Indonesia to ban gay sex

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20 hours ago, LePetitMonstr said:

lolz. I can't wait for global warming to do its job. Humans are a new level of tragic and annoying. 

I wish we were more chill creatures, like dogs for examples or birds. Just living their lives, and accepting each other. Birds and dogs dont give a **** bout colors, or what the other bitch's thoughts and beliefs are. We can't accept differences, we always reject what's different. The problem is we're all different, as much as we wanna pretend we're not. So we try focus on our similarities bcs somehow that's the only thing that doesn't upset us and create disharmony. But why this fear of difference?  

Makes me laugh when we dream of going to Mars and possibly have some kind of communication with extraterrasterial beings. They are the epitome of difference. So we seek the 'abnormal' to then try to destroy it, criticize it and have a war with it. It's what we done and did this whole time we were on this Earth and it's tiring tbh. Maybe it's the galaxy's/nature's way of tryna get rid of us, through global warming which is actually just our own poisonous gift we gave to ourselves cause we hate ourselves

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On 2/19/2018 at 12:32 PM, ARTPOPSlays said:

You can ban sex? 

But sweiously, gays will still have sex you can’t just stop them. It’s in private

They run the risk of being reported, god knows the consequences.

[Queen Gloria 3,464]

lmao @ the people trying to justify this in a mock-born this way attitude. Smh, get over yourselves. Not everything can be sugarcoated, this is horrible. 

[imnotyourbabe10 6,120]

Such a complex issue that involves institutions such as religion, government, families/relationships.  

Human beings are so hypocritical.  Dig deep and it makes sense that everything we do/construct comes from socialization and an innate fear of death (the so-called "Death Anxiety").         

Also, blame the various global, socioeconomic systems that create false needs of consumption (i.e., capitalism making cheap **** made on the backs of slave labor overseas).  

Thank goodness mother earth does know how to maintain herself over the billions of years she's been around.  

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Off-topic but I don't get this whole 

Islam is and Islam isn't 

Can we let people believe in whatever they want , that is PEACE 

Let's not blame it on religion 

Let's BLAME it on the People 

If a person feels they don't wanna do wtv for the sake of religion and it only involves them, then LET THEM BE and respect their faith. Ex: Any Girl that wishes to wear a headscarf out of her own personal choice. 

I can't with these people that think Religion is the root of all evil. Lol are you serious, perhaps to you modern generation who abides by pop culture and twitter slang see it that way but Religion has been a safe state of mind for millions if not billions since the dawn of time.

The problem is 

1-When you try to force your beliefs on others and threaten/abuse (physically or verbally) them if they don't accept/agree

2-When you treat a person differently (for worse) cause you don't agree with their personal religious beliefs or expressions even if they have nothing to do with you and only themselves (aka this whole phobia against a certain religion even though you don't know the whole story, have little to no experience with it and base your opinion on little to no fact)

CHILL Y'ALL

 

 

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I wish we could just live in peace...sigh...#WhereAreOurLeaders

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Nod if you wanna be
High with the enemy
It's a test
Of your stamina, do your best

Someday we won't have to have headlines like this.

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On 19-2-2018 at 3:59 PM, Korok said:

I'm tired of sympathizing for Islam. For years I have defended them because I thought that the west was the bigger bully but I don't have to defend a religion that would stone me for being who I am. Tired of liberals who muffle out the toxicity of these religions by victimizing them in the context of present-day news. 

YES, people are waking up on here  

[The Master 376]

On 2/20/2018 at 1:22 AM, JR Gg said:

 

Clearly you guys have not studied deeply into Islam and jumped straight to conclusions. I'm not even Islam but I do use my brains resourcefully thank you  

Clearly you haven't studied deep into Islam and just adhered to some public opinion. Islam is not a religion of peace

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On 2/19/2018 at 2:05 PM, Melech said:

"JAKARTA, Indonesia — Prodded by religious conservatives, Indonesia is moving toward outlawing gay sex — and even sex outside marriage — in a jarring change for a country long seen as a bastion of tolerance in the Islamic world.

