Albums more critically acclaimed than any Gaga album

[TheAlpha 3,830]

39 minutes ago, Bradley said:

There are so many ways to measure how acclaimed an album is, and you choose the one with the least credibility - Metacritic? @TheAlpha

Metacritic is known for being extremely inaccurate in reflecting how well an album receives. If you want to know how well an album receives, you gotta read all the reviews given to that album, there will usually be a brief summary in the album's Wikipedia page, and maybe check out the accolades that the album has received, such as the awards and nominations received by the album.

Selena Gomez's Revival - 74
Demi Lovato's Confident - 74
Adele's 25 (ALBUM OF THE YEAR WINNER) - 75

Do you really think these albums are on the same quality? Even Joanne which got a 67 score was nominated for Best Pop Vocal Album, if Metacritic is so great, why isn't Revival nominated?

Justin Bieber's Purpose (ALBUM OF THE YEAR nomination) - 64
Kesha's Rainbow - 81

Why isn't Kesha nominated for Album of the Year but Justin Bieber's was?

What I'm trying to say is that Metacritic's scores fluctuate very easily, one critic who gives an extremely low score to the album will severely affect the album's score despite other critics giving it a high score.

The reason I chose Metacritic is because they have reviews from the GP (people like us who go in there and say what they want about an album) and also, they collect reviews from critics that come from other articles. I wouldn’t call it the least credible way to do it.  Awards (which you suggested) is probably the worst possible way of finding how acclaimed an album is. When you have people like Kanye West and Beyonce with over 20 Grammys and artists like Björk, Bob Marley, Guns N Roses, etc.. with none, something is fishy here. Award showstopper are a popularity contest. But then again, these albums I mentioned (probably with the exception of Yours Truly and Whoa, Nelly) have been praised more than any Gaga album. I never mentioned Selena nor Justin Bieber. I specifically gave a list.

 

[Bradley 59,173]

22 minutes ago, TheAlpha said:

The reason I chose Metacritic is because they have reviews from the GP (people like us who go in there and say what they want about an album) and also, they collect reviews from critics that come from other articles. I wouldn’t call it the least credible way to do it.  Awards (which you suggested) is probably the worst possible way of finding how acclaimed an album is. When you have people like Kanye West and Beyonce with over 20 Grammys and artists like Björk, Bob Marley, Guns N Roses, etc.. with none, something is fishy here. But then again, these albums I mentioned (probably with the exception of Yours Truly and Whoa, Nelly) have been praised more than any Gaga album. I never mentioned Selena nor Justin Bieber. I specifically gave a list.

Any website that allows the public to voice their opinion on an album should be automatically deemed unconvincing. Can you imagine if the Oscars or Grammys let the public vote on their favourite actors or music? The good albums would be paid dust just because they weren't as popular as the mainstream ones. Also if you have gone to Metacritic's website when ARTPOP was released, a lot of users were giving it a '0' score.

What, you think the GP is the one who goes to that website? The GP doesn't even know what Metacritic is, only the hardcore haters and fans do. The scores are usually 0 or 100, very rarely do you get scores in between.

No one will think 'Oh let me be rational and listen to each song and then determine how well this album is.' You're so naive. The haters give the lowest score possible, and the fans give the highest score possible.

Even articles can be biased. They often take into account your previous work to determine how well your current work is. They gave Selena Gomez such a high score because she hasn't done anything groundbreaking before whereas Gaga's standards are held very high and that's why even when ARTPOP and Joanne are good albums, they feel like Gaga hasn't attained their expectations. The Grammys are exactly the opposite of that (at least they strive to do). They listen to only and only the work submitted to them and will not take into account your previous work when determining whether or not to award you. This is also how the Oscars work.

Also I can assure you the Grammys are definitely more credible than Metacritic. You didn't even bother to figure out why Kanye West and Beyonce have so many Grammys. Beyonce and Kanye are within the hip-hop sphere and they often collaborate which gives them more chances at getting nominated under a variety of categories.

First of all, Beyonce is already more mainstream than artists like Bjork. She is popular, and you can't expect the Grammys to nominate a bunch of people who are not well-known in the industry every year.

Rappers and singers often collaborate and that's why they not only get nominations under 'solo performances', they also get nominations under 'collaboration performances'. On top of that, they make their own solo albums which get nominated in general and genre categories. Other than that, they also write songs and are featured in other people's albums which get them a nomination again once the album is nominated. Artists like Beyonce also get nominated in Rock, R&B, Pop, and that significantly increases her chances at winning and getting nominated.

I mentioned Selena Gomez and Adele having similar scores because it shows blatantly how Metacritic is not worthy of being used as a source.

Also we should be talking about how Grammys award their recipients, not how many Grammys Beyonce and Kanye have. Mentioning how many awards Kanye and Beyonce have does not explain how the Grammys work at all.

