Twitter calling for Bill Maher firing now

[Eighteen 5,430]

 

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so i think people are having a difficult time understanding where i'm coming from. the best sort of perspective i can give on it that KIND OF comes from my point of view is the whoopi goldberg interview about mel gibson when he went and said a bunch of n words and stuff on the phone and the tape later released to the press.

now: disclaimer before people start rattling off about how i don't know roseanne personally: yeah, i don't. i simply use this as an example of how someone who says a racist word or a racist joke doesn't, in the view of everybody, paint them as a racist right off. it's, in my view, more complicated than that. 

 

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His hatred of muslim people should be enough to get him fired tbh. 

[Eighteen 5,430]

3 minutes ago, SolidSnake said:

His hatred of muslim people should be enough to get him fired tbh. 

i disagree too on bill maher's view of muslims. in my perspective that's not cause to be fired, but i always cringe when islam becomes a topic of conversation because i don't think he gets it and is quite conservative regarding that. 

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16 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Lol, Roseanne is pretty racist, idk why you are hesitant to get on board with that...

In fact im curious, what makes someone A Racist to you? Please respond @Eighteen

I don't like Bill Maher as I believe he's become dangerously centrist with his disavowel (and complete misunderstanding) of "identity politics" and hes advocated that Democrats leave and distance themselves from people like "special snowflakes" if they want to win politically.

But I do/did generally appreciate his platform and he is pretty good at having Conservatives on his show and utterly demolishing their opinions live because they are so ridiculous anyone with a critical mind can tell. I don't think hes more racist than any other or most "average" white people, and while the joke definitely left a bad taste in my mouth, it was clear that this was a very BAD joke that should have been thought through, and not him making a racist statement towards black people or about black people (or any other people of color), so I think this is a false equivalency. Can't say the same about Roseanne, as she willfully, in a serious manner, has insulted black people and used racial epithets, and also peddle conspiracy theories by alt right (read: white supremacists) persons.

 

I think the majority of people on twitter calling for Maher to be fired are conservatives who are not referring to his "house n*gga" joke from a while back, but to him constantly comparing Trump to an orangutan.

They seem to be under the mistaken impression that comparing a white person to a primate (as Maher does) and black person to a primate (as Rosanne did) is comparable.

 

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8 minutes ago, SolidSnake said:

His hatred of muslim people should be enough to get him fired tbh. 

 

Bill Maher doesn't hate Muslims, he is a critic of Islam. Not everyone who is critical of Islam is Islamophobic. You and I may not agree with everything he has to say about Islam, but reducing things to a "love or hate" "bigot or hero" level of discourse is dishonest and childish.

A man shouldn't be fired because you are unable to have a nuanced conversation about Islam, tbh.

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5 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Bill Maher doesn't hate Muslims, he is a critic of Islam. Not everyone who is critical of Islam is Islamophobic. You and I may not agree with everything he has to say about Islam, but reducing things to a "love or hate" "bigot or hero" level of discourse is dishonest and childish.

A man shouldn't be fired because you are unable to have a nuanced conversation about Islam, tbh.

"It speaks volumes about why liberal western culture is not just different. It’s better. President Obama keeps insisting that Isis is not Islamic. Well, maybe they don’t practice the Muslim faith in the same way he does." Bill Maher 

“But. If vast numbers of Muslims across the world believe – and they do - that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the Muslim world have something in common with Isis. It has too much in common with Isis.” Bill Maher

"Absolutely. Because they’re violent. Because they threaten us. And they are threatening. They bring that desert stuff to our world …We don’t threaten each other, we sue each other. That’s the sign of civilized people. And they don’t ... People who want to gloss over the difference between western culture and Islamic culture and forget about the fact that the Islamic culture is 600 years younger and that they are going through the equivalent of what the west went through with our middle ages, our dark ages when religion had way too much power … do so at their peril.” Bill Maher 

"What’s fascetious about that argument is that the kooks and the terrorists in the Christian and the Jewish world are truly just a little fringe. And in the Muslim world they draw from a vast pool of support, which is not in any other religion. So don’t try and feed me that line.” Bill Maher 

It takes a simple google search. Bill Maher isnt interested in facts on the Islamic religion. He paints them all as terrorists. Hes not interested in a nuanced debate. But I guess referring to a religion as "Desert stuff" isnt in any way bad.

[SolidSnake 2,804]

False claims that most muslims support terrorist attacks. 

 

Compares Zayn Malik to the boston marathon bomber. 

