Men of color running Grammys 2018

[Henri Bardot 3,990]

Just happy for Khalid and Kendrick, the rest... 

[River 116,280]

I'm just happy that Nicki didn't get any nomination

But yes I'm happy for everyone especially for Cardi B and Kendrick

[LordEnigma 11,313]

Some of you don’t understand the long institutionalized racism in America 

[babs 5,093]

47 minutes ago, Anveeroy said:

A person of color can't be racist!

I'm kind of agreeing with your points but 

[StrawberryBlond 14,822]

Quality is the most important thing. Music is nothing to do with race. If black people deliver quality, they will get nominated, as white people will. Do you want equal rights or better rights? That is the thing is passing a lot of people who think like you by. You don't realise you're asking for better rights. If you want to be nominated for no other reason than "representation" and "diversity," then that is asking for special treatment. I'm a woman. I wouldn't want to be nominated purely for being a woman, I'd want to get nominated for making a good album. I'd feel offended if I was granted a place for the sake of being PC and nothing else. That makes a mockery of art and awards.

I review lots of albums a year and I'm sorry to say that black artists are just not cutting it for me and haven't for some time. Black artists just don't make music like they used to back in the 90's. The last above average album that came from a black rapper, in my opinion, was Dr Dre's Compton album in 2015. Everything else has been average at best. Not only are they sending anti-white messages in their albums now (there's a difference between being black positive and completely alienating your non-black fans) but they're also being too pretentious and avant garde. I really don't know what critics are seeing anymore. Plus, there's a lot of names I simply don't recognise now. I look up a list of albums coming out every month to review, so I should have heard of them, but honestly, there's a lot of names on the Grammy nominations list that I've never heard of. I don't know where they get them from now. It's like they're picking the most obscure ones for the sake of it.

5 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

Mainly all in the RAP category. 

He was nominated for 8 awards, 4 of them in the rap category, the other 4 elsewhere. That's not "mainly," that's half. That's the really odd thing about it. Sweeping in rapy? Perfectly acceptable. Sweeping in the general? Suspicious.

5 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

Do you know what exactly RACISM is? 

Most of us don't support the belief that only whites can be racist. You might be surprised to find that even people of colour also support this theory.

5 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

Then why the color of people can win AOTY? Why lamar was snatched, why beyonce was snubbed? 

You act as if blacks have never won the award. Just because your favourites didn't win in their respective years didn't mean they were "snatched" or "snubbed." This is the special treatment thing again. When a white artist wins, you think it's undeserved. When a black artist loses, you think it's a racist snub. Have you ever thought that quality played a role in the decision? Why do you think any "snub" was the result of racist decisions? I don't know why black artists are seen as the most deserving in every situation without question. Do you not believe that white artists can make good material?

5 hours ago, highlikegaga said:

Morning Phase won over Beyonce.

1989 (I adore the album) won over Beauty Behind the Madness by The Weeknd and To Pimp a Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar (superior album)

25 won over Lemonade

and this is only AOTY

I'll give you a little fact - Eminem has been nominated for AOTY 3 times and has never won. He has no problem winning in the rap category but has always fallen short when it comes to AOTY. Gaga has also been nominated 3 times and has never won. Beyonce has just joined their little club of "3 time AOTY nominee who's never won." It's not a race thing, it's a frustrating thing a lot of artists go through. Only difference is, white artists think it's just one of those things when it happens to them, black artists think it's racism. Don't you think if that really was the case, that no black artists would even get a nomination? 2011 is the most recent year where there were all white AOTY nominations. Most other years have 2 or more.

5 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

Racism and Sexism are different. 

No they aren't. They come from the same umbrella of prejudice. I'm a woman, so yeah.

5 hours ago, IAMSOPOP said:

Sounds bitter. 

So, a person says that musical quality should matter more than the colour of the artist (which should be completely irrelevant) and you think that's bitter? Wow. The knives are really out for anyone with a dissenting opinion on this, aren't they? I mean, what you can say in response when your opinion gets shot down that quick with nothing else to say?

5 hours ago, ryanripley said:

all i want to say is representation matters

I find it funny how that's all you have to say. Representation matters. Nothing else. Not even musical quality. Even as a woman, I don't want to be nominated in something just to fill a diversity quota. That's an insult, not a compliment. To know that you're only there because people didn't want to look close-minded? What's good about that, exactly? I think acceptance is so much better when it's genuine, not forced.

