Most Overrated Pop Girl?

[The Z 17,851]

Hesitating between Taylor, Rihanna, Beyoncé and Kesha. I like/love all of them but... 

Rihanna can barely sing and she almost doesn’t write anything. 

Beyoncé doesn't write, lip-sincs and pays her streams/reviews/awards. 

Taylor can't sing, her music is boring and basic, she's a liar and she's mean. 

Kesha can barely sing but everybody licks her a$$ because she was raped. That's direct but true. 

 

[Bebe 16,562]

Taylor Swift is a good songwriter, but even then I think her songs can sound bland and her entire image is bland to me. It's not that I want her to fail, she just doesn't appeal to me personally. I don't see her as a quality singer or performer, I don't see her as very charismatic and I find her songs to be very middle of the road.

I'm not surprised to see Beyonce leading due to the hype around her, but honestly she has been in the game for so long, she is one of the best performers (if not the best) out there and she puts out quality albums, quality music videos, quality performances, quality tours, quality photoshoots consistently. She receives such high praise because when she drops an album it's a great album, when she performs at an award show she is the best of the night, when she performs somewhere like Coachella she is innovative and unique, she is a fantastic singer, she is a fantastic dancer. She works hard and demands quality from those she collaborates with. She tries new things and works with creative people that others don't work with, people who (while very talented) don't have a track record of giant commercial success.

In contrast I think an artist like Taylor Swift gets praised because she sells  She also sells in a large part because she is safe and chooses commercially friendly and talented people to collaborate with
- Her songs are produced by proven hit-makers like Max Martin and Shellback
- Her videos of late have been good, but they have all been directed by Joseph Kahn
- She enlisted Baz Halpin to create her past couple world tours (for those who don't know him he has worked with P!nk for numerous tours and performances, Katy Perry for her Superbowl performance and tours, Britney Spears for Piece of Me, American Idol, The Emmy Awards... He is like the Max Martin of stage productions).

I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to totally discredit her success, she is smart and she is a great songwriter... Not everyone can get a hit working with those producers. My point is just that she has a dream team of people around her who have a track record of success. She doesn't really stray beyond commercial collaborators unlike other artists on that list. When she has such huge success and she gets praise for it, it just seems relevant to note that she plays it very safe and works with people who are commercially established.

In contrast: Beyonce is collaborating with producers like Boots, who doesn't really work with anyone else and artists like MeLo-X who only has credits on Beyonce albums as well as more mainstream producers. She works with a multitude of different video directors, she is in constant communication with with her creative director Todd Tourso (according to Tourso himself) sending him mood boards and talking with him about racial, generational struggles. Todd Tourso is a great creative, with credits to his name, but he isn't a figure with huge commercial successes to his name... He was introduced to Beyonce in 2013 through Pharrell who knew him via Tourso's streetwear brand that sold shirts reading "PHARRELL CAN'T SKATE".  Obviously she works with commercial producers and such, but she also includes unknown producers, she works with an intelligent creative director who has a large visual vocabulary but he doesn't have a long list of commercial hits under his belt. 

Some artists take risks and push things forward, they introduce creative people into their circle who are talented but haven't proven they are commercial. Some artists don't do that, they collaborate only with people who have an impeccable track record of commercial success. 

[brit4ever 2,034]

45 minutes ago, Bradley said:

Britney and Kesha haven't been very successful tho.

Although Britney Spears is touring across North America and Europe, her venues are mostly theatres or small arenas, which really is odd since she was once one of the biggest stars across the globe. The fact that she's not able to sell out a standard arena is clearly a decline. Also Britney has never been deemed a great singer, people go see her show to watch her dance and theatrics, and never for her vocals, so she's never gotten credit from that department. Even critics didn't believe her when she said her live shows are a mixture of playback and her live vocals. She also has only ONE Grammy in her entire career and she hasn't been recognised by them for so long, she wasn't nominated in any category, and has not been invited to perform for so long.

Kesha is playing in even smaller venues in comparison with Britney, she clearly is still very far from the superstar status. Also she's not an excellent live singer, a lot of people have pointed out how the Praying live performances pale in comparison to the studio version. The only outstanding recognition she had received was the Grammy nominations for Praying and Rainbow (and the critical acclaim which the album got), which I think she deserves since she is being innovative and doing something different from other pop stars of her calibre like Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato.

She has 3 sold-out, back to back shows at The O2 in London next month and 15 more sold-our arena shows across Europe. Also held the biggest concert in Tel Aviv since Madonna's Girlie Girl Show Tour in 1993 last year in front of almost 60k people. 

"not able to sell out a standard arena", sure.......

[Bradley 54,988]

2 minutes ago, brit4ever said:

She has 3 sold-out, back to back shows at The O2 in London next month and 15 more sold-our arena shows across Europe. Also held the biggest concert in Tel Aviv since Madonna's Girlie Girl Show Tour in 1993 last year in front of almost 60k people. 

"not able to sell out a standard arena", sure.......

Ok 15 shows is not a lot my friend.

[brit4ever 2,034]

9 minutes ago, Bradley said:

Ok 15 shows is not a lot my friend.

Joanne World Tour initially had 19 dates in Europe and Britney's POM Tour has 18 and the shows are in similar sized arenas. JWT is cnsidered a successful and sold-out tour, I'd say POM is just as successful. 

[Queen Bitch 10,513]

Adele 

[mzncb 332]

27 minutes ago, Bradley said:

Ok 15 shows is not a lot my friend.

