What do you make of the BBC’s review of the Birmingham show?

[MEDONER 1,676]

And mess at yall trashing her best tour to date aka JWT just because it didn't have a stupid cardboard castle. Move on little shallows. 

[Darcklighter22 2,358]

5 minutes ago, Ella Taylor said:

All of you should be ashamed, you're stuck in 2010! Learn how to accept change! 

I attended the Tour December 12th in Denver and I can tell you EVERYONE after the concert was completely floored by it, y'all are little brats expecting too much from Gaga complaining behind your screens! Sit down!

I can't speak for all but from my perspective, it's just openly discussing and comparing her previous tours. True the article was a little harsh but that's nothing new. We are a forum after all

 

Edit: for me the JWT is my favourite so far in terms of not having attended the BTWB and the artRAVE she had allot more material that I had never heard live before.

[ARTBOP 7,433]

It was a pop show. And a great one at that. Great performances, vocals on point, cool outfits, an amazing stage set up... She was passionate about performing it, and if you saw it live, it absolutely came across.

And let's just remember, this was supposed to be a short, 60 date tour, 5 months, from August to December, not a huge two year production like TMB or TBTWB.

[mezzanine 476]

4 minutes ago, TheQueenLG said:

All of you were praising the JWT after you went to and actually experienced it... And now you're bashing it for no good reason. Like seriously. 

Gaga poured her heart and soul into her performance every night, and now she is in great pain. Can we just talk about that for a bit rather than bash her for being too commercial on her least commercial album to date. 

we can live for it and love it, but that doesn't mean it is perfect or that we wouldn't change some aspects, you all need to chill, to say something like this doesn't mean you're dragging gaga or you're stopping loving her/her art/whatever 

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

Absolutely true

[FalsePromise 424]

artRave was a mess, songs cut in half etc. also visually dear Lord it hurt my eyes. JWT is much better in every aspect. Yes both are less good compared to TMB and BTWBall, they had a story line, the other two not s much.

It bothers me tho cuz till yesterday you were saying how good the show is and you couldn't wait to see it, traumatized by it being cancelled, and today you're like I'm glad I won't have to see it, you're right etc... 

Hopefully she delivers with LG6, in terms of music first of all, the rest should follow.

[ryanripley 86,575]

if those interludes aren't creative and gaga then idk what is 

[metalguru 1,553]

"I've always admired her as a singer and a writer, but more than that, I rated her highly as an artist. There was a moment when she really did seem to be taking up the art-pop baton handed on by the likes of Bowie, Roxy Music, Grace Jones, and The Fall."

 

Great writing. I got his point. And I really like his references. The Fall! Roxy!

[AndyGa 322]

This guy is so fake just wanna break the critical praise cycle given by artists , fans and critics so people are like owww and attract some readers. Like he talking about the show being non original and similar to all her shows or something like it's not new and playing it safe. How is it not original and safe when there is 9 new songs , no castle or raver girl and a new type of spectacular moving stage. Plus new choreo , playing guitar for the first time

And since when she being conservative or not is the focus of the show . Her voice and the production is the main thing and she still do it perfect. I give his review minus 2 stars outta 5

 

[Mr S 8,672]

It's true to an extent, but it's also not a bad thing. You can only rely on shocks for so long. And if you can only outdo previous shocks for so long. I prefer her career to be based on great music, great vocals, and some avant garde fashion.

I also bet that if she performed with something wild like a meat dress or equivalent, some reviews would critisize her for not growing.

What they said is true and the surprising thing is very few critics have mentioned it. I was wondering why others didn't. I think it's because, like I mentioned, while it's true, it's not a bad thing. It's called growth.

[REALITY 76,260]

Am I misinterpreting something? From the beginning you guys have loved the Joanne World Tour, what's with the sudden change of heart? Yes, there is an obvious shift in her theatrics, but considering the circumstances, I don't think it's bad or "tame." Yes, she's not being birthed out or anything, but you also have to remember what this album is, who it's meant for, and her image throughout the era. This era, while definitely meant for the fans, was also meant for the casual fans who only got to know Gaga as the "crazy, over-the-top" woman that she is. 

She announced and started selling tickets for this show at the Super Bowl—an event that is suppose to garner more "casual fans." The Super Bowl was also relatively "tame" considering what Gaga has done before, but that was a strategy in order to get more of those, like I said, "casual fans, casual listeners." The JWT is suppose to emulate that. It's more "casual" because a lot of people who bought the tickets bought them during the hype of the Super Bowl, where Gaga showed that she can put on a good show without having to be super theatrical.  

When Gaga's theatrical, she's stoned, and when she creates a more "commercial-friendly" tour and performance, you guys stone her for it too. So what do you want? Stop bitching that she's gone "too conservative." This isn't even conservative, I mean, the costumes, the performances, what about that is "conservative"? That it's too "mainstream pop"? No. Gaga manages to put her own twists into things to make it unique and entertaining. If "conservative" means getting on top of and dancing on a piano that lights up every time you hit a key with a bedazzled silver-sequenced jumpsuit on, then by all means, keep it "conservative" Gaga.

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

1 minute ago, mezzanine said:

we can live for it and love it, but that doesn't mean it is perfect or that we wouldn't change some aspects, you all need to chill, to say something like this doesn't mean you're dragging gaga or you're stopping loving her/her art/whatever 

I don't think it's cool to completely flip the script on your opinion on the JWT just because BBC gave her a negative review. Lots of you praised the JWT as her best tour ever and are just now saying that she wasn't creative and/or that she was too commercial. Give me a break. She is in considerable pain right now. 

[DelusionalGaga 29,579]

Gaga cancels her tour and suddenly all the haters come crawling in. I wish they'd leave for good 

[S0436 10,215]

Wait till you see the professional recording of the show, you will be creaming your pants 

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

Am I misinterpreting something? From the beginning you guys have loved the Joanne World Tour, what's with the sudden change of heart? Yes, there is an obvious shift in her theatrics, but considering the circumstances, I don't think it's bad or "tame." Yes, she's not being birthed out or anything, but you also have to remember what this album is, who it's meant for, and her image throughout the era. This era, while definitely meant for the fans, was also meant for the casual fans who only got to know Gaga has the "crazy, over-the-top" woman that she is. 

She announced and started selling tickets for this show at the Super Bowl—an event that is suppose to garner more "casual fans." The Super Bowl was also relatively "tame" considering what Gaga has done before, but that was a strategy in order to get more of those, like I said, "casual fans, casual listeners." The JWT is suppose to emulate that. It's more "casual" because a lot of people who bought the tickets bought them during the hype of the Super Bowl, where Gaga showed that she can put on a good show without having to be super theatrical.  

When Gaga's theatrical, she's stoned, and when she creates a more "commercial-friendly" tour and performance, you guys stone her for it too. So what do you want? Stop bitching that she's gone "too conservative." This isn't even conservative, I mean, the costumes, the performances, what about that is "conservative"? That it's too "mainstream pop"? No. Gaga manages to put her own twists into things to make it unique and entertaining. If "conservative" means getting on top of and dancing on a piano that lights up every time you hit a key with a bedazzled silver-sequenced jumpsuit on, then by all means, keep it "conservative" Gaga.

This ^^^