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Just now, SolidSnake said:

"It speaks volumes about why liberal western culture is not just different. It’s better. President Obama keeps insisting that Isis is not Islamic. Well, maybe they don’t practice the Muslim faith in the same way he does." Bill Maher 

“But. If vast numbers of Muslims across the world believe – and they do - that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the Muslim world have something in common with Isis. It has too much in common with Isis.” Bill Maher

"Absolutely. Because they’re violent. Because they threaten us. And they are threatening. They bring that desert stuff to our world …We don’t threaten each other, we sue each other. That’s the sign of civilized people. And they don’t ... People who want to gloss over the difference between western culture and Islamic culture and forget about the fact that the Islamic culture is 600 years younger and that they are going through the equivalent of what the west went through with our middle ages, our dark ages when religion had way too much power … do so at their peril.” Bill Maher 

"What’s fascetious about that argument is that the kooks and the terrorists in the Christian and the Jewish world are truly just a little fringe. And in the Muslim world they draw from a vast pool of support, which is not in any other religion. So don’t try and feed me that line.” Bill Maher 

It takes a simple google search. Bill Maher isnt interested in facts on the Islamic religion. He paints them all as terrorists. Hes not interested in a nuanced debate. 

 

 

Here are just a few, of his many, criticism of Christianity. He has spent the majority of his career railing against every organized religion, so it isn't difficult to cherry pick comments he has made about a specific religion and paint him out as a bigot of one over the other. If you think he hates Muslims, you must by extensions believe he hates Christians.

As for the video of him on Kimmle, that was directly in the wake of a dozen of his fellow satirists and critics of Islam being murdered, so I'll cut him some slack if he got one of his cited statistics incorrect.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, SKANK said:

 

 

Here are just a few, of his many, criticism of Christianity. He has spent the majority of his career railing against every organized religion, so it isn't difficult to cherry pick comments he has made about a specific religion and paint him out as a bigot of one over the other. If you think he hates Muslims, you must by extensions believe he hates Christians.

As for the video of him on Kimmle, that was directly in the wake of a dozen of his fellow satirists and critics of Islam being murdered, so I'll cut him some slack if he got one of his cited statistics incorrect.

 

 

 

 

 

Boldface #1: Irrelevant to his bigoted opinions and often times racist opinions on muslims. Whataboutism doesnt really fly in this one.

Boldface #2: Nice try, but he continues to cite the exact same statistics as those in numerous interviews.

[Eighteen 5,430]

i don't want to let this devolve into an argument about islam but i think we can all agree that painting with a broad stroke of a brush is always bad, that it's always more complicated than it looks at the surface, and that bill maher does do that from time to time regarding this particular issue (islam). 

i will say (rather ironically :/) that religion in general (not just islam, ALL religion) is a problem and has done far more harm than good in the long run of history from my perspective. needless wars, needless persecutions, needless hate, needless needless.

 

 

 

 

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He should have been fired a long time ago. I don’t get why he’s a thing. Why does he have a popular platform when there are better representations of the left than him. 

[River 116,744]

I think it was a bit rushed, they could give her the time to apologize, it's not like Kevin Spacey, in his case everything was very serious and he had to be punished by being axed from his show...

In some sense, even if the tweet was really bad and disgusting, it's just a tweet and for a tweet you shouldn't send home many people, especially for a person that you already knew that was problematic.. they all knew, so why to renew it once again?

It's just shows how everything is so irresponsible and immature..

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14 minutes ago, SolidSnake said:

Boldface #1: Irrelevant to his bigoted opinions and often times racist opinions on muslims. Whataboutism doesnt really fly in this one.

Boldface #2: Nice try, but he continues to cite the exact same statistics as those in numerous interviews.

 

Can you explain what statistics he is citing that are incorrect? I'm genuinely curious.

 

6 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

i don't want to let this devolve into an argument about islam but i think we can all agree that painting with a broad stroke of a brush is always bad, that it's always more complicated than it looks at the surface, and that bill maher does do that from time to time regarding this particular issue (islam). 

i will say (rather ironically :/) that religion in general (not just islam, ALL religion) is a problem and has done far more harm than good in the long run of history from my perspective. needless wars, needless persecutions, needless hate, needless needless.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with everything you said.

 

 

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Just now, SKANK said:

 

Can you explain what statistics he is citing that are incorrect? I'm genuinely curious.

 

 

I agree with everything you said.

 

 

That a majority of the muslim community while they wont commit violence actively supports terrorism and attacks on innocent civilians. Its incorrect.

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Just now, SolidSnake said:

That a majority of the muslim community while they wont commit violence actively supports terrorism and attacks on innocent civilians. Its incorrect.

 

You are misquoting him.

From that interview: “I know most Muslim people would not have carried out an attack like this. But here’s the important point: Hundreds of millions of them support an attack like this. They applaud an attack like this. What they say is, ‘We don’t approve of violence, but you know what? When you make fun of the Prophet, all bets are off.”

Specifically in regards to the Charlie Hebo attack, a poll by ComRes for the BBC showed that over a quarter of British Muslims sympathized with the attackers.

Here is a pretty bleak study released by Pew in 2013 about global attitudes in the Muslim community about issues like apostasy and blasphemy.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf