Marlon Brando was trash

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10 minutes ago, Curunir said:

Somehow I read that in this voice:

OMG it was based on that vine  

i was gunna type american explain but idk they're american  

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Well Marlon had deep issues, I think you should watch the documentary "Listen to me : Marlon" (2016), he used to record his thoughts on tape and the docu is just him talking about himself, and you get to be in his psychee for a little while, in his own brain and thoughts and you can understand, and realize this man was not really a man but a little boy still trying to figure out why his mother left him, which made it impossible for him to commit to relationships or to be a father to his kids. He was a very trouble man, not trying to excuse what he did to women, or his kids, but you can't judge someone and see the world as just black or white, most of us are grey. We all have a dark side and brighter side, but overall you should never praise anybody, even less celebrities.

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4 minutes ago, kyanewest said:

Well Marlon had deep issues, I think you should watch the documentary "Listen to me : Marlon" (2016), he used to record his thoughts on tape and the docu is just him talking about himself, and you get to be in his psychee for a little while, in his own brain and thoughts and you can understand, and realize this man was not really a man but a little boy still trying to figure out why his mother left him, which made it impossible for him to commit to relationships or to be a father to his kids. He was a very trouble man, not trying to excuse what he did to women, or his kids, but you can't judge someone and see the world as just black or white, most of us are grey. We all have a dark side and brighter side, but overall you should never praise anybody, even less celebrities.

it doesn't make what he did any less disgusting. sure the world isn't black and white, but not only did he almost drive a woman to suicide, he was abusive and a sexual assaulter. those three things are some of the most horrible things anyone could be.

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Caravaggio was a violent murder. Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo both slept with their young apprentices. If Whitman, Wilde, Genet, and Irsherwood were still alive they would be sharing tricks with Kevin Spacy. Mozart and James Joyce were scatologically obsessed. Poe was a drunk who married his thirteen year old niece. Vincent van Gogh was violent, obsessive, and crazy. Warhol was cruel. Burroughs shot his wife. Ginsberg and Vidal got Kerouac drunk so he would blow them. The Founding Fathers were racist. Einstein, Kennedy, and Martin Luther King Jr. were all serial philanders.

Should an individuals contributions to our society be erased because they were deeply flawed?

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12 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Caravaggio was a violent murder. Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo both slept with their young apprentices. If Whitman, Wilde, Genet, and Irsherwood were still alive they would be sharing tricks with Kevin Spacy. Mozart and James Joyce were scatologically obsessed. Poe was a drunk who married his thirteen year old niece. Vincent van Gogh was violent, obsessive, and crazy. Warhol was cruel. Burroughs shot his wife. Ginsberg and Vidal got Kerouac drunk so he would blow them. The Founding Fathers were racist. Einstein, Kennedy, and Martin Luther King Jr. were all serial philanders.

Should an individuals contributions to our society be erased because they were deeply flawed?

Absolutely not, but in specific cases they should be seen for who they are, good and bad.

Remembered for their contributions to society, but at least seen and known as deeply flawed and severely imperfect.

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11 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Caravaggio was a violent murder. Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo both slept with their young apprentices. If Whitman, Wilde, Genet, and Irsherwood were still alive they would be sharing tricks with Kevin Spacy. Mozart and James Joyce were scatologically obsessed. Poe was a drunk who married his thirteen year old niece. Vincent van Gogh was violent, obsessive, and crazy. Warhol was cruel. Burroughs shot his wife. Ginsberg and Vidal got Kerouac drunk so he would blow them. The Founding Fathers were racist. Einstein, Kennedy, and Martin Luther King Jr. were all serial philanders.

Should an individuals contributions to our society be erased because they were deeply flawed?

i hope you're joking, bc this is quite disgusting.

we're all just gonna ignore the fact that Marlon forced a woman to abort and almost drove her to suicide, sexually assaulted another woman and was a violent **** bc he made nice movies?

i'm not saying his contribuitions should be erased. I'm saying people should stop praising him.

Vincent was mentally ill. Warhol was cruel, nobody's saying he was an angel. 

