Austria to ban hijab in primary schools and kindergarten

[Florian 20,017]

12 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Kids don't have to wear a hijab if they don't want to, it can still be that refuge to students who fell that way, but in attempting to create a "refuge" you're also discriminating against children that want to wear a hijab. Students should be allowed to wear what they want, within reason, and a hijab stops no one from learning.

If parents force a kid to wear something he/she will wear it. If kids decide to take it off at school and their parents get to know itthey'll be punished. That's why it has to be a rule; that way, parents can't punish the kid for taking it off. Wearing a religious sign at school can also be the source of bullying inside the school which go against the best interest of the kid.

And about the "descriminating children who want to wear hijab" I am not talking about the Austrian law. I was talking about every religious signs (cross, star, whatever else you can wear), not only the hijab  

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, ZacharyMark said:

Children are actually quite smart. And there are many Muslim girls who choose to wear it. Have you interviewed and watched educational videos on such topics? I don't understand why you are putting blanket statements over people who have clearly shown signs of deciding on their own. 

Where did you saw a statement when i said "The question is" 

[Melech 9,900]

47 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said:

I don't see them banning crosses or a jewish necklace...

Wearing islamic necklaces is not banned either. 

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, FATCAT said:

How are Hijabs impeding the schools ability to teach? This seems like a direct attack of Muslim citizens. In America, it would be extremely unconstitutional to ban.

You can't compare US and European constitutions cause European countries are in general more anti-religion than the US

 

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, Postboy said:

People bringing up the “argument” of letting children choose what to wear (for the sake of anti-hijab) the majority of school children in many places are forced to wear school uniforms or forced to wear boy vs. girl clothes or forced to wear or forced to wear their hair a certain way. Children all across the world are told what to wear by their parents. There’s absolutely nothing controversial about that. 

Double standards with an anti-Muslim agenda. Posted by none other than Melech, of course lol. Like, dude, are you a hardcore Zionist or something? Is that why you’re always posting articles to spur an anti-Muslim conversation? 

Regardless, I support banning all religious paraphernalia in public schools lol. 

  How is the post anti-Muslim? At all it rather brings Austria in a bad light. 

[Blade 5,603]

2 hours ago, Florian said:

They can still practice their religion outside of school. I don't see any problem. And I won't even discuss of the ethical issue engendered by forcing a religion on a child.

Every State should be secular imo, religions only divide people into groups which is not in the interest of the nation. You're free to believe in what you want, you're free to practice any religion that you want. But no religious signs should be seen in State institutions (public schools, public hospitals, etc)

The thing is, I live in Austria and I grew up in a muslim household (I don‘t consider myself muslim anymore though) and I know many muslim families. Sadly, it‘s not as easy as saying „they can practise their religion outside of school“. The families that FORCE their child to wear a hijab will not tolerate this ban. They will rather not send their kid to school anymore than let the right-wing win. I‘ve heard & seen this happen many times, where the parents just don‘t let their daughter go to school. Is that fair to you? The government should rather give the girls who wear hijab more opportunities to integrate into society & help them with their education.

 Also this ban will most certainly result in more hate towards the government. Imagine the girls who WANT TO wear a hijab (which i feel like many on this site don‘t think about) and then having this right to wear what they want & practise their religion like their christian, jewish etc. friends, taken away. Those people will grow an inner hate. Is that fair to you? It‘s so canting of the government to say „we do this so that those girls don‘t get oppressed & have better chances to integrate themselves into society“ because it‘s so obvious that that‘s not AT ALL what they are trying to do here. And it frustrates me even more that people actually fall for it lol.

and it‘s even more frustrating to see so many hateful, narrow minded & inequal comments on GagaDaily. I mean, Gaga‘s biggest message has been equality... 

again - i‘m not saying that forcing children to wear hijabs is right AT ALL but this is not they right way to end that kind of oppression. 

2 hours ago, Unites said:

She can wear it at home. 

 

1 hour ago, JupiterDrive said:

Good job Germany should ban it too 

 

[Florian 20,017]

4 minutes ago, vocalqueef said:

The thing is, I live in Austria and I grew up in a muslim household (I don‘t consider myself muslim anymore though) and I know many muslim families. Sadly, it‘s not as easy as saying „they can practise their religion outside of school“. The families that FORCE their child to wear a hijab will not tolerate this ban. They will rather not send their kid to school anymore than let the right-wing win. I‘ve heard & seen this happen many times, where the parents just don‘t let their daughter go to school. Is that fair to you? The government should rather give the girls who wear hijab more opportunities to integrate into society & help them with their education.

 Also this ban will most certainly result in more hate towards the government. Imagine the girls who WANT TO wear a hijab (which i feel like many on this site don‘t think about) and then having this right to wear what they want & practise their religion like their christian, jewish etc. friends, taken away. Those people will grow an inner hate. Is that fair to you? It‘s so canting of the government to say „we do this so that those girls don‘t get oppressed & have better chances to integrate themselves into society“ because it‘s so obvious that that‘s not AT ALL what they are trying to do here. And it frustrates me even more that people actually fall for it lol.

and it‘s even more frustrating to see so many hateful, narrow minded & inequal comments on GagaDaily. I mean, Gaga‘s biggest message has been equality... 

 

 

As I said before I'm not talking about the Austrian law. I'm talking about not allowing every religious signs at school. I think the Austrian law is unfair and would be considered unconstitutional in most country since it only target one religion.

Also are you calling me "hateful, narrow-minded and inequal" ? Because if you do we'll have an issue  Secularism is none of them and neither am I.

[Blade 5,603]

4 minutes ago, Florian said:

As I said before I'm not talking about the Austrian law. I'm talking about not allowing every religious signs at school. I think the Austrian law is unfair and would be considered unconstitutional in most country since it only target one religion.

Also are you calling me "hateful, narrow-minded and inequal" ? Because if you do we'll have an issue  Secularism is none of them and neither am I.

Oh okay, I guess then we‘re on the same page lol

and no, I wasn‘t directing that at you. I should‘ve made that clear in my post

[Economy 52,842]

4 hours ago, A Hybrid said:

Well, parallel societies? Bit of a stretch, huh?

But I don't think kindergarten or primary school kids are mature enough to make the decision to wear a hijab and I feel sad that they are being forced by their parents.

Kids that age are forced to do stuff by their parents all the Time. Its not unique to religious parents

[A Hybrid 11,049]

2 hours ago, ZacharyMark said:

I don't think you even understand the significance of the decision to wear one, buddy.

Thank you for trying to show me the significance, buddy, but I live in a country where islam is the most common religion by far, we learn these things in schools and from thousands of people around us who choose to wear hijabs. I know a thing or two.

[A Hybrid 11,049]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Kids that age are forced to do stuff by their parents all the Time. Its not unique to religious parents

I know. I never said it was only the religious ones. I never compared it to anything else, just thought it's sad that parents choose a sign of ''belief'' for their children. It certainly sounds harsher to me than for example a child growing with rock music therefore not liking hip hop as much.

[geopang 4,831]

I support this. No Should be forced to wear any garment due to indoctrination. No place for oppression in schools.

[FATCAT 60,888]

1 hour ago, Melech said:

You can't compare US and European constitutions cause European countries are in general more anti-religion than the US

 

That's why I said "In America"

[androiduser 7,438]

Great, I'm all for the ban

[Dayum 240]

The children aren't going to be hiding guns under their hijab. But I can see where he is coming from... and this is a minor issue. Let's not hop on a slippery slope. You can still practise Islam in Austria.