Inferno 2,880 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, 1989monster said: I think the thing that bothers me most about her is that she has stopped putting in the effort that she used to. There used to be an artistic approach to everything she did. Everything had thought and intent behind it. This last album was a lazy attempt at a record that she created and put out in six months with Mark Ronson. Her other albums took years to curate and she collaborated with so many different producers/artists/creative directors/etc. Joanne was lazy, the Joanne Tour was lazy. I've seen every tour she has ever done, and she has lost her spark completely. She went through the motions at the Joanne Tour, and it was my least favorite tour she has ever done. I've been with her from the beginning and am disappointed in her. I get it. I get she wants to have somewhat of a normal life and be happy, but her work, music, and art have suffered tremendously. Gaga is the absolute opposite of lazy and the production of the JWT is complex and physically strenuous. Lazy is the wrong term to use. I think you're referring to the fact that she made a conscious effort to ditch her "everything under the kitchen sink" methodology to her videos/performances. Whether or not that made her boring to you is your own thing, I can agree shes become boring to an extent. But lazy is not an adjective that should ever be used to describe Lady Gaga. And as a sidebar, Joanne is ridiculously more thoughtful than ARTPOP, its odd to me that you would call this album lazy and the previous not. She could stuff as much as she wanted into that ARTPOP film, that didn't make it artful just because it was jampacked with imagery. Which is actually a problem I have with certain monster opinions, because theyd grown so accustomed to defending her stuffing a bunch of nonsense into her work that when she doesn't they think its boring/basic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Diamonster said: YAAASSSSS Honestly, I don't hate her today or stan her less, I adore the woman but you cannot deny that back then it was the day to be a monster, people would come to you, older relatives, and tell you about some Gaga look, it was amazing. And if Gaga is where she is now is because she made sure back then, that EVERYONE knew her name. But back then, either you loved her or you hated her, i dont miss the times were i was ashamed of saying i was a fan because everyone around me would be like, "how can you be a fan of that generic weirdo with a penis that dresses in whatever pile of trash she can find?". She might not be the daily conversation topic anymore, but at least she now has respect, even fudging trump fans respected her at the SB, all sorts of celebrities, polititians, musicians of every status, I feel like i finally can shout to the world that im her fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorns 487 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 hours ago, 1989monster said: I think the thing that bothers me most about her is that she has stopped putting in the effort that she used to. There used to be an artistic approach to everything she did. Everything had thought and intent behind it. This last album was a lazy attempt at a record that she created and put out in six months with Mark Ronson. Her other albums took years to curate and she collaborated with so many different producers/artists/creative directors/etc. Joanne was lazy, the Joanne Tour was lazy. I've seen every tour she has ever done, and she has lost her spark completely. She went through the motions at the Joanne Tour, and it was my least favorite tour she has ever done. I've been with her from the beginning and am disappointed in her. I get it. I get she wants to have somewhat of a normal life and be happy, but her work, music, and art have suffered tremendously. I don't think joanne is "lazy" I think its "I have a disability and millions of fans who are dying for a new album so lets do the best I can to give them an album soon". If it wasn't put out in six months yall would have been whining for it, but now because it was put out in six months shes lazy. I feel bad for Gaga honestly. Damned if you do damned if you don't. If you need me, you know where to find me: seeking validation and self-love in my dumpster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Inferno said: Gaga is the absolute opposite of lazy and the production of the JWT is complex and physically strenuous. Lazy is the wrong term to use. I think you're referring to the fact that she made a conscious effort to ditch her "everything under the kitchen sink" methodology to her videos/performances. Whether or not that made her boring to you is your own thing, I can agree shes become boring to an extent. But lazy is not an adjective that should ever be used to describe Lady Gaga. And as a sidebar, Joanne is ridiculously more thoughtful than ARTPOP, its odd to me that you would call this album lazy and the previous not. She could stuff as much as she wanted into that ARTPOP film, that didn't make it artful just because it was jampacked with imagery. This, and lets not forget that the lvl of work and promo she used to do, is what started to destroy her physical and mental health, i dont ever want to see her making another Princess Die. Im really glad she toned it down. And in terms of Art, ARTPOP was a fluke and everybody knows it -_- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariana Grindr 3,173 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 hours ago, MEDONER said: Oh look, another idiot talking shìt about The Fame era, HUGE surprise at least with the "disgusting" stuff you mentioned she looked unique and instantly recognisable, meanwhile nowadays she's obsessed with injecting **** on her face and looking like a kim kardashian clone more often than not. Instead of telling people how to stan or not an artist maybe you should spend your time schooling yourself and RESPECTING her past and all the things she went through to "be rich and healty and successful enough to have huge tours", because if she didn't accept every single opportunity she could to perform in front of whatever crowd she could to get known (and that includes clubs, parking lots, shopping malls, bars and lot more) she would be NOWHERE near as huge as she is now. