Are LGBT rights finally starting to improve in the Middle East?

[Alii 2,039]

1 hour ago, Moebius said:

"Rights" arent the problem; its public opinion. Just because my rights are protected where I live doesnt mean someone will kill me if they knew.

That’s if we are discussing equal rights like marriage and adoption. 

But we are talking about decriminalization of homosexuality. We can’t come out in the ME if the law puts us in jail with rapists and killers. 

If it becomes legal, people will start to come out. People here in Cairo still don’t believe that there are LGBT and that it is a Western propaganda thing. 

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1 hour ago, fayecuntaway said:

Well this is not entirely true. I am from Morocco and homosexuality is very far from being legalized there. What is changing and what makes me a little bit at ease with how shitty things are in the countries of the third world, is that the Western world is finally starting to care about us, women and LGBTQ people of the other side of the world. I think this is one the ways that things can change, due to globalization and the four corners of the world becoming closely connected. I hope we stay relevant enough for us to be put on a map as a community that exists and that needs their rights approved. This makes me very sad though, because while in other countries "Love Is Winning", in other countries you can't even be gay withour fearing imprisonment, violence or death.

I felt this in my bones hun, very well said 

[blueberryx 30]

What people don't necessarily realize is that homosexuality is not understood to be a part of one's identity and all that entails; HOMOSEXUAL ACTS on the other hand is more characteristic of the concept. For instance, you can't technically be prosecuted for being gay, but you can be for engaging in homosexual acts with someone of the same sex, especially in cases where you are the one performing what they consider to be the 'woman's' role. 

Some people even consider it a sin in the same way they do drinking alcohol: as a temptation, an indulgence, to resist. I can't speak for all countries but I'm from Kuwait, the law is based on Shari'a (muslim law) where in order for there to be legal consequences to begin with, the act(s) in  question need to be witnessed by no less than 4 individuals attesting to what they observed, I can't remember if footage or some other form of proof is required. The truth of the matter is that it is rare for people to be facing homosexuality charges, however, they are punished in different, unacceptable and sometimes beyond worse ways.

I'm one of about half a dozen from my generation or older to be openly gay and it's been difficult. People talk **** which leads to a bad reputation which in my case has made it difficult to find work, you can never feel completely safe in public, threats range from mockery/comments from by others, to physical. I've had my rights violated at almost any encounter I've had dealing with authority figures, police, airport security, among others, who've gone so far as to **** with me (without going into detail, but you can perhaps imagine) in so many ways, in some cases, having singled me out in the crowd and detained me for 'fun.' 

So some muslim countries are eons away from understanding, let alone decriminalizing homosexuality. 

[Alii 2,039]

10 minutes ago, blueberryx said:

What people don't necessarily realize is that homosexuality is not understood to be a part of one's identity and all that entails; HOMOSEXUAL ACTS on the other hand is more characteristic of the concept. For instance, you can't technically be prosecuted for being gay, but you can be for engaging in homosexual acts with someone of the same sex, especially in cases where you are the one performing what they consider to be the 'woman's' role. 

Some people even consider it a sin in the same way they do drinking alcohol: as a temptation, an indulgence, to resist. I can't speak for all countries but I'm from Kuwait, the law is based on Shari'a (muslim law) where in order for there to be legal consequences to begin with, the act(s) in  question need to be witnessed by no less than 4 individuals attesting to what they observed, I can't remember if footage or some other form of proof is required. The truth of the matter is that it is rare for people to be facing homosexuality charges, however, they are punished in different, unacceptable and sometimes beyond worse ways.

I'm one of about half a dozen from my generation or older to be openly gay and it's been difficult. People talk **** which leads to a bad reputation which in my case has made it difficult to find work, you can never feel completely safe in public, threats range from mockery/comments from by others, to physical. I've had my rights violated at almost any encounter I've had dealing with authority figures, police, airport security, among others, who've gone so far as to **** with me (without going into detail, but you can perhaps imagine) in so many ways, in some cases, having singled me out in the crowd and detained me for 'fun.' 

So some muslim countries are eons away from understanding, let alone decriminalizing homosexuality. 

Decriminalizing is the way to understand it in my opinion. They still don’t believe it exists in the ME so why would they search and try to understand it? 

We need people to start coming out here. 