[TheAlpha 3,830]

3 hours ago, Bradley said:

First of all, Beyonce is already more mainstream than artists like Bjork. She is popular, and you can't expect the Grammys to nominate a bunch of people who are not well-known in the industry every year.

Which goes back to my point that Award shows is nothing more than a popularity contest. You said she’s more mainstream. You never said she was a better artist. Or has written, produced a better piece of work. Of course articles can be biased. Of course people are biased. I wasn’t born yesterday. But so can award shows. I listen to all the nominees for Best Pop Vocal Album. The winner was Divide by Ed Sheeran. I thought that was BS because Joanne and Rainbow were better albums than Divide. But what does Divide had that Joanne nor Rainbow had going on for them? Sales. Popularity. Same goes for Album of the Year. Which album sold the most? Bruno’s. Which album got more views with their videography? Bruno’s. But was Bruno’s album really better than Melodrama, 4:44 and DAMN.? I think not. In my humble opinion. And it seems like most people agreed with me since all the backlash the Grammys got for who they decided to award as the best album. My point is, Metacritic isn’t the best place to look for how acclaimed an album is, but for me, the Grammys is no better. Even with the huge panel they have. Because usually (not always) the winners aren’t exactly the ones who put out the best work when compared to all the other nominees. It is why African Americans have always had an issue with the Grammys and their choice to not give the award for Album of the Year to a rapper. Why? Most of the panel are older white men. This year there were two great hip hop albums (especially 4:44) who were better than Bruno’s album. In 2015, the best album was easily To Pimp A Butterfly. Who won the Grammy that year? 1989 by Taylor. What did the latter had that To Pimp A Butterfly didn’t? I’m sure you know by now. The president of the Grammys said this year that women had to step up. How can he said that when three females came out with better albums than Ed Sheeran and they still awarded him? I want to trust the Grammys too. But they have shown year after year how biased they are.

 

Update: I will make a change to the thread. And will now mention that this is purely according to 14 critics which is the amount of articles they got it from. Hope you like it this time.

[ryanripley 86,575]

7 hours ago, Tyler Henry said:

sure jan

stop

[DonnieDarko 10,186]

7 hours ago, DCgaga said:

This doesn't surprise me, these artists are mostly doing what their fans want them to do and not what they themselves want. The reason Gaga came up with Joanne and not just some other pop album, is because she wanted to do it from the heart, to pour out her inner Joanne onto heart filled music that she loves and doesn't care what other people think, she loves Joanne whether others do or not

[Damon 10,904]

I think Gaga and all those female listed have the score they deserve tho

[Arcanum 5,164]

I still don't understand Lemonade's critical acclaim. 

[ode 1,530]

Album ratings or scores are often something that have more to do with magazine/site editors than they do the actual critics and their opinion on the music. 

[highlikegaga 9,099]

2 hours ago, LittleMonster20 said:

Can’t we as fans do something about these scores? Like voting, or commenting or however this works?

well, the user score for Joanne is 80.

Metacritic's site uses both votes (critics and users) for different scores.

[Taylorrgh 679]

6 hours ago, ryanripley said:

stop

Um stop what? I was replying to a comment I disagreed with. You don’t have to like my opinion but don’t tell me to stop. Have a blessed day 

[ryanripley 86,575]

24 minutes ago, Tyler Henry said:

Um stop what? I was replying to a comment I disagreed with. You don’t have to like my opinion but don’t tell me to stop. Have a blessed day 

trying to deny gaga made joanne cus she wanted is just denying fact but sure jan

[Taylorrgh 679]

9 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

trying to deny gaga made joanne cus she wanted is just denying fact but sure jan

I’m not denying anything about Gaga. Those words never can out of my mouth. I was responding to how this guy basically said that all the other albums that got more praise than Gaga’s has no artistic value from their hearts which is false. Also btw she may have made Joanne because wanted to, does not mean it is better than other female albums. Because I’m sure Beyoncé made lemonade because she wanted to. Adele made 21 because she wanted and all the others.

[ryanripley 86,575]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Henry said:

I’m not denying anything about Gaga. Those words never can out of my mouth. I was responding to how this guy basically said that all the other albums that got more praise than Gaga’s has no artistic value from their hearts which is false. Also btw she may have made Joanne because wanted to, does not mean it is better than other female albums. Because I’m sure Beyoncé made lemonade because she wanted to. Adele made 21 because she wanted and all the others.

you said sure jan to their whole comment when you should have been more specific cus it just looks like joanne shade  

[Taylorrgh 679]

1 hour ago, ryanripley said:

you said sure jan to their whole comment when you should have been more specific cus it just looks like joanne shade  

I mean take how you want to take it then 🤷🏾‍♂️

[joannesrats 26]

Idc about all this other mess going on in this thread but Rainbow deserves its spot and Joanne and ARTPOP deserve better. 

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