These people had important contribuitions, yet they weren't perfect. it's not necessary to erase their work to recognize that they were total cunts, some in different aspects.

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I mean sure but weren't most men (maybe people in general) **** back then, by today's standards?

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1 minute ago, Princess Zelda said:

I mean sure but weren't most men (maybe people in general) **** back then, by today's standards?

why are you guy trying to defend him with things like this? it doesn't change a ****ing thing. he still did what he did.

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Just now, HausOfAmericano said:

why are you guy trying to defend him with things like this? it doesn't change a ****ing thing. he still did what he did.

I'm not defending him, I didn't know any of that and now I think he was an asshole. I'm just saying I wouldn't expect many people from that time to be very decent. Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc were way more common, so? 

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Just now, Princess Zelda said:

I'm not defending him, I didn't know any of that and now I think he was an asshole. I'm just saying I wouldn't expect many people from that time to be very decent. Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc were way more common, so? 

yes, but it did sound like you were trying to defend him by using that lame argument of "it was more common back then, everyone did it"

sorry if I misunderstood you  

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41 minutes ago, HausOfAmericano said:

yes, but it did sound like you were trying to defend him by using that lame argument of "it was more common back then, everyone did it"

sorry if I misunderstood you  

You may be right about certain things but your tone is off. Calm the **** down and stop screaming at people who aren't even expressing their thoughts in an aggressive manner.

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5 minutes ago, HausOfAmericano said:

i hope you're joking, bc this is quite disgusting.

we're all just gonna ignore the fact that Marlon forced a woman to abort and almost drove her to suicide, sexually assaulted another woman and was a violent **** bc he made nice movies?

i'm not saying his contribuitions should be erased. I'm saying people should stop praising him.

Vincent was mentally ill. Warhol was cruel, nobody's saying he was an angel. 

These people had important contribuitions, yet they weren't perfect. it's not necessary to erase their work to recognize that they were total cunts, some in different aspects.

 

10 minutes ago, Miel said:

Absolutely not, but in specific cases they should be seen for who they are, good and bad.

Remembered for their contributions to society, but at least seen and known as deeply flawed and severely imperfect.

 

Humans aren't Disney characters. We aren't separated into categorizes of good and evil. Listing a person's flaws, as if they were solely defined by them, is as wrong as ignoring their flaws.

Brando didn't just star in "some movies." His impact on our culture is undeniable. He was a Social Justice Warrior before it was fashionable. He attended the March in Washington, and the Freedom Rides. He was arrested while participating in a sit-in. He picketed for the poor. When he won an Oscar he refused to accept the award, and sent an Apache representative in his place, to protest the treatment of indigenous American's in Hollywood. I

He was simultaneously abusive and charitable. Neither canceling out the other.

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20 minutes ago, BornSimon said:

You may be right about certain things but your tone if off. Calm the **** down and stop screaming at people who aren't even expressing their thoughts in an aggressive manner.

lmao sorry if i'm offended about ppl defending a disgusting man. how wrong of me.

 

6 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Humans aren't Disney characters. We aren't separated into categorizes of good and evil. Listing a person's flaws, as if they were solely defined by them, is as wrong as ignoring their flaws.

Brando didn't just star in "some movies." His impact on our culture is undeniable. He was a Social Justice Warrior before it was fashionable. He attended the March in Washington, and the Freedom Rides. He was arrested while participating in a sit-in. He picketed for the poor. When he won an Oscar he refused to accept the award, and sent an Apache representative in his place, to protest the treatment of indigenous American's in Hollywood. I

He was simultaneously abusive and charitable. Neither canceling out the other.

Yeah, so the fact he did good things doesn't mean he wasn't an abusive ****. That's what I was saying.

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Also I don't think Van Gogh was a bad person, he was just mentally ill, but you can't blame him for the lack of serotonin or whatever else in his brain. In a lot of his letters he would write to his brother, you can see how kind he was, he was just suffering and trying his best. 

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Thought this was common knowledge?

Jesus Christ. None of our heroes are angels. But in my country at least we get taught about who Mandela was before he went to prison. Hero worship isn't good for anyone. The bad is there with the good and we shouldn't pretend it doesn't define them as well.