Austria to ban hijab in primary schools and kindergarten

[Florian 20,017]

14 minutes ago, Squeeshy Keety said:

Another day another right that society revokes with phony "motives"

They can still practice their religion outside of school. I don't see any problem. And I won't even discuss of the ethical issue engendered by forcing a religion on a child.

Every State should be secular imo, religions only divide people into groups which is not in the interest of the nation. You're free to believe in what you want, you're free to practice any religion that you want. But no religious signs should be seen in State institutions (public schools, public hospitals, etc)

[Delulu Rogers 7,658]

Too bad Canada is too liberal to do this. Girls wearing scarves at 5 years old is pretty ridiculous and I highly doubt they decide it for themselves. 

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, Squeeshy Keety said:

My qualms with Islam and religion in general are extensive, but revoking a right does not grant another. I disagree with forcing children to wear them but also with forcing them not to wear them.

The question is how much can a child decide if they want to wear a hijab or not. 

[littlepotter 76,610]

20 minutes ago, Florian said:

I'm not gonna talk for him but he was not promoting hijab, he was just hinting at the fact that it's unfair to target only one religious sign (and I agree with him; except when it comes to burqa).

And what do you mean "suffocating"?

 

 

12 minutes ago, darkness said:

They should ban EVERY religions or none. Period. 

how am i to respond to people who think banning burqas = banning religion? please educate yourselves this is embarrassing. i live in the arab world and know girls that age are NOT supposed to be wearing hijabs. it's not religion, it's opressive parenting.

[The Child 18,997]

38 minutes ago, Florian said:

That's what France does and I think it's the right thing to do, especially at those young age where the children can't really decide for themselves

Honestly France is ridiculous with this, high school girls should be able to wear it.

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Honestly France is ridiculous with this, high school girls should be able to wear it.

Hijabs are not allowed at all in high school? 

[The Child 18,997]

3 minutes ago, Melech said:

Hijabs are not allowed at all in high school? 

Not at all. I speak from experience here a girl was persecuted by her teachers because she was wearing a hijab outside my high school, our PE teacher even asked why she was wearing it.

I think that girls in high school who are from 15 to 18 years old should be able to make this decision for themselves.

[Squeeshy Keety 9,935]

21 minutes ago, Melech said:

The question is how much can a child decide if they want to wear a hijab or not. 

MIssing my point. You can't give someone the freedom of choice by revoking their freedoms. That is contradictory.

We are both opposed to the institutions of religion, but we become like the religion itself when we control what people choose. No matter the intents.

[Blade 5,603]

Lol some of the responses here  .... broaden your horizons and stop looking at things from only one perspective.

What about the little girl who looks up to her mother and wants to wear a hijab just like her, because she wants to?

 

[Melech 9,900]

12 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Not at all. I speak from experience here a girl was persecuted by her teachers because she was wearing a hijab outside my high school, our PE teacher even asked why she was wearing it.

I think that girls in high school who are from 15 to 18 years old should be able to make this decision for themselves.

Mess  I agree I think 15/16 is a good age where girls can decide 

[Not The Real Gaga 7,582]

5 minutes ago, vocalqueef said:

Lol some of the responses here  .... broaden your horizons and stop looking at things from only one perspective.

What about the little girl who looks up to her mother and wants to wear a hijab just like her, because she wants to?

 

She can wear it at home. 

[MonsterPaws 2,745]

1 hour ago, hunty said:

excuse me there's a really big ****ing difference between wearing a cute necklace and a child suffocating in a head scarf while other girls are braiding each other's hair. don't quote me expecting a response because i'm not going to argue with someone who thinks 10 year old girls wrapped up in hijabs to "hide their beauty" is okay

"Cute" and "suffocating" not a biased response with an appeal to emotion whatsoever .

First off, hijabs don't "suffocate" anyone.

Also, the person you replied to didn't day anything about thinking 10 year olds being wrapped up in hijabs to "hide their beauty" is okay so get off your high horse.

OT: I don't like the idea of targeting a religion but I do like that this would make it much easier for Muslim women to choose (instead of being told to wear or NOT to wear) the hijab if they'd like .

I believe in giving women (and in this case Muslim women) their autonomy of choice. Instead of being dragged by people saying that they're "being oppressed," "promiscuous" or just dirty "towel-heads." Which if you ever go on very liberal or conservative forums, subreddits, etc you'll hear plenty of (sadly...).

[River 127,321]

1 hour ago, hunty said:

excuse me there's a really big ****ing difference between wearing a cute necklace and a child suffocating in a head scarf while other girls are braiding each other's hair. don't quote me expecting a response because i'm not going to argue with someone who thinks 10 year old girls wrapped up in hijabs to "hide their beauty" is okay

hmm I didn't say my opinion about hijab or if I think it's ok or not in my post, I only said that things should be equal between all the religions, you ban 1 thing, ban the rest.. if not you just oppress one and give more power to the other.. and it's not correct.. doesn't matter what we personally believe about the hijab..

Now hear my opinion, I'm against forcing young kids to practice any religion, cut a part of their penis, cover them, drown them inside the water etc.

kids should be kids and they should choose what they want when they grow up.

If they want to put a hijab when they are 18, fine for me, their choice, if they want to circumcise when they are 18, also fine for me, but keep those poor little souls out of the parents ideas and beliefs..

I'm circumcised and it's killing me every single day so this fight is very very personal for me.

and If someone is getting horny by seeing the hair of a young girl and forcing her to cover it - shouldn't be part of society.

[Florian 20,017]

41 minutes ago, hunty said:

how am i to respond to people who think banning burqas = banning religion? please educate yourselves this is embarrassing. i live in the arab world and know girls that age are NOT supposed to be wearing hijabs. it's not religion, it's opressive parenting.

You're extrapoling what I'm saying. As far as I know burqa is a "religious sign"

36 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Honestly France is ridiculous with this, high school girls should be able to wear it.

No they should not. A 15 yo teen isn't mature enough.

34 minutes ago, Melech said:

Hijabs are not allowed at all in high school? 

Not since 2004 (I hope I'm correct) when they made a law to protect minors both from being forced to wear religious signs and being bullied because of them (because you know, teen are kinda dumb at this age ).

Religious signs (like Hijab and Kippah) are allowed in universities tho because it has always be seen as the sanctuary of freedom of expression and also because issues are very rare there.

Every now and then there are debates to know if it should or shouldn't be allowed tho.

30 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Not at all. I speak from experience here a girl was persecuted by her teachers because she was wearing a hijab outside my high school, our PE teacher even asked why she was wearing it.

I think that girls in high school who are from 15 to 18 years old should be able to make this decision for themselves.

That's an issue with your highschool in particular. Here the girls were coming to school in hijab, took it off in the hall and put it on again when they left the school. I've never seen any issues.

[FATCAT 60,886]

How are Hijabs impeding the schools ability to teach? This seems like a direct attack of Muslim citizens. In America, it would be extremely unconstitutional to ban.