Diane Warren confirms ASIB pop songs were meant to be fun not bad songs

[Versace 7,959]

I hate to say it but to me Why Did You Do That is a weak song. It gave off that shallow pop music vibe (no pun intended). The Cure could have easily replaced it both on the soundtrack and the movie scene. It would have also played nicely after Heal Me. Don't @ me saying but The Cure is a basic pop song too, but at least lyrically and melodically it's far more expressive than Why Did You Do That. Mess at the best pop track of the soundtrack Hair Body Face barely being in the movie. 

 

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19 minutes ago, ARTPOPSlays said:

I totally get what you mean by she’s not a flat character and I totally agree. But in rehab I think there is usually a certain amount of time that they can’t have visitors maybe depending on what happened and how bad their situation was. Ally was definitely supportive of jack, she was going to cancel her whole tour just for him 

Yes maybe you are true...but she seemed not knowing where her husband was, or what he was doing there. They looked estranged. Anyway read my words in the context of my whole message, I was just saying they both had faults and it's not just him being jealous. 

I mean there are hints Ally was very focused on her pop career, estranged, not able to see he was critic of her song but still loving her etc. 

Just at the end she understands how much she was loved and that she was a little absent. (In the rehab she still thinks he may not love her).

This movie is more deep than what one may think. 

 

[FullPsychotic 128]

SPOILER/FUN

Just figuring out why Jackson was upset about the ass lyrics...

In a scene he was receiving a intramuscular injection right in his ass for his health problems...

She was a little disrespectful with these lyrics in WDYDT...

Is it a possibile theory?

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1 minute ago, FullPsychotic said:

SPOILER/FUN

Just figuring out why Jackson was upset about the ass lyrics...

In a scene he was receiving a intramuscular injection right in his ass for his health problems...

She was a little disrespectful with these lyrics in WDYDT...

Is it a possibile theory?

No

[Chickens in Malibu 7,873]

I hope Aunty Dianne is enjoying the royalties and not offended by LMs

We need her to write new bops with Gaga like till it happens with you 

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The opening line is proof Dianne Warren doesn't know hot to write a good pop song, just a silly one.

[PlastiscGuy 20,889]

So a lot of you bashed Joanne for being "country", when it has a lot of great songs with deep messages. A lot of you kept saying you wanted Gaga to return to the pop shallow music so you could shake your butts.

A lot of you did that, and when Gaga does that, what does she get in return?  some of you, are really the cancer of this fanbase.

 

And don't @ me, saying that Gaga's pop songs are lyrically a masterpiece;

"let's have some fun, this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick"

"Pa-pa-pa-poker face"

"Bang, bang, we are beautiful and dirty rich"

Shall we continue? 

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1 hour ago, PlastiscGuy said:

So a lot of you bashed Joanne for being "country", when it has a lot of great songs with deep messages. A lot of you kept saying you wanted Gaga to return to the pop shallow music so you could shake your butts.

A lot of you did that, and when Gaga does that, what does she get in return?  some of you, are really the cancer of this fanbase.

 

And don't @ me, saying that Gaga's pop songs are lyrically a masterpiece;

"let's have some fun, this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick"

"Pa-pa-pa-poker face"

"Bang, bang, we are beautiful and dirty rich"

Shall we continue? 

I will speak for myself. Don't act like Ally is Gaga, they are not the same person.

I like Gaga in Joanne or ASIB ballads as in her previous pop-electronic songs with crazy lyrics.

But she was Gaga and a younger one, and she knew how to perform them in the right way and stay big.

More. I like all the pop songs in ASIB including WDYDT but not those first lines about the ass because ALLY was a little basic and ridiculous performing that. She was out of her persona. My opinion.

Maybe a real Gaga could perform better this single (visuals, choreo, face expressions) but honestly i don't think she would ever choose a song like this as first single of LG6.

I think that the criticism about WDYDT is part of the movie, the plot, Gaga knew it and accepted it, maybe she's even ok with it, so let us be free to say it.

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1 hour ago, PlastiscGuy said:

So a lot of you bashed Joanne for being "country", when it has a lot of great songs with deep messages. A lot of you kept saying you wanted Gaga to return to the pop shallow music so you could shake your butts.

A lot of you did that, and when Gaga does that, what does she get in return?  some of you, are really the cancer of this fanbase.

 

And don't @ me, saying that Gaga's pop songs are lyrically a masterpiece;

"let's have some fun, this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick"

"Pa-pa-pa-poker face"

"Bang, bang, we are beautiful and dirty rich"

Shall we continue? 

Yeah and those songs will still be part of the catalogue of the most iconic pop songs EVER, even after her death

I don't think you always need sad, depressing, complicated and emotional lyrics to make iconic and quality music... Just my opinion though

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I see what Diane is saying, and I completely agree about not having every single song be all serious and mopey, however, I think we're talking about two different scenarios here.

