PewDiePie Jokes About Demi

[ryhanna 3,507]

4 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

You’re acting like jokes are the foundation of society and humanity. It’s not that ****ing deep. It’s not like Felix was trying to create some sort of profound statement with this, he was mocking her for a serious issue that she has. Like I posted on my previous posts in this thread, I suggest people like you do your research and look into the affects of drug addition to the body. This isn’t just something she can stop cold turkey, she’s gone to rehab and has gotten medical and professional help for this. Addition is a mental disorder. It affects your nervous system: it affects the neurotransmitters and how they’re passed through the synaptic cleft and into the neuron. It’s genetic and biological. Yes, it’s fair to criticize her initial decision to take drugs but it isn’t to criticize her addition. This is legitimately something she cannot stop.  What IS hurting society is not the lack of criticism, but the lack of utter respect and compassion. I’m sure you’re the kind of person who would have no compassion for suicide victims then, right? 

And again, don’t act like this joke was some philosophical scripture. It was dumb, stupid, and insensitive. I don’t take myself as a comedian, but I realize simple social queues, and he completely missed the mark on this one. 

It's called tastefulness. I'm not anti-Pewds or anything, but the reason people are outraged about this is simply that he showed poor tact and poor taste. 

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5 minutes ago, ryhanna said:

It's called tastefulness. I'm not anti-Pewds or anything, but the reason people are outraged about this is simply that he showed poor tact and poor taste. 

 That’s pretty much it, but at the same time he should have known that the joke was insensitive. 

[ryhanna 3,507]

1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

 That’s pretty much it, but at the same time he should have known that the joke was insensitive. 

Yeah, that's what I mean by poor taste. There's nothing wrong with dark or topical humour, but timing and tact is important and Pewds displayed neither. 

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20 minutes ago, ryhanna said:

Yeah, that's what I mean by poor taste. There's nothing wrong with dark or topical humour, but timing and tact is important and Pewds displayed neither. 

Exactly. I love dark humor, I make dark jokes all the time, but the timing of this is way off. She literally was just hospitalized.

[ryanripley 86,575]

3 hours ago, Dayum said:

Of course. Have you heard of it too? Sorry if I am too edgy for you.

well if you've heard of it, use it

defending your right to mock someone who almost died is one of the worst things i've seen on this website

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18 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

well if you've heard of it, use it

defending your right to mock someone who almost died is one of the worst things i've seen on this website

I know this is super random and stuff, but can I just say that I love that in a lot of these serious threads, we always tend to have very similar opinions and outlooks. Like, every time I look into a serious thread and you're there internally I'm like "YAS BITCH" cause I know there's always someone there who's gonna have my back 

[Bellatrix 34,811]

It really pisses me off when someone jokes and makes fun of people who are suffering from drug issues. How can some people here defend it?

People seem to have forgotten sadly, but they mocked and made fun of Amy Winehouse for years and look where it got her. We can't let Demi follow her.

 

[Bratney 82]

lol love him 

[giskardsb 12,565]

14 hours ago, Dayum said:

I think excusing someone's overdose as mental disorder is irresponsible to millions of young impressionable followers. You're encouraging them to take drugs. You are telling them they do not have to take responsibility for their actions once they get addicted because they have no control over it. On the contrary, making fun of this is one of the most effective way of showing society's disapproval. It will teach her young impressionable followers that doing drug can lead to serious consequences. To otherwise condone it is truly inexcusable.

Actually all it does is tell people that it’s ok to make “jokes” about people in unfortunate circumstances.  That message comes through to your average teen much clearer than any message about drugs being bad. 

[Dayum 240]

4 hours ago, giskardsb said:

Actually all it does is tell people that it’s ok to make “jokes” about people in unfortunate circumstances.  That message comes through to your average teen much clearer than any message about drugs being bad. 

Not true. You completely ignored the basis on which people make jokes. If doing drugs and overdosing is not socially bad in the mind of the person who makes the joke, then there is literally nothing to laugh at. Nobody laughs at how successful a person is, they only laugh at their downfall.

So, if the teen got the message that it is OK to joke about people doing drugs and overdosing, it shows that they must have first accepted the proposition doing drugs and overdosing is not a social good.

[Dayum 240]

19 hours ago, ryhanna said:

What? This makes no sense. Labeling addiction as a mental disorder is not condoning drug use. It's acknowledging that addiction is something that happens in our brains that requires help to overcome. Completely the opposite. It's encouraging people to seek help when they need it. 

Everyone knows mental disorder needs treatment. But in this context/thread, it is used to excuse the overdosing, in the sense that it is biological and genetic. The term mental disorder is used in this thread to paint her as a victim, something she cannot control. And if she is a victim, she cannot be held responsible for her actions, otherwise you're victim blaming. Read the comments of your fellow peers to understand the context.

[Dayum 240]

19 hours ago, iCpro said:

“Addiction is a brain disorder characterized by compulsivte engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

addiction literally is a mental disorder though. The rest of your comment is just so wrong I don’t know where to begin. All I said was you shouldn’t make fun of someone for ALMOST DYING A DAY AGO and from that you’re making wild assumptions like encouraging children to do drugs?? Do you even hear yourself? 

