Gay couple publically whipped under Sharia in Indonesia

[Melech 9,900]

4 minutes ago, lego said:

 

Preach. People act like Islam is new to Europe, it’s not, it’s centuries old. Like Muslims are new to Europe, they’re not, they were systematically raped, persecuted and killed just 25 years ago, while whole Europe was watching. They’re still digging up the bones! Everyone seems to forget about that.

What is (relatively) NEW tho, it’s refugee crisis from Syria, Iraq and other ME and NA countries, so it’s clear when people say “leave your culture and your religion” or “clash of cultures”, it’s clearly aimed at brown people.  

I don't think @Mythos meant the culture as in cultural traditions, more the homophobia etc. that is prevelant among Middle Eastern countries. That's I think what he meant with leaving culture and religion behind.

[A Hybrid 11,049]

People here are saying discriminating muslims is okay because you don’t choose to be gay but you can choose to believe in something or not 

NO ONE CAN JUST CHANGE THEIR BELIEF, JUST LIKE THEY CAN’T SUDDENLY BELIEVE IN UNICORNS

[lego 44,165]

2 minutes ago, Melech said:

I don't think @Mythos meant the culture as in cultural traditions, more the homophobia etc. that is prevelant among Middle Eastern countries. That's I think what he meant with leaving culture and religion behind.

 

Many Christians from Eastern Europe are just as homophobic, but they’re not regularly told to leave their culture and religion when they move to West. 

 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, lego said:

 

Many Christians from Eastern Europe are just as homophobic, but they’re not regularly told to leave their culture and religion when they move to West. 

 

Even if that were the case (which isn't),  homophobia among ME shouldn't be adressed?

 

 

[Mythos 3,199]

1 minute ago, lego said:

 

Many Christians from Eastern Europe are just as homophobic, but they’re not regularly told to leave their culture and religion when they move to West. 

 

Actually i do, all the time, mostly cause one half of my family is from eastern europe, and they are orthodox catholics, so i had to have fights my whole life, and i never wanted to have anything to do with the culture, nor i want it here, leave it at home, and if you want your new place to be as old, then just stay at your old place.

3 minutes ago, Melech said:

I don't think @Mythos meant the culture as in cultural traditions, more the homophobia etc. that is prevelant among Middle Eastern countries. That's I think what he meant with leaving culture and religion behind.

 Yes i did actually, i don't care for it, nor do i want to see it around me. It's different when i visit Turkey or whatever, it's their country, i respect it, but i don't need it at home.

[lego 44,165]

Just now, Melech said:

Even if that were the case (which isn't),  homophobia among ME shouldn't be adressed?

 

 

 

No one said that!

And “which it isn’t”??? that’s exactly the case. Please show me the threads where multiple people are complaining about white Europeans from the East ruining their culture in West. 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, lego said:

 

No one said that!

And “which it isn’t”??? that’s exactly the case. Please show me the threads where multiple people are complaining about white Europeans from the East ruining their culture in West. 

You indicated it, because apparently criticising homophobia in Islam is directed at brown people

[lego 44,165]

10 minutes ago, Melech said:

I don't think @Mythos meant the culture as in cultural traditions, 

 

3 minutes ago, Mythos said:

 

 Yes i did actually, i don't care for it, nor do i want to see it around me. It's different when i visit Turkey or whatever, it's their country, i respect it, but i don't need it at home.

 

And you liked this Simon.

How is this not xenophobia and racism? 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, lego said:

 

 

And you liked this Simon.

How is this not xenophobia and racism? 

liked it for the first part.

[lego 44,165]

Just now, Melech said:

You indicated it, because apparently criticising homophobia in Islam is directed at brown people

 

People are talking about “dangers” of immigrants and refugees, people are generalizing and acting like Islam is new in Europe. It’s clearly fear from brown people. 

[Mythos 3,199]

Just now, lego said:

 

 

And you liked this Simon.

How is this not xenophobia and racism? 