First of all, like Diane said, it's okay to have fun pop songs. Just because one is "poppier" than another doesn't make it bad and just because one is a ballad doesn't make it any better than the pop song.

However, when it comes to the story of A Star Is Born, and the narrative that it's trying to tell, the pop songs are meant to be shallow, and to an extent, bad. Gaga even explains in the Zane Lowe interview that it was important for her to make a distinction between "Lady Gaga" and "Ally." Ally's pop songs were shallow and largely superficial, something Gaga tries to say away from. Now before I go on, I want to make the distinction between the two different scenarios. It is okay to have pure pop songs, however, for the sake of the story of ASIB, it's not like that.

Ally was manipulated into becoming something that she wasn't. That was the problem in the story. If she had the same [shallow] lyrics but instead her songs were rock/country/folk, similar to Jackson's, I still think Jack would have had a problem with it. The problem is that Ally is much more than talking about asses in jeans. Her songs are deeper than that, and that is what Jackson is trying to get at her head. He isn't critiquing Ally switching to pop necessarily, he's critiquing her because of how shallow she's become. Again, this is something Gaga explicitly explains as well in various interviews.

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3 hours ago, PlastiscGuy said:

So a lot of you bashed Joanne for being "country", when it has a lot of great songs with deep messages. A lot of you kept saying you wanted Gaga to return to the pop shallow music so you could shake your butts.

A lot of you did that, and when Gaga does that, what does she get in return?  some of you, are really the cancer of this fanbase.

 

And don't @ me, saying that Gaga's pop songs are lyrically a masterpiece;

"let's have some fun, this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your disco stick"

"Pa-pa-pa-poker face"

"Bang, bang, we are beautiful and dirty rich"

Shall we continue? 

The same people who bashed Joanne for being "country" are the same people who are infatuated with the pop songs on ASIB. They're not two different groups of people.

Also, Ally =/= Gaga. 

For the sake of the story, Ally's new songs were shallow. That is not necessarily a bad thing. It's just the truth.

And yeah, some of Gaga's songs are pretty shallow too. Poker Face and Just Dance are a few examples. But look at all of the songs you listed. They were all from TF era. I don't understand why people are always like "Oh you're calling Ally shallow, but look at all of Gaga's songs! They are pretty shallow too, but I don't see you complaining about them!" 

Yeah, Gaga has continued to make some fun and lyrically shallow songs (i.e. Dancin' In Circles, MANiCURE, etc.), however, she's also made some really prophetic songs (i.e. Angel Down, Come To Mama, Dope, You and I, The Edge of Glory, etc., etc.)

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7 hours ago, Dolce Vita said:

She’s right. Jackson is a pretentious rat. Music lyrics can mean N-E-THING-UH. He clearly didn’t listen to ARTPOP. 

Music doesn’t have to be super deep and serious all the time. If I want to sing about going to the Store with Carly Rae Jensen then I will 

There’s no way he could have listened to ARTPOP, the movie takes place in 2009 according to the merchandise 

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Just now, M Monstre said:

Yeah, Gaga has continued to make some fun and lyrically shallow songs (i.e. Dancin' In Circles, MANiCURE, etc.), however, she's also made some really prophetic songs (i.e. Angel Down, Come To Mama, Dope, You and I, The Edge of Glory, etc., etc.)

 

And that's my point. That's exactly what happens in the 'ASIB' soundtrack, but the same people who stan Gaga's shallow songs, are the ones who bash ASIB's 

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Why did you do that an a ****ing bop.  I do not care what anyone thinks.  I rock out to that song all the time. And I relate to it.   When you relate to a song, it doesn’t matter how corny it may or may not be.  It’s awesome. 

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13 minutes ago, PlastiscGuy said:

And that's my point. That's exactly what happens in the 'ASIB' soundtrack, but the same people who stan Gaga's shallow songs, are the ones who bash ASIB's 

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I know for me personally, her "shallower" songs tend not to be my favorite ones. Don't get me wrong, sometimes I'm in the mood for songs like Dancin' In Circles and MANiCURE, but I would much rather listen to songs like TEOG, You and I, and quite honestly, most of the ballads (including Before I Cry) on the ASIB soundtrack.

Like I said, I think that it's important to distinct Ally from Gaga. The point of the story of ASIB is that Ally becomes shallow and her music is not really reflective of who she is as a person, and Jackson sees that. He knows who she really is and what she's capable of. To be frank, Ally's pop songs are beneath her.

I agree with Diane when she says that not everything has to be a serious ballad, but that's not the point of the story and the narrative that ASIB is trying to convey. Ally has downgraded and turned herself into something that she's not.