5 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

Some of you don’t understand the long institutionalized racism in America 

We do understand it. We just don't think it should have any bearing on what gets nominated and wins in a music awards show.

[Chic 20,830]

Umm ok they dominate music but we pretend they don't so anyway

[ANVEEROY 61,190]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No they aren't. They come from the same umbrella of prejudice. I'm a woman, so yeah.

You are a woman yet you are not acknowledging. Yes, they are. Apple and Orange. 

[ANVEEROY 61,190]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Most of us don't support the belief that only whites can be racist. You might be surprised to find that even people of colour also support this theory

Yes since civilization, whites labeled them self as superior, not other races. And most surprisingly I have to listen to this words from that country people who brutally ruled us for like 200 years. Sorry but not sorry! 

[Taylorrgh 679]

10 hours ago, MonsterOfSpain said:

black artists have won tens of Grammys

Yes they have but, the problem here is they never won the general categories. Their wins were mostly in predominantly black categories so.....

[LordEnigma 11,313]

7 hours ago, Chic said:

Umm ok they dominate music but we pretend they don't so anyway

Please tell me more with facts thank you

[StrawberryBlond 14,822]

14 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

You are a woman yet you are not acknowledging. Yes, they are. Apple and Orange. 

One discriminates for skin colour, one discriminates for gender. Different in the most basic sense of the word, but not in the technical sense. Any discrimination feels like the same injustice, right?

14 hours ago, Anveeroy said:

Yes since civilization, whites labeled them self as superior, not other races. And most surprisingly I have to listen to this words from that country people who brutally ruled us for like 200 years. Sorry but not sorry! 

Um, I think you'll find that every race labelled themselves as superior, if you did your research. You do know the wars that went on because different races, nationalities and religions all thought they were the best, right? You also know that every race has participated in slavery, even of their own kind as well? You do know that white Europeans did get enslaved by black Northern Africans during the Barbary Slave Trade? And that white Irish people specifically where enslaved in America during the Atlantic Slave Trade? You do know that the Arabic Slave Trade went on far longer, was far more brutal and enslaved more black Africans than the Atlantic Slave Trade ever did? Where's all black people demanding reparations from modern Arabs for this injustice? No, apparently, white people were the only slave masters ever, they did all the worst things in history. It's amazing what information you find when you look for it. For some reason, this stuff has never been widely taught to the public for reasons that aren't disclosed. Trust me, I just found all this stuff out this year and it shocked me. My whole life, I was raised to believe that white people had been the most destructive race who enslaved everybody yet nobody enslaved them. And I never questioned it or researched any evidence contrary to those teachings. I just accepted it as fact. So much for the untrue stereotype that whites are raised to feel superior, huh? It's the exact opposite.

14 hours ago, Tyler Henry said:

Yes they have but, the problem here is they never won the general categories. Their wins were mostly in predominantly black categories so.....

What are you talking about? Black people have won in the general categories many times. Stevie Wonder's won AOTY 3 times in the 70's, for crying out loud! Herbie Hancock won AOTY in 2008 - an album of cover songs by a black man beat Amy Winehouse's Back To Black, which everyone thought would win. Ray Charles won ROTY back in 2005 against modern music  at the time(same with Natalie Cole, Tina Turner, Michael Jackson...). As for SOTY, we have the likes of Beyonce, Luther Vandross, Alicia Keys, Seal and so on. Chance The Rapper won Best New Artist last year and before him, there was Esperanza Spalding, John Legend, Lauryn Hill, Tracy Chapman, etc. In terms of general Grammys won, Quincy Jones has the second highest amount of all time, with 27, closely followed by the likes of Stevie Wonder, Beyonce, Jay Z, Kanye West. Beyonce is the second most awarded woman in Grammy history with 22, closely followed by Aretha Franklin, Alicia Keys, Ella Fitzgerald, Leotyne Price and more. The top 2 most awarded producers are black males. Pinetop Perkins and Elizabeth Cotten are some of the oldest winners of all time (97 and 90, respectively). Albums by Ray Charles, Michael Jackson, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar and Natalie Cole are some of the most honoured albums in Grammy history with 6 wins per album or more.

