Media Sites Drag JT's new "Supplies" MV

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when u thought it was his joanne era but it was his witness 

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8 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

Did Gaga get dragged for Angel Down or Hey Girl? (sans that one NYT madonna stan) Or for singing Jazz & R&B songs? Did Adele & Amy Winehouse get dragged for singing soul?

No I'm half joking. Pink also didn't get dragged for What About Us.

But it just seems with certain white artists people are ready to drag them without even hearing it first.

But for what it's worth, Amy Winehouse was 10 years ago, in a different climate. Adele is a God. She is the exception to every rule there is.

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30 minutes ago, ordinarynam1310 said:

well this starting to look like his Witness more than his Joanne 

oh crap u beat me too it

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30 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

I don’t think Gaga would have been criticized as much as JT is being right now.   Yeah some irrelevant conservative site would want her head, but most mainstream media would sort of expect it. It’s meat-dress-wearing-no-matter-gay-straight-or-bi-lesbian-transgender-life GAGA we’re talking about. JT on the other hand just looks like he’s jumping on the bandwagon.  

I agree Gaga wouldn't be dragged because she herself has done social commentary in her music before. She is also an underdog like Pink I guess.

But if JT DIDN"T do anything woke, so many people would drag him for not. Just like they a re dragging Taylor for ignoring it. But if she DID put out something woke, she would be ripped into. It's an interesting dynamic I've noticed in this climate.

IMO his wokeness isn't any less genuine than say Beyonce when she jumped on the BLM bandwagon.

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jt was witnessed in a ditch in the Woods 

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I agree. I also find it weird how hip-hop influenced it is. It could be any hip-hop song only with JT's vocals. I thought it was gonna be somewhat Americana as advertised.

I like Filthy tho.

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The problem isn't that JT is making political art, it's that he's making bad political art. This is what happens when someone spends their entire life surrounded by obscene wealth, they lose all connection to what people are actually struggling with. So, when you make a political statement it ends up being overly broad, disconnected, and seemingly disingenuous.

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This is a fall-out I never expected. Such a harsh one too. It's so rare to see a male artist get dragged, especially the likes of JT, who's never done anything so controversial (minus the SB incident) as to anger anyone. I expected everyone to jump right on whatever he put out. It's refreshing to see a male artist dragged for the same stuff female artists usually are. If liberal outlets aren't behind him, the wider public could be even more harsh. When you've been slammed by the media for making a faux pas, it can have a knock-on effect with the public. We saw how the media not being on Gaga's side caused her downfall. I don't think for a moment that Justin expected this (low views, low likes, low chart positions, overall low interest, harsh critique from the media) especially mere weeks away from his SB gig. I can only imagine the panic going on behind the scenes.

2 hours ago, Supersonic said:

Well, it is only dragged when it is not genuine.

How do you interpret genuine, though? I've accused Beyonce of capitalising on BLM with her Lemonade era, especially the Formation video, saying her whole deal is monetary gain and I've been met with a very frosty reception for this.

2 hours ago, Kimihiro said:

Uh oh, his team better fix this asap, they don’t want an ARTPOP/Witness style media turnaround during the super bowl. 

Exactly what I was thinking. But they don't have much time to do it. What could they do in this limited time frame? This is why releasing all his new work just before he does this gig was a bad idea. If the public isn't responding well beforehand, they might not respond well afterwards. This whole roll-out was designed to launch him back into the public eye with a bang and make everyone buy his album and tour tickets immediately, guaranteeing success out the gate. But it hasn't worked out that way. I think this is testament to how well Gaga did to do her gig when her album was 4 months old, the first single had been relatively unknown and she'd done very little promo of the second single. The fact she managed to get a sold-out US tour from that was pretty incredible, given the circumstances. Clearly, JT's team thought if he could launch his album just before he did it, and have his tour start the next month, he might do even better but now it's all up in the air.

2 hours ago, Supersonic said:

Did Gaga get dragged for Angel Down or Hey Girl? (sans that one NYT madonna stan) Or for singing Jazz & R&B songs? Did Adele & Amy Winehouse get dragged for singing soul?