Making fun of something is NOT the most effective way to show societies disapproval. Making fun of addiction serves to make a mockery of a very serious topic, it reduces its weight and makes it hard for people to take it seriously. Drug addiction is a very serious topic and deserves to be treated as such. 

We tell children not to joke about the holocaust. Why? Because it makes light of the suffering and deaths of millions of people. Drug addiction has also caused the suffering and deaths of millions of people, shouldn’t we treat it with the same level of seriousness?

About almost dying a day ago: I don't think you believe time is an important issue, otherwise you wouldn't have said the same about the holocaust, which is slightly more than half a century ago. As I have said in the thread, if you can't make light of it now, when can you? And the inevitable answer from your side would be never.

About encouraging children to do drugs: Why is that? We have people defending a celebrity because she has a mental disorder, something she cannot control, her overdosing is not her responsibility, she is a victim of her biological and genetic makeup. What does this teach children? If you do drugs and get addicted, your behaviour is excusable. If that is not teaching them to be irresponsible, you should think again.

About reducing the gravity of the topic: How? PDP makes a joke about doing drugs and overdosing and look what is happening? People are discussing it. Jokes are used to broach a topic, especially when it is controversial, to relieve the tension. If we truly cared about the drug problem we shouldn't simply dismiss overdosing as a mental disorder consequence and move on. That is making light of the situation.

About effectiveness in disapproval: The harder the joke stings, you know you're the closest to the truth.

About telling children not to joke: This is a generalisation unfortunately. Any joke is at the expense of someone or something. If we go by your logic, we teach children not to joke at all.

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18 hours ago, M Monstre said:

You’re acting like jokes are the foundation of society and humanity. It’s not that ****ing deep. It’s not like Felix was trying to create some sort of profound statement with this, he was mocking her for a serious issue that she has. Like I posted on my previous posts in this thread, I suggest people like you do your research and look into the affects of drug addition to the body. This isn’t just something she can stop cold turkey, she’s gone to rehab and has gotten medical and professional help for this. Addition is a mental disorder. It affects your nervous system: it affects the neurotransmitters and how they’re passed through the synaptic cleft and into the neuron. It’s genetic and biological. Yes, it’s fair to criticize her initial decision to take drugs but it isn’t to criticize her addition. This is legitimately something she cannot stop.  What IS hurting society is not the lack of criticism, but the lack of utter respect and compassion. I’m sure you’re the kind of person who would have no compassion for suicide victims then, right? 

And again, don’t act like this joke was some philosophical scripture. It was dumb, stupid, and insensitive. I don’t take myself as a comedian, but I realize simple social queues, and he completely missed the mark on this one. 

I'm not defending the quality of the joke, I am defending the right to crack a joke. Quite the contrary, jokes are part of the foundation of society and humanity. I cannot imagine how lifeless and mundane life would be without anyone joking. Jokes are used to broach topics nobody wishes to talk about by diffusing the tension.

You are doing drug addicts a disservice by painting them as the victim of their own mental disorders/addiction. You are telling them they have no agency in their body, that they have no fault, no responsibilities in the choices they make because it is biology, it is in their genes. That is what is hurting society, condoning their actions by sheltering them in their victimhood. I feel sorry for them to have gotten into this situation, but I feel more sorry for them if people around them deny them their opportunity to be responsible in life.

As I said, respect is earned and not given away freely.

It is a false equivalence to say that if someone joked about someone's misfortune, they have never had/cannot/will not have pity for them. Who does not feel sorry for people who are suffering? But that does not mean you cannot joke about it. For example, you said you appreciate dark humour, but that does not mean you do not sympathise with the protagonist in those jokes.

 

[iCpro 14,846]

4 hours ago, Dayum said:

About almost dying a day ago: I don't think you believe time is an important issue, otherwise you wouldn't have said the same about the holocaust, which is slightly more than half a century ago. As I have said in the thread, if you can't make light of it now, when can you? And the inevitable answer from your side would be never.

About encouraging children to do drugs: Why is that? We have people defending a celebrity because she has a mental disorder, something she cannot control, her overdosing is not her responsibility, she is a victim of her biological and genetic makeup. What does this teach children? If you do drugs and get addicted, your behaviour is excusable. If that is not teaching them to be irresponsible, you should think again.

About reducing the gravity of the topic: How? PDP makes a joke about doing drugs and overdosing and look what is happening? People are discussing it. Jokes are used to broach a topic, especially when it is controversial, to relieve the tension. If we truly cared about the drug problem we shouldn't simply dismiss overdosing as a mental disorder consequence and move on. That is making light of the situation.

About effectiveness in disapproval: The harder the joke stings, you know you're the closest to the truth.

About telling children not to joke: This is a generalisation unfortunately. Any joke is at the expense of someone or something. If we go by your logic, we teach children not to joke at all.