If you're going to make claims, at least do your research, instead of just believing the things you're told to believe.

10 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

Please tell me more with facts thank you

I find it odd how, in cases like these, people never research the facts for themselves, they want others to provide them. If you're that interested, you're research the claims yourself. It's all available at the click of a button.

But, in case Chic doesn't reply, in a quick run-down, purely US-based, if you must know...

8 black males (either solo or featuring) had #1 singles in the US this year.

Kendrick Lamar's album, DAMN, debuted at #1 with 603k SPS, his third consecutive #1 album. It has sold just over 2 million SPS in the US alone.

Bruno Mars has got a #1 with That's What I Like, which sold over 6 million SPS. He also had a 4 million SPS hit with 24K Magic before it and his album has sold over 4 million SPS in the US alone.

The Weeknd went to #1 with his Starboy album, with over 2 million SPS in the US alone. His lead single went to #1 with over 1.5 million SPS.

Migos went to #1 with Bad and Boujee, with over 4 million SPS and their album, Culture, went to #1 with over 1 million SPS in the US alone.

Rae Sremmurd went to #1 with Black Beatles, a song amassing over 4 million SPS and became one of the biggest viral sensations of the year.

DJ Khaled, with a big host of names like Quavo, Chance The Rapper and Lil Wayne (and Justin Beiber), went to #1 with I'm The One, which has over 5 million SPS.

Cardi B was the first solo black female in years to go to #1 with rap song in the form of Bodak Yellow, which has over 500k SPS so far.

That's just the biggest hitters. There's been a lot more who have gone top ten with singles and albums. They also have crazy YouTube views and likes. Compare all this to white singers. They're getting notably absent on the charts. Iggy Azalea certainly didn't have long in the sun as a white rapper, huh? Urban has made a huge comeback and not from white artists. It's starting to be like the mid 00's all over again, when white artists success died down. Did you know that in 2004, every #1 single in the US was by a black artist (some featured black artists too) singing black music? Black artists are killing it right now, in sales, views, acclaim and awards. I wonder, with all the information out there, why anyone is prepared to say different? It's amazing how we just unquestionably believe the stuff we're told to, without ever doing the research on it. But there's something about the whole black artist success debate, which, even when researched, there will still be denial that they're doing well. It really shows you what fighting for black rights has become in the modern age - not about equal rights with whites, but dominance over whites. Even when you've got 4 out 5 AOTY nominations for black men, certain people still aren't happy. And they won't be until whites are completely absent from the charts and nominations. Because it's overwhelmingly clear that such people do not think whites can make good music or are worthy of success.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

One discriminates for skin colour, one discriminates for gender. Different in the most basic sense of the word, but not in the technical sense. Any discrimination feels like the same injustice, right?

Um, I think you'll find that every race labelled themselves as superior, if you did your research. You do know the wars that went on because different races, nationalities and religions all thought they were the best, right? You also know that every race has participated in slavery, even of their own kind as well? You do know that white Europeans did get enslaved by black Northern Africans during the Barbary Slave Trade? And that white Irish people specifically where enslaved in America during the Atlantic Slave Trade? You do know that the Arabic Slave Trade went on far longer, was far more brutal and enslaved more black Africans than the Atlantic Slave Trade ever did? Where's all black people demanding reparations from modern Arabs for this injustice? No, apparently, white people were the only slave masters ever, they did all the worst things in history. It's amazing what information you find when you look for it. For some reason, this stuff has never been widely taught to the public for reasons that aren't disclosed. Trust me, I just found all this stuff out this year and it shocked me. My whole life, I was raised to believe that white people had been the most destructive race who enslaved everybody yet nobody enslaved them. And I never questioned it or researched any evidence contrary to those teachings. I just accepted it as fact. So much for the untrue stereotype that whites are raised to feel superior, huh? It's the exact opposite.