Angel Down and Hey Girl weren't singles, so no one outside her fans knew about them. She's sung maybe one RnB song and it wasn't the biggest hit in the US and didn't have a video. Jazz is seen as an outdated genre that's not worth commenting on anymore. Adele's music is not soul in my mind, her voice doesn't sound soulful at all. Amy was launched back before SJWs and concepts of cultural appropriation existed and people didn't care about the colour of an artist's skin. How I miss those days. In comparison, have Beyonce, Kendrick Lamar, Jay Z, Childish Gambino, etc. been criticised for capitalising on BLM and "woke" causes? No, because apparently, when you're black, you have free licence to make whatever music you want and say whatever you want and be met with high praise and Grammy nominations into the bargain. But when you're white, you're white knighting and "using" disadvantaged groups to make money. Double standards.

1 hour ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

No I'm half joking. Pink also didn't get dragged for What About Us.

But it just seems with certain white artists people are ready to drag them without even hearing it first.

But for what it's worth, Amy Winehouse was 10 years ago, in a different climate. Adele is a God. She is the exception to every rule there is.

I think that's because What About Us was too vague, even her own fans said it. For someone who once wrote Dear Mr President, I expected something more specific. She played it safe, so she got away with it.

But I agree with you overall. Don't get me wrong, I've dragged white people for this...but I also equally drag black people. Because I'm all about treating people equally and I think a disengenuous attitude looks bad anyone, no matter their skin.

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The fall of Justin Timberlake is here omg 

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I’m just waiting for the full album. I feel like maybe all this technology in the video drives him to being a “man of the woods” and going away from technology - that’s my best bet.

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21 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Amy was launched back before SJWs and concepts of cultural appropriation existed and people didn't care about the colour of an artist's skin.

What?

Cultural Appropriation is not a new concept and has been talked about for years.

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3 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

What?

Cultural Appropriation is not a new concept and has been talked about for years.

Then why have we only heard the term used in the last 2 years? I literally never heard this phrase until then. Maybe the concept was under another name before? But this certainly wasn't a big deal back then. I remember a YouTube comment that once said that cultural appropriation was invented in 2003 and therefore, as it's such a new concept, really should be dissected more before waving it around with reckless abandon. People are just jumped on a trend now and it's exhausting.

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4 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Then why have we only heard the term used in the last 2 years? I literally never heard this phrase until then. Maybe the concept was under another name before? But this certainly wasn't a big deal back then. I remember a YouTube comment that once said that cultural appropriation was invented in 2003 and therefore, as it's such a new concept, really should be dissected more before waving it around with reckless abandon. People are just jumped on a trend now and it's exhausting.

“The concept of cultural appropriation emerged in academia in the late 1970s and 1980s as part of the scholarly critique of colonialism. By the mid-1990s, it had gained a solid place in academic discourse, particularly in the field of sociology.”

This from The Washington Post. Don’t worry, I agree that sometimes it is taken way too far or some things are called out that shouldn’t be. But it’s not an un-studied concept with no backing except “SJWs” on the internet. It’s a researched concept.

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Yall hijacked these review sites or what?

Fix them Joanne reviews while u at it 

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1 minute ago, Alexander Levi said:

“The concept of cultural appropriation emerged in academia in the late 1970s and 1980s as part of the scholarly critique of colonialism. By the mid-1990s, it had gained a solid place in academic discourse, particularly in the field of sociology.”

This from The Washington Post. Don’t worry, I agree that sometimes it is taken way too far or some things are called out that shouldn’t be. But it’s not an un-studied concept with no backing except “SJWs” on the internet. It’s a researched concept.

Interesting. I'd like to know why we're only just hearing about it recently, then. I can't imagine they had much to talk about in the 70's, when rap was only starting to be properly invented, before white people got involved in it, before rap attire is what it is, before white people got black hairstyles, before white people wore Native American headdresses to Coachella and suchlike.