14 minutes ago, brit4ever said:

Joanne World Tour initially had 19 dates in Europe and Britney's POM Tour has 18 and the shows are in similar sized arenas. JWT is cnsidered a successful and sold-out tour, I'd say POM is just as successful. 

Let's not forget that Britney is 20 years into her (music) career and Gaga is 10 years into hers.

Overall, obviously it would be 26 years in her entertainment career.

[Bradley 54,988]

13 minutes ago, brit4ever said:

Joanne World Tour initially had 19 dates in Europe and Britney's POM Tour has 18 and the shows are in similar sized arenas. JWT is cnsidered a successful and sold-out tour, I'd say POM is just as successful. 

No, Gaga didn't play in theatres, in fact Gaga played six stadium shows and had a 100% sold-out rate in all arenas she played at.

Instead of performing at The Forum or Staples Center, Britney chose the smaller venue that is Hard Rock Event Center. Instead of Birmingham Arena, Britney chose Genting Arena (which is so small). Instead of Madison Square Garden in New York, Britney chose Radio City Music Hall. Not to mention the rest of the venues are mostly casinos and hotels.

She won't gross over $90 million like Joanne World Tour did.

[Bradley 54,988]

4 minutes ago, mzncb said:

Let's not forget that Britney is 20 years into her (music) career and Gaga is 10 years into hers.

Overall, obviously it would be 26 years in her entertainment career.

Justin Timberlake and Beyonce are doing just fine.

[brit4ever 2,034]

Just now, Bradley said:

No, Gaga didn't play in theatres, in fact Gaga played six stadium shows and had a 100% sold-out rate in all arenas she played at.

Instead of performing at The Forum or Staples Center, Britney chose the smaller venue that is Hard Rock Event Center. Instead of Birmingham Arena, Britney chose Genting Arena (which is so small). Instead of Madison Square Garden in New York, Britney chose Radio City Music Hall. Not to mention the rest of the venues are mostly casinos and hotels.

She won't gross over $90 million like Joanne World Tour did.

And POM is a 5 years old show that has sold 1 Million tickets in the US, offcourse she is not gonna do big and many shows in the US with POM when all her US fans have seen it, some multiple times even. 

The theaters she is performing in were offered to her by Live Nation, the company behind POM that secured her deal with Planet Hollywood, which works with other theaters and hotels across the US. They offered her to perform in small venues for a big check and she was in + it's a rehearsal for the European leg.

POM is doing just as good, if not better than JWT in Europe. Both have shows in The O2, Manchester Arena, Mercedes-Benz Arena, AccorHotels Arena and etc. Britney's shows are sold-out as well, despite the tickets being twice as expensive as those for JWT. In Europe Britney is selling the same numbers as Gaga and on higher prices.

[Bradley 54,988]

3 minutes ago, brit4ever said:

And POM is a 5 years old show that has sold 1 Million tickets in the US, offcourse she is not gonna do big and many shows in the US with POM when all her US fans have seen it, some multiple times even. 

The theaters she is performing in were offered to her by Live Nation, the company behind POM that secured her deal with Planet Hollywood, which works with other theaters and hotels across the US. They offered her to perform in small venues for a big check and she was in + it's a rehearsal for the European leg.

POM is doing just as good, if not better than JWT in Europe. Both have shows in The O2, Manchester Arena, Mercedes-Benz Arena, AccorHotels Arena and etc. Britney's shows are sold-out as well, despite the tickets being twice as expensive as those for JWT. In Europe Britney is selling the same numbers as Gaga and on higher prices.

I mean it's not our fault she doesn't reinvent her shows and instead chose to milk everything out of the Piece of Me concept? So how is it an excuse that 'everyone has seen it before, you can't blame the public for not showing up'?

Also if she could sell out arenas or stadiums, Live Nation would have booked different venues instead. The fact that Live Nation chose theatres and hotels for her is an indication that she could not.

Also let's see how much her Piece of Me Tour grosses if her ticket prices are in fact higher than Gaga's. I mean Gaga cancelled her tour halfway, so that's a fair advantage for Britney right?

[brit4ever 2,034]

10 minutes ago, Bradley said:

I mean it's not our fault she doesn't reinvent her shows and instead chose to milk everything out of the Piece of Me concept? So how is it an excuse that 'everyone has seen it before, you can't blame the public for not showing up'?

Also if she could sell out arenas or stadiums, Live Nation would have booked different venues instead. The fact that Live Nation chose theatres and hotels for her is an indication that she could not.

Also let's see how much her Piece of Me Tour grosses if her ticket prices are in fact higher than Gaga's. I mean Gaga cancelled her tour halfway, so that's a fair advantage for Britney right?

PoM has only half the dates though, offcourse it won't outgross JWT. PoM is a residency on the road that's been performed for half a decade already, people won't see the same show million times and Live Nation took in mind that and booked small venues, which is logical. You can't expect that a recycled, 5 years old residency would do as good as newly established tour. 

My point is that in Europe, where the show is new to the public, Britney generated the same interest as Gaga, despite your claims that she has declined(which se has, but it's not as dramatic as you described it). You can't say Britney is underperforming and so on, when she pulls similar numbers to Gaga's, who you and many others regard as successful, if Gaga is considered successful touring artist, Britney should be as well.

[Gagadonna 10,801]

I hate Beyonce but Taylor is more overrated than her 

[The Bling 12,253]

Taylor of course she's an average singer, she's a **** performer, she has zero stage pressence. Why do people give her all their money again?

Gays now stan her because she's succesful, it's pretty simple. Wherever a female is slaying, the gays will hoard

[Pop Music 20,522]

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