-procedure-kills-cancerour-tumors?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=theblaze

 

The article is long but long story short a company from Israel developed an injection based on a type of radiation that's very good at attacking cancer cells while minimizing damage to regular cells

 

Somehow the body also learns to attack cancer cells specifically with this treatment. Human trials began in 2017 and in 6000 animals before that and it shows a lot of promise

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Viruses designed to attack only cancer cells also showed a lot of promise years ago and I've yet to see that as a treatment available to the general public now... Everyone I know with cancer is still getting that standard radiation treatments and chemotherapy

[DitaDolla 11,006]

55 minutes ago, Economy said:

a company from Israel

on the mapppp

[Lucas 31,473]

Yeah like every cancer treatment progress, this will go into oblivion

[Economy 53,073]

Just now, GagaInTheZone said:

Yeah like every cancer treatment progress, this will go into oblivion

U know I used to think ppl were paranoid with their conspiracy theories about cancer treatments being intentionally witheld...

 

But I'm seriously starting to wonder now about certain things cause every so often u hear about a great new treatment and it never seems to become widely available... Like ever!

 

For f*cks sake. We've been using radiation and chemo for decades now and billions into research every year and decades later were still using the exact same treatments (only a little more advanced)

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

I keep reading that more and more people are declining chemotherapy so I hope this new research works on us ugly humans!!! 

Yet 2017 was only last year. Have they done any long term studies? 

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55 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

I keep reading that more and more people are declining chemotherapy so I hope this new research works on us ugly humans!!! 

Yet 2017 was only last year. Have they done any long term studies? 

Well... Human trials started in 2017... There hasn't been time for long term studies

[GagaIsDope 679]

1 hour ago, Economy said:

every so often u hear about a great new treatment and it never seems to become widely available... Like ever!

 

For f*cks sake. We've been using radiation and chemo for decades now and billions into research every year and decades later were still using the exact same treatments (only a little more advanced)

Drug trials take so long because it's so important to understand a drug and its potential side effects before releasing it to the public. Chemotherapy in particular can have horribly bad effects because the drugs used target processes which also occur in healthy cells.

The drugs used to treat cancer have made huge progress in recent years. Immunotherapy is a particularly promising field. The problem is that cancer is not one disease. It is very unlikely that there will ever be a single cure because every tumour is unique.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

26 minutes ago, Economy said:

Well... Human trials started in 2017... There hasn't been time for long term studies

I see. So basically the long term effects are not known 

[Edonis 28,974]

I actually took a few seminar courses in my Masters program dedicated to cancer biology and new therapeutics! It's fascinating to see how the field is expanding! 

2 hours ago, Economy said:

U know I used to think ppl were paranoid with their conspiracy theories about cancer treatments being intentionally witheld...

 

But I'm seriously starting to wonder now about certain things cause every so often u hear about a great new treatment and it never seems to become widely available... Like ever!

 

For f*cks sake. We've been using radiation and chemo for decades now and billions into research every year and decades later were still using the exact same treatments (only a little more advanced)

This is actually extremely untrue. The fact of the matter is that cancer treatment research takes so long because the clinical trials have to cover and account for so many different parameters. One has to screen for so many thins other than cancer-killing effects; do they damage the liver/kidneys, what is it's effects on the immune system and host microbiome (the beneficial bacteria in our body that we need to carry out basic biochemical processes), it's long-term effects, remission rates, etc. It's far more nuanced once you consider all of these factors. Surgery used to be a much more common treatment measure for cancer in the past, but as we learn more about the nature of cancer and the individual tumor, we've learned that surgery alone doesn't usually "cure" malignancies, at least not as effectively. @GagaIsDope summed that up beautifully.

The other issue is that scientists and physicians really don't know all that much about the series of diseases known as cancer. We still don't know every gene involved in altering the normal growth patterns in cells, we've only just learned that the immune system plays a huge role in both maintaining tumor growth AND killing tumors probably in the past 10-15 years. It takes a long time to figure these things out.

Finally, the treatments available are actually changing. More and more hospitals globally are giving access to immunotherapy and showing success in what would normally be aggressive tumors with high rates of metastasis and re-emergence. You mentioned oncolytic virus therapy (we took an entire class dedicated to these) and their efficacy, which is very true, however, on their own without the combination of radiation/chemo/immunotherapies, the efficacy is far more limited in most cancers. These viruses have to stimulate an immune response or work in combination with other cytotoxic agents in order to effectively clear these tumors. (Slightly an aside, but I did a presentation as part of my thesis class over oncolytic bacteria if you're interested in learning more about that, I can always PM you some great articles and journals on that). So as you can see, it is fairly complicated, without even considering the translation of animal model data into humans.

I do want to point out that the industry isn't void of awful stuff; there are some companies that are interested in just making money and cashing in on the research licensing. Fortunately, because cancer research is one of the most funded fields of science, there are usually other companies and organizations investigating the same or similar agent or process, which reduces the idea of this monopoly in therapeutics. The reality is that cancer research is very very difficult to do, and we still don't know ~60% of information about the disease, but are tasked with trying to treat it. It takes time but the industry is changing and science is closer more than ever to finding a cure. I hope this helps!

[Morphine Prince 109,896]

5 minutes ago, Edonis said:

I actually took a few seminar courses in my Masters program dedicated to cancer biology and new therapeutics! It's fascinating to see how the field is expanding! 