There’s a reason why in a court of law, people can be found not guilty on account of insanity. It’s because when someone has a serious mental illness, they’re unable to process situations the same way that everyone else does, and they often do not have the capacity to control their actions. Their emotions and urges do not function in the way that they’re meant to, and for this reason it is unfair to punish them because they are not at fault for their mental illness.

Addiction is a mental disorder. That is a fact. If someone becomes addicted to drugs, it is overwhelmingly likely to be because they are genetically predisposed to addiction, or it could be combined with other mental illnesses such as depression that can mean that they view the world through a different lense.  For that reason  yes we should be defending Demi, because she is someone battling mental illness, and we should be giving her support and letting her know that she is loved. The alternative is that we make fun of her and shun her, like you’re condoning. 

What do you think that will do to her? How would she feel, not only having to battle her addiction, but doing feeling alone and feeling like the world hates her. What if we treated people with depression the same way? What if we shunned and made fun of people who self harmed, leaving them to fight the battle on their own. You are saying that we should make fun of Demi and her addiction to teach kids to stay away from drugs. Yes, of course we should be helping kids to stay away from drugs. But there is a real person on the other end who you are hurting by making fun of her. She needs our help just as much as the kids do. There are other ways to teach kids to stay away from drugs that don’t involve hurting a suffering drug addict.

 

“If we truly cared about the drug problem we shouldn't simply dismiss overdosing as a mental disorder consequence and move on. That is making light of the situation.”

Calling overdose a result of a mental disorder is not dismissing it or making light of the situation. In fact it is quite the opposite. If we were to say overdose was simply the result of recklessness that would be dismissive because it would be ignoring and rejecting the many biological and social factors that lead to addiction and overdose. 

If anything, calling overdose a result of mental disorder is increasing its severity, because it’s connecting it to an incredibly serious and destructive biological condition. I think you perceive it to be making light of the situation because it’s clear you don’t take mental disorders as seriously as you should. 

Finally, on the topic of the discussion that has risen from the joke; yes you are right that this is an important discussion to have, and we are having it at least in part thanks to pewdiepie’s joke. But you are drawing the wrong conclusions from the joke. He did not post a deepfried 2011 meme in order to start a discussion. He’s not that deep. His audience is predominantly young children, who will most definitely not view the picture and then have a serious discussion with their friends about the dangers of addiction. They will have a laugh at Demi’s expense and move on. And that’s the crux of the issue here, you are laughing at the expense of someone who is suffering, and that is wrong.

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8 hours ago, Dayum said:

I'm not defending the quality of the joke, I am defending the right to crack a joke. Quite the contrary, jokes are part of the foundation of society and humanity. I cannot imagine how lifeless and mundane life would be without anyone joking. Jokes are used to broach topics nobody wishes to talk about by diffusing the tension.

You are doing drug addicts a disservice by painting them as the victim of their own mental disorders/addiction. You are telling them they have no agency in their body, that they have no fault, no responsibilities in the choices they make because it is biology, it is in their genes. That is what is hurting society, condoning their actions by sheltering them in their victimhood. I feel sorry for them to have gotten into this situation, but I feel more sorry for them if people around them deny them their opportunity to be responsible in life.

As I said, respect is earned and not given away freely.

It is a false equivalence to say that if someone joked about someone's misfortune, they have never had/cannot/will not have pity for them. Who does not feel sorry for people who are suffering? But that does not mean you cannot joke about it. For example, you said you appreciate dark humour, but that does not mean you do not sympathise with the protagonist in those jokes.

 

Well, of course, people have the right to crack a joke. Like I've said before, I am a fan of dark humor. In real life, I make fairly dark jokes all the time. Some of my favorite comedians and people to watch make some pretty dark jokes. The problem here is, like I said, the timing. It was just too soon in my opinion. You want to talk about how this situation is hurting more than the drug addict (the people surrounding them). Well, this joke hurts more than just Demi, it hurts her family, friends, and fans. It's just way too soon. And before you rebuttal with "Okay, then when is it not 'too soon'"? I mean, I don't know. It's not like jokes have an expiry date or anything. I mean, people joke about Elvis being found dead on a toilet, but obviously at the time that was a pretty serious thing.

About the drug addiction thing though. Like I said, I think it's fair to criticize them for their initial intake of the drug; however, as I've expressed numerous times, to criticize them based on a mental disorder isn't completely fair to me. Sure, maybe you can criticize them for getting themselves in that position by taking the drug in the first place, but you cannot argue against science. I'll keep reiterating it, and honestly, I don't get what's so difficult to understand. This is like blaming a kid who has depression by getting sad about things in the first place. You just can't do that, and it's not going to help that kid any further. If anything, hearing that is going to make the kid want to kill themselves even more. Drugs for a lot of people is a way to cope with their pain. Am I defending the use of it? No. Am I saying that it's a good and productive way to deal with your issues? No. However, people are inherently different and they're going to find different ways to deal with stuff. And once again, I suggest you look into what drugs can do to the body because clearly, you keep arguing that "Oh it's just their fault, they've put themselves in that situation." And like I've said multiple times,  it is valid to criticize them based on their initial engagement with drugs, but it isn't fair to criticize their addiction—which is a mental illness.