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but she didn't get to perform at the Super Bowl because of ARTPOP, Cheek To Cheek, or Joanne but because she worked her ass off since TEN FKING YEARS AGO. Now go learn your mistakes or get the fùck outta here you motherfùcking disrespectful ass. (And I already know you probably won't get that reference anyway ) Respect GAGAs choice of injecting **** on her face her body not yours..k? K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, blackthorns said: I don't think joanne is "lazy" I think its "I have a disability and millions of fans who are dying for a new album so lets do the best I can to give them an album soon". If it wasn't put out in six months yall would have been whining for it, but now because it was put out in six months shes lazy. I feel bad for Gaga honestly. Damned if you do damned if you don't. I think Joanne is "can i finally make an album where i can put all my music influences since i was born, and not worry about how radio/mainstream friendly is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Slayer 402 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The old Gaga will always have a special place in my heart but now I feel she is on her way to legend status (she already is a legend in my book) but maybe it is a generation thing idk. I don’t mind the comparisons as long as that’s what they remain, Comparisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati 15,921 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 People compare her to who they fell in love with in the first place. It may be constraining and not be entirely fair but understandable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chromatislaps 34,851 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Arcanum said: Gaga 10 years ago was a powerful dominating force in the music industry not (just) in terms of sales, but in every aspect. The reason why u stan her today is because FameGa existed. The point everyone is making, and I totally agree with, is that we miss the days when every move of hers was a cultural & musical event. It's not about missing her being #1, it's about missing her incredible creative force in the media. This soooo much I want that magic feel about anything Gaga back I feel the early ARTPOP era still had a flair of this magic I hope she really plans out the next era, I'm pretty happy the Joanne era was a great succes with the tour, SBHTS, 5F2, Coachella, The Cure, MR, etc. But I'd like her to create groundbreaking music videos again, I need experimental bops. I like her toned down looks right now, but I'd love a bit of CrazyGa back The Tudor Watch thing was a great taste of that I need that in a vid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimblue 7,334 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Nostalgia is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts, and recycling it for more than what it’s worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, 1989monster said: I think the thing that bothers me most about her is that she has stopped putting in the effort that she used to. There used to be an artistic approach to everything she did. Everything had thought and intent behind it. This last album was a lazy attempt at a record that she created and put out in six months with Mark Ronson. Her other albums took years to curate and she collaborated with so many different producers/artists/creative directors/etc. Joanne was lazy, the Joanne Tour was lazy. I've seen every tour she has ever done, and she has lost her spark completely. She went through the motions at the Joanne Tour, and it was my least favorite tour she has ever done. I've been with her from the beginning and am disappointed in her. I get it. I get she wants to have somewhat of a normal life and be happy, but her work, music, and art have suffered tremendously. there was completely an artistic approach to Joanne, but you just didn't like it. The approach was to strip back and go old school natural with the music. Thats not lazy, it's harder to create music that way and more time consuming, and requires actual musical skill. Lazy is electronic producers throwing down loops in Ableton and autotuned vox on top and calling it a day. Rihannas work is Lazy, Gaga most certainly is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDONER 1,676 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ECORONA said: Respect GAGAs choice of injecting **** on her face her body not yours..k? K. As long as you and any other assholes coming for FameGa start to respect her past looks I'm fine with not brushing the truth in front of your uneducated faces and let you live in the delusion that she looks better than ever now. Otherwise you better suck it up because I can't stop and I won't stop. Capeesh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimblue 7,334 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, MEDONER said: As long as you and any other assholes coming for FameGa start to respect her past looks I'm fine with not brushing the truth in front of your uneducated faces and let you live in the delusion that she looks better than ever now. Otherwise you better suck it up because I can't stop and I won't stop. Capeesh? Holy **** that sentence just ran and ran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 9,019 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Derpplause said: This soooo much I want that magic feel about anything Gaga back I feel the early ARTPOP era still had a flair of this magic I hope she really plans out the next era, I'm pretty happy the Joanne era was a great succes with the tour, SBHTS, 5F2, Coachella, The Cure, MR, etc. But I'd like her to create groundbreaking music videos again, I need experimental bops. I like her toned down looks right now, but I'd love a bit of CrazyGa back The Tudor Watch thing was a great taste of that I need that in a vid This this this. It's not about success, it's about the passion and the message and the dedication. I think fans have been struggling with Gaga in the past 2/3 years because she's experimenting with a lot of different artistry (jazz, movies, tv, Joanne) and none of it is as passionate as, say, Born This Way or ARTPOP. She lived, breathed, and died for the messages of BOTH of those eras, and focused everything into giving the fans epic pop music and shows. Tbh, I understand why she made a change, it ended up biting her in the ass in the end. C2C and Joanne were clearly ways for her to heal, grow up, figure out her relationship and move on. I sense the shift coming, as most of us do, towards epic pop music, but I guess we'll all just have to wait and see. That being said, I don't think we'll ever see a BTW-like Gaga again, touring the country in a bus, up until 4am writing the album, pouring her heart and soul into it for the fans, constantly turning out archival Versace looks, performing in gay bars after each show, turning out BOPS, and doing crazy promo. She's too grown up, and clearly wants a bit of separation from "Gaga." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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