This is actually extremely untrue. The fact of the matter is that cancer treatment research takes so long because the clinical trials have to cover and account for so many different parameters. One has to screen for so many thins other than cancer-killing effects; do they damage the liver/kidneys, what is it's effects on the immune system and host microbiome (the beneficial bacteria in our body that we need to carry out basic biochemical processes), it's long-term effects, remission rates, etc. It's far more nuanced once you consider all of these factors. Surgery used to be a much more common treatment measure for cancer in the past, but as we learn more about the nature of cancer and the individual tumor, we've learned that surgery alone doesn't usually "cure" malignancies, at least not as effectively. @GagaIsDope summed that up beautifully.

The other issue is that scientists and physicians really don't know all that much about the series of diseases known as cancer. We still don't know every gene involved in altering the normal growth patterns in cells, we've only just learned that the immune system plays a huge role in both maintaining tumor growth AND killing tumors probably in the past 10-15 years. It takes a long time to figure these things out.

Finally, the treatments available are actually changing. More and more hospitals globally are giving access to immunotherapy and showing success in what would normally be aggressive tumors with high rates of metastasis and re-emergence. You mentioned oncolytic virus therapy (we took an entire class dedicated to these) and their efficacy, which is very true, however, on their own without the combination of radiation/chemo/immunotherapies, the efficacy is far more limited in most cancers. These viruses have to stimulate an immune response or work in combination with other cytotoxic agents in order to effectively clear these tumors. (Slightly an aside, but I did a presentation as part of my thesis class over oncolytic bacteria if you're interested in learning more about that, I can always PM you some great articles and journals on that). So as you can see, it is fairly complicated, without even considering the translation of animal model data into humans.

I do want to point out that the industry isn't void of awful stuff; there are some companies that are interested in just making money and cashing in on the research licensing. Fortunately, because cancer research is one of the most funded fields of science, there are usually other companies and organizations investigating the same or similar agent or process, which reduces the idea of this monopoly in therapeutics. The reality is that cancer research is very very difficult to do, and we still don't know ~60% of information about the disease, but are tasked with trying to treat it. It takes time but the industry is changing and science is closer more than ever to finding a cure. I hope this helps!

Thank you. Glad to see someone here gets that research takes time and isn’t magic. 

Be realistic people, for ****s sake. 

[Edonis 28,974]

3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Thank you. Glad to see someone here gets that research takes time and isn’t magic. 

Be realistic people, for ****s sake. 

It's no trouble at all! I love this field as it relates a bit to virology and therapeutics, so I could talk about it for hours haha. I don't blame people for feeling like there is some sort of conspiracy in the industry as it does seem to take unnecessarily long, but research, especially in treating human diseases, takes so much time and effort. As you said, it isn't an overnight venture, and some drugs an novel ways of therapy can take years, even decades before they enter the market under non-experimental coverage. That isn't even considering insurance and whatnot. I have very strong faith that the group of diseases referred to as cancer will eventually be cured, it will just take time.

[Rio 5,088]

Because the world governments don’t want to find the cure. It’s a $300bn a year industry in the US. 

They know it and won’t share it. I watched my friend say no chemotherapy and traditional treatment, and cure her triple-negative breast cancer with full extract cannabis oil and a strict diet change with organic produce.

My Mum has just finished chemotherapy, and the cannabis oil had seriously helped with her nausea. Her tumour shrunk drastically within 2 weeks of beginning chemotherapy. Although the doctor couldn’t say by law, we knew the cannabis oil was doing something. Obviously, it’s not a proven cure, but personal experience, it does.

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55 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Thank you. Glad to see someone here gets that research takes time and isn’t magic. 

Be realistic people, for ****s sake. 

I know it takes time. I'm just saying it's like the most heavily funded and researched illness ever and been researched for a life time

 

I get that it takes time... I just would of expected a little more improvement than we've seen (even tho treatments have improved) with so many decades of extensive research into this illness

 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

40 minutes ago, Rio said:

Because the world governments don’t want to find the cure. It’s a $300bn a year industry in the US. 

They know it and won’t share it. I watched my friend say no chemotherapy and traditional treatment, and cure her triple-negative breast cancer with full extract cannabis oil and a strict diet change with organic produce.

My Mum has just finished chemotherapy, and the cannabis oil had seriously helped with her nausea. Her tumour shrunk drastically within 2 weeks of beginning chemotherapy. Although the doctor couldn’t say by law, we knew the cannabis oil was doing something. Obviously, it’s not a proven cure, but personal experience, it does.

I agree kind of that governments don’t want a cure being found, but at the same time I am not one of those extreme conspiracy theorists who believe the government is purposely hiding the cure. Honestly, I just don’t think that they’re smart enough. I don’t believe in a single cure- there’s probably just as many cures for cancer as there are different types of cancer. Why should there be ONE cure when there are MANY causes? If it works for you or your loved one (eg like cannabis oil) then it should be approved and taxed/regulated so everyone wins. Nobody should have to break the law to try something that might work for them when everything else they have tried has not worked.

[Rio 5,088]

17 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

I agree kind of that governments don’t want a cure being found, but at the same time I am not one of those extreme conspiracy theorists who believe the government is purposely hiding the cure. Honestly, I just don’t think that they’re smart enough. I don’t believe in a single cure- there’s probably just as many cures for cancer as there are different types of cancer. Why should there be ONE cure when there are MANY causes? If it works for you or your loved one (eg like cannabis oil) then it should be approved and taxed/regulated so everyone wins. Nobody should have to break the law to try something that might work for them when everything else they have tried has not worked.

Yes!!!! I personally believe the governments are smart enough to do that, I wouldn’t call myself an extreme conspiracy theorist either. It just makes so much sense to me. 90% of oncologists wouldn't recommend chemo to their family members. The whole debate is just ugly when you read about it.

I definitely don’t believe there’s one cure. Cannabis is potentially one of them. But it doesn’t cure everyone.