The proposed sexual crackdown in the Southeast Asian archipelago of more than 260 million people — the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation and third-largest democracy — is drawing criticism at home and abroad from human rights organizations and LGBT activists. They warn that penal-code revisions now under consideration in parliament would discriminate against large numbers of people, promote extremist views and reverse democratic gains.

Ichsan Soelistio, a member of a special commission in the Indonesian House of Representatives working to update the country’s criminal code, said the body has reached consensus to include laws outlawing extramarital sex as well as gay sex, and is likely to do so soon but with some limitations."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/once-tolerant-indonesia-moves-to-outlaw-gay--and-extramarital--sex/2018/02/09/d82b7112-0b79-11e8-998c-96deb18cca19_story.html?utm_term=.fad2a5aa749e

No offense to the people of Jakarta but this city is becoming increasingly disgusting with their political beliefs #bornthiswayballthrowback

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The amount of hate to my country and my religion is huge here..

So let me say this straight, I am moslem, gay, and Indonesian.

What they banned is not "gay sex" but " sex without any marriage relationship" since straight sex without any marriage relationship could also be punished severely .. This norm has been formed in my country before , and now specifically said to gay also.

Western norm is different with our norm or any other asian norm, it is taboo to have sex in southeast asia without any marriage since it prevents rape etc.

I agree that everyone should have their right to have sex, but you cant force your western norm and value to another country.

It is sad that western rules are slowly damaging traditional culture.

Just sad that most member her ignores to ask opinion from the people within the country first

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14 minutes ago, Tomie said:

Western norm is different with our norm or any other asian norm, it is taboo to have sex in southeast asia without any marriage since it prevents rape etc.

I agree that everyone should have their right to have sex, but you cant force your western norm and value to another country.

It is sad that western rules are slowly damaging traditional culture.

Just sad that most member her ignores to ask opinion from the people within the country first

Oh please, we both know that is not how it is in practice. Lots of teenagers in Indonesia and other SEA countries now have freely having sex with their boyfriend or girlfriend. And to most adults, it is already a norm now, be it with their coworkers or their dates that they met in the club or online. 

Also, vision from the inside sometimes can be deluded in general. Because it is one dimensional. Sometimes intervention from the outside are needed. For example, Person A is having a toxic and abusive relationship with Person C. Person A either know but pretend everything is fine, or don't realize that they were abused. But Person A is a best friend to Person B, and Person B have observed from the outside for awhile and do the exact thing they need to do to rescue Person A; an intervention. And help Person A to kick Person C out of their life.

Another thing is, government lies to their citizen, a lot. What you hear is no always the truth. Only when you have someone who observed from outside know how it is look like. So, sometimes, it is also good to hear what outsiders trying to tell you. If your country is slowly radicalized and not one of you who live there actually realize it's happening until it's too late. For example, 1998, there are a huge national riot in the country. Many Chinese Indonesian were robbed, and the women were raped and killed by the locals. These were never once broadcasted within national news channels or newspaper. NOT ONCE. They only reported another subjects about the riot. But foreign media reported that, and shown how terrible it was. You can still read lots of these reports today if you like. Many of more fortunate Chinese Indonesian have since fled to another countries following this terrible event, getting asylum from many countries, from Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, Japan, Canada, England, to USA. While those who are not so wealthy, need to life in fear since, afraid that one day the locals with do the same thing again to them.

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4 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

Oh please, we both know that is not how it is in practice. Lots of teenagers in Indonesia and other SEA countries now have freely having sex with their boyfriend or girlfriend. And to most adults, it is already a norm now, be it with their coworkers or their dates that they met in the club or online. 

That does not mean it is right? lets say that a lot of people in US held Gun, so is it okay to normalize that? Most adult in the city, yes, but most place in rural area does nit allowed that, have you go to the rural area in SEA? if not, lets not further discuss this

 

6 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

Another thing is, government lies to their citizen, a lot. What you hear is no always the truth. Only when you have someone who observed from outside know how it is look like. So, sometimes, it is also good to hear what outsiders trying to tell you. If your country is slowly radicalized and not one of you who live there actually realize it's happening until it's too late. For example, 1998, there are a huge national riot in the country. Many Chinese Indonesian were robbed, and the women were raped and killed by the locals. These were never once broadcasted within national news channels or newspaper. NOT ONCE. They only reported another subjects about the riot. But foreign media reported that, and shown how terrible it was. You can still read lots of these reports today if you like. Many of more fortunate Chinese Indonesian have since fled to another countries following this terrible event, getting asylum from many countries, from Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, Japan, Canada, England, to USA. While those who are not so wealthy, need to life in fear since, afraid that one day the locals with do the same thing again to them.