What are you talking about? Black people have won in the general categories many times. Stevie Wonder's won AOTY 3 times in the 70's, for crying out loud! Herbie Hancock won AOTY in 2008 - an album of cover songs by a black man beat Amy Winehouse's Back To Black, which everyone thought would win. Ray Charles won ROTY back in 2005 against modern music  at the time(same with Natalie Cole, Tina Turner, Michael Jackson...). As for SOTY, we have the likes of Beyonce, Luther Vandross, Alicia Keys, Seal and so on. Chance The Rapper won Best New Artist last year and before him, there was Esperanza Spalding, John Legend, Lauryn Hill, Tracy Chapman, etc. In terms of general Grammys won, Quincy Jones has the second highest amount of all time, with 27, closely followed by the likes of Stevie Wonder, Beyonce, Jay Z, Kanye West. Beyonce is the second most awarded woman in Grammy history with 22, closely followed by Aretha Franklin, Alicia Keys, Ella Fitzgerald, Leotyne Price and more. The top 2 most awarded producers are black males. Pinetop Perkins and Elizabeth Cotten are some of the oldest winners of all time (97 and 90, respectively). Albums by Ray Charles, Michael Jackson, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar and Natalie Cole are some of the most honoured albums in Grammy history with 6 wins per album or more.

If you're going to make claims, at least do your research, instead of just believing the things you're told to believe.

I find it odd how, in cases like these, people never research the facts for themselves, they want others to provide them. If you're that interested, you're research the claims yourself. It's all available at the click of a button.

But, in case Chic doesn't reply, in a quick run-down, purely US-based, if you must know...

8 black males (either solo or featuring) had #1 singles in the US this year.

Kendrick Lamar's album, DAMN, debuted at #1 with 603k SPS, his third consecutive #1 album. It has sold just over 2 million SPS in the US alone.

Bruno Mars has got a #1 with That's What I Like, which sold over 6 million SPS. He also had a 4 million SPS hit with 24K Magic before it and his album has sold over 4 million SPS in the US alone.

The Weeknd went to #1 with his Starboy album, with over 2 million SPS in the US alone. His lead single went to #1 with over 1.5 million SPS.

Migos went to #1 with Bad and Boujee, with over 4 million SPS and their album, Culture, went to #1 with over 1 million SPS in the US alone.

Rae Sremmurd went to #1 with Black Beatles, a song amassing over 4 million SPS and became one of the biggest viral sensations of the year.

DJ Khaled, with a big host of names like Quavo, Chance The Rapper and Lil Wayne (and Justin Beiber), went to #1 with I'm The One, which has over 5 million SPS.

Cardi B was the first solo black female in years to go to #1 with rap song in the form of Bodak Yellow, which has over 500k SPS so far.

That's just the biggest hitters. There's been a lot more who have gone top ten with singles and albums. They also have crazy YouTube views and likes. Compare all this to white singers. They're getting notably absent on the charts. Iggy Azalea certainly didn't have long in the sun as a white rapper, huh? Urban has made a huge comeback and not from white artists. It's starting to be like the mid 00's all over again, when white artists success died down. Did you know that in 2004, every #1 single in the US was by a black artist (some featured black artists too) singing black music? Black artists are killing it right now, in sales, views, acclaim and awards. I wonder, with all the information out there, why anyone is prepared to say different? It's amazing how we just unquestionably believe the stuff we're told to, without ever doing the research on it. But there's something about the whole black artist success debate, which, even when researched, there will still be denial that they're doing well. It really shows you what fighting for black rights has become in the modern age - not about equal rights with whites, but dominance over whites. Even when you've got 4 out 5 AOTY nominations for black men, certain people still aren't happy. And they won't be until whites are completely absent from the charts and nominations. Because it's overwhelmingly clear that such people do not think whites can make good music or are worthy of success.

Just for one of your points - there were no black artists who reached number one on the hot 100 in 2013. And 44 weeks out of the year white artists were atop a predominately black chart - Rap/Hip-Hop.

I think visibility is getting stronger with black artists - I agree with that AND no one says that they want white people off the charts 

Dont act like I can’t look up facts but when someone blankly states - black people are dominating the charts - and that’s it - I want to see facts. It’s not that I agree or disagree but I’m not just going to be like “yeah - since that’s your opinion, I’ll believe it”

You came up with some interesting facts that I’ll look deeper into - that’s what I want from my comment, it’s not because im “lazy.”

[The House 455]

Just amazing. It's time. 

[Sepsami 18,832]

I'm so over everything being divided into race  

It literally should not matter 

[Sepsami 18,832]

On 28-11-2017 at 6:57 PM, Anveeroy said:

A person of color can't be racist! You are not. Chill! 

that's satire right