I don't believe that my race is superior to any other race, i have nothing against africans, i have nothing against middle eastern people, asians or so on, i would never hurt anyone, nor would i vote for a far-right party, i just want my home to stay my home, i want to feel at home, why is it so bad? Why do i need to accept all the change? 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, lego said:

 

People are talking about “dangers” of immigrants and refugees, people are generalizing and acting like Islam is new in Europe. It’s clearly fear from brown people. 

And homophobia is a thing among refugees, thats why there are extra refugee camps for gay refugees. It has nothing to do with the skin color. As long as they accept a secular world view, there are no problems.

[lego 44,165]

12 minutes ago, Mythos said:

I don't believe that my race is superior to any other race, i have nothing against africans, i have nothing against middle eastern people, asians or so on, i would never hurt anyone, nor would i vote for a far-right party, i just want my home to stay my home, i want to feel at home, why is it so bad? Why do i need to accept all the change? 

 

You do believe your race and culture is superior, because you want to strip other people from their own identity and culture (and you admit it’s not only about homophobia which is WW), because you are afraid of mixing of cultures. Ask yourself, why you don’t “feel at home” if your neighbor eats different foods or dresses differently than you or talks other language? If he’s not harming you, what is the issue?

Textbook xenophobia. 

 

(This is also the reason you understand AfD)

[lego 44,165]

15 minutes ago, Mythos said:

Actually i do, all the time, mostly cause one half of my family is from eastern europe, and they are orthodox catholics, so i had to have fights my whole life, and i never wanted to have anything to do with the culture, nor i want it here, leave it at home, and if you want your new place to be as old, then just stay at your old place.

 

Orthodox or Catholic? What exactly is Orthodox Catholic? You may do it in your free time, most people don’t. It’s not talked about on the news, in the media, not even on this forum. The “culture clashes” between white East Europeans and Western Europeans was never the hot topic.

Open or make any thread on GGD about East European committing crime in West and count how many people will start to blame Christianity and his culture. I’ll wait. 

[Mythos 3,199]

15 minutes ago, lego said:

 

You do believe your race and culture is superior, because you want to strip other people from their own identity and culture (and you admit it’s not only about homophobia which is WW), because you are afraid of mixing of cultures. Ask yourself, why you don’t “feel at home” if your neighbor eats different foods or dresses differently than you or talks other language? If he’s not harming you, what is the issue?

Textbook xenophobia. 

Definition of xenophobe

: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobe

As i said, i don't think that my race or culture is superior, i wouldn't have a problem to admit it, if it was that way. But i have never felt that way.

Why i don't feel at home? Cause in my life strong women have always played an important role. They have built countries in Europe after WWI and II from nothing. Freedom of sexuality, which we have fought for so long, i don't like Mosques being build around me, i don't like seeing people going to pray at the university each day, each day less and less people talking the language i understand and so on.

You say i rob them of their identity, but aren't their robing me of my identity? It's expected from me to accept them for whatever reasons, cause if not i'm racist, but if i will be accepted by them is not that important, is it? Cause again, i'm racist, if i even in slightest say i have problem with handscarfs, Burka, woman walking behind a men like a dog.

Maybe at the end of the day i am even xenophobe, but by you throwing it at me, it doesn't feel me bad in anyway, i am at my home, and i should make rules, not people who want to come here and start a new life (which are they welcomed to, but should adapt).

And this is also one of the big issues we have in Europe, we are not allowed to talk about this things without everyone throwing racist/xenophoe/islamphobe slurs at us. And i don't think this is beneficial at all, it will just get worst with time. 

 

@lego

Don't know how to translate it, is it called just Orthodox Church or Orthodox christians.

You may not know this, but there are still many issues, or has been till the immigrants, with eastern europeans. Swiss had a lot of issues with people from Balkan, called them even shitty jugos all the time. Brits have problems with people from Polen etc., it's not like there haven't been any problems in the years before. Now all the attention has just shipped to the immigrants, cause millions came suddenly, and nobody was prepared.