Well I have experience work with many people with different background, I dont put my perspective on single one entity or one person. My opinion is structured from what I gain through living with many people with no education, whatsoever, what they need is basic human right, to eat and to live. There is zero gay men who help those people and they dont feel any presence of gay men in that place to protect them, so they have no reason to support the gay sex . 

I know about the 1998 tragedy, I am chinese myself, and my family endures that. It was bad tragedy, and I feel sorry with many people there. However my family are protected by the locals during that time and they know who my family is. Back then, Many  Chinese people is creating a gap in social and wealth between locals and themselves, especially in Jakarta which creates issue like white people and black people. Have you got another stories about that? No? yes, maybe because you never listen to other perspective than from reading western media and never talk with locals about it. Try to socialize next time.

 

Back to the topics, It is a Gay SEX which is forbidden along with all of illegal sexual act. It is fine if you are gay in relationship. 

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1 hour ago, Tomie said:

The amount of hate to my country and my religion is huge here..

So let me say this straight, I am moslem, gay, and Indonesian.

What they banned is not "gay sex" but " sex without any marriage relationship" since straight sex without any marriage relationship could also be punished severely .. This norm has been formed in my country before , and now specifically said to gay also.

Western norm is different with our norm or any other asian norm, it is taboo to have sex in southeast asia without any marriage since it prevents rape etc.

I agree that everyone should have their right to have sex, but you cant force your western norm and value to another country.

It is sad that western rules are slowly damaging traditional culture.

Just sad that most member her ignores to ask opinion from the people within the country first

I'm Indonesian, but I'm not moslem

People are having sex left and right, nobody should control and have the right to control what people should or should not do

Some people choose not to get married, so they can't have sex?

I hate religions (not just Islam) that always try to shove their beliefs down our throat, make them feel powerful and above the rest of us, acting all saint and all

I've seen so many hypocrites in my country, acting saint, ugh, makes me want to vomit

[Alphaz 7,969]

25 minutes ago, Tomie said:

That does not mean it is right? lets say that a lot of people in US held Gun, so is it okay to normalize that? Most adult in the city, yes, but most place in rural area does nit allowed that, have you go to the rural area in SEA? if not, lets not further discuss this

 

Well I have experience work with many people with different background, I dont put my perspective on single one entity or one person. My opinion is structured from what I gain through living with many people with no education, whatsoever, what they need is basic human right, to eat and to live. There is zero gay men who help those people and they dont feel any presence of gay men in that place to protect them, so they have no reason to support the gay sex . 

I know about the 1998 tragedy, I am chinese myself, and my family endures that. It was bad tragedy, and I feel sorry with many people there. However my family are protected by the locals during that time and they know who my family is. Back then, Many Chinese people is creating a gap in social and wealth between locals and themselves, especially in Jakarta which creates issue like white people and black people. Have you got another stories about that? No? yes, maybe because you never listen to other perspective than from reading western media and never talk with locals about it. Try to socialize next time.

 

Back to the topics, It is a Gay SEX which is forbidden along with all of illegal sexual act. It is fine if you are gay in relationship. 

You mean jealousy and racist?

Social and wealth gap will always be there regardless what race.

Does it make it okay to do those horrible things in 1998 and blaming on people because they creating social and wealthy gap?

Some people work their ass of to get where they are now.

Some people are just lazy and jealous, they just want an express pass to be rich, it ain't work like that.

I'm glad that you are Chinese and Moslem, and being protected during 1998.

But let me tell you how horrible it was for me and my family, my parents shops (years of hardwork) being looted and we were force out of our home, and we have to stayed in our friends home for weeks.

I have to take exam later on after those things cool down (with the rest of 6 students) with shoes that I borrowed from people, and my friend have to borrow shoes from teacher, because our stuff being looted.

I'll just let Karma bite them back