[blueberryx 30]

20 minutes ago, Alii said:

Decriminalizing is the way to understand it in my opinion. They still don’t believe it exists in the ME so why would they search and try to understand it? 

We need people to start coming out here. 

U Kuwaiti?

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3 hours ago, Musicer said:

If you just witness the hate against homosexual ppl in middle east you'll realize that there is a very long road for homosexuals to be accepted as normal human beings like in west. I can say at least more than 20 years.I am saying this while i'm fully experiencing this issue in Iran.

This. Most people over here still use gay as the biggest insult.

[Alii 2,039]

30 minutes ago, blueberryx said:

U Kuwaiti?

Cairo. 

It is the same here as well. 

[HausOfMoana 829]

4 hours ago, lordgagx said:

Lebanon has decriminalized homosexuality weeks ago.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/19/lebanon-same-sex-relations-not-illegal

years ago you mean 

EDIT: I did not read the long post by @ARTPOP2 Excuse this post.

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3 hours ago, ARTPOP2 said:

 

Mess you're lebanese and probably knew all of this  kteer cute kamen 

6b y3ne leasto Illegal?

[HausOfMoana 829]

1 hour ago, blueberryx said:

What people don't necessarily realize is that homosexuality is not understood to be a part of one's identity and all that entails; HOMOSEXUAL ACTS on the other hand is more characteristic of the concept. For instance, you can't technically be prosecuted for being gay, but you can be for engaging in homosexual acts with someone of the same sex, especially in cases where you are the one performing what they consider to be the 'woman's' role. 

Some people even consider it a sin in the same way they do drinking alcohol: as a temptation, an indulgence, to resist. I can't speak for all countries but I'm from Kuwait, the law is based on Shari'a (muslim law) where in order for there to be legal consequences to begin with, the act(s) in  question need to be witnessed by no less than 4 individuals attesting to what they observed, I can't remember if footage or some other form of proof is required. The truth of the matter is that it is rare for people to be facing homosexuality charges, however, they are punished in different, unacceptable and sometimes beyond worse ways.

I'm one of about half a dozen from my generation or older to be openly gay and it's been difficult. People talk **** which leads to a bad reputation which in my case has made it difficult to find work, you can never feel completely safe in public, threats range from mockery/comments from by others, to physical. I've had my rights violated at almost any encounter I've had dealing with authority figures, police, airport security, among others, who've gone so far as to **** with me (without going into detail, but you can perhaps imagine) in so many ways, in some cases, having singled me out in the crowd and detained me for 'fun.' 

So some muslim countries are eons away from understanding, let alone decriminalizing homosexuality. 

Im from Yemen, living in Germany now, I was always teased for being 'gay' but I was never out to anyone. I was just wondering how you came out in Kuwait, Wont the authorities sentence you to death or something? How does it feel like?

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In the meantime, in Israel, my country, the "only democracy in the middle east" they are going backward and bringing down every single pro-lgbt law while bragging that the country is ope minded and loves us.. yeah I can f-ck in peace, but I can't adopt a kid..

[blueberryx 30]

43 minutes ago, Alii said:

Cairo. 

It is the same here as well. 

It's similar but not the same I would say.

[blueberryx 30]

29 minutes ago, Yemeni Feed said:

Im from Yemen, living in Germany now, I was always teased for being 'gay' but I was never out to anyone. I was just wondering how you came out in Kuwait, Wont the authorities sentence you to death or something? How does it feel like?

I slowly began telling one friend after the other asking them to keep it to themselves and eventually told enough that I felt it wasn't fair to my family. I mean, I wouldn't want my mom dad or siblings entering a room and have someone whisper into another's ear, 'his son'a a fag and he doesn't even know it' or any other comment for that matter. More than that it was for me that I told them, and once I did it was something I wouldn't deny. If someone asked I'd tell the truth. It took about 2 days for the entire country to find out.

 

As I said in Kuwait you can't be prosecuted for being gay, you can be for engaging in homosexual behavior.

[Alii 2,039]

13 minutes ago, blueberryx said:

It's similar but not the same I would say.

What makes you think it is better/worse? The police here used to use Grindr to arrest gay men. 

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1 hour ago, Yemeni Feed said:

6b y3ne leasto Illegal?

ma fhemt  bs yeah, lesato illegal bs depends on the interpretation of judges

(I hope that's what u asked  )