manicholic 3,694 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 There's nothing harder for people to do than admit they were fooled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 See how easy it is to be manipulated by this stories on Hillary? It never ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyZiggs 30,067 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 @President Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robagaga 9,345 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 This changes barely anything tbh Even though the money was officially intended for the general election it doesnt change the fact that the money was being funneled before and during the Democratic primary. Which will clearly allow HFA to influence the DNC's decisions during the primaries. Hardly a vindication. Trust me, I despise many conservative and republican ideologies as much as the other guy but we have to be better than them. We have to be able to look critically at members of our own political views and provide unbiased opinions and critics of them. This will only give us more credibility. Never blindly follow and never let your emotions impair your judgement Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, Robagaga said: This changes barely anything tbh Even though the money was officially intended for the general election it doesnt change the fact that the money was being funneled before and during the Democratic primary. Which will clearly allow HFA to influence the DNC's decisions during the primaries. Hardly a vindication. Trust me, I despise many conservative and republican ideologies as much as the other guy but we have to be better than them. We have to be able to look critically at members of our own political views and provide unbiased opinions and critics of them. This will only give us more credibility. Never blindly follow and never let your emotions impair your judgement Yes and no. Critical thinking is the greatest power but also the greatest flaw of liberal leaning people. Right-leaning people are easy to please, organize & manage. We're not. We're self-saboteurs, cuz being honest and calling out faults within our own is kinda expected from us. And that's why specifically nowadays it's really f*cking hard for somebody who is even vaguely progressive to lead a country. As awful as right leaning ideology is, they have unision. Within the left leaning area, it feels so segregated like... people who actually have the same goals tend to hate each other more than they hate the people who try to stop progress. There is no unision or solidarity within the left, it pretty much feels like a sh*tton of dogs barking at the same time with no stopping in sight. And while being self-reflective is very much a sign of intelligence, to a mere human it looks like weakness and crumbling under the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robagaga 9,345 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Just now, Supersonic said: Yes and no. Critical thinking is the greatest power but also the greatest flaw of liberal leaning people. Right-leaning people are easy to please, organize & manage. We're not. We're self-saboteurs, cuz being honest and calling out faults within our own is kinda expected from us. And that's why specifically nowadays it's really f*cking hard for somebody who is even vaguely progressive to lead a country. As awful as right leaning ideology is, they have unision. Within the left leaning area, it feels so segregated like... people who actually have the same goals tend to hate each other more than they hate the people who try to stop progress. There is no unision or solidarity within the left, it pretty much feels like a sh*tton of dogs barking at the same time with no stopping in sight. And while being self-reflective is very much a sign of intelligence, to a mere human it looks like weakness and crumbling under the pressure. I get your point. But I still prefer to be actually having a discussion amongst the left unlike the right where it is just a bunch of sheep listening to whatever Fox News tells them. While yes in the short term it might not help all the time, I believe that in the long term it is more sustainable as the republican sheep kind of thinking isn't really working as we can see with the catastrophic first months of the trump presidency. If you are able to discuss with less stubborn members of the otherside and agree that they do have some valid points I think you are more likely to convince them to join your side rather than telling them that all they say is wrong and that the Democratic party is always right and has never done anything wrong. In the long term I think a more self critical and aware democratic party will bring in more voters and lead to more trust in the party as a complete opposite to trumps bullshit and lies and denial Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Robagaga said: I get your point. But I still prefer to be actually having a discussion amongst the left unlike the right where it is just a bunch of sheep listening to whatever Fox News tells them. While yes in the short term it might not help all the time, I believe that in the long term it is more sustainable as the republican sheep kind of thinking isn't really working as we can see with the catastrophic first months of the trump presidency. If you are able to discuss with less stubborn members of the otherside and agree that they do have some valid points I think you are more likely to convince them to join your side rather than telling them that all they say is wrong and that the Democratic party is always right and has never done anything wrong. In the long term I think a more self critical and aware democratic party will bring in more voters and lead to more trust in the party as a complete opposite to trumps bullshit and lies and denial I really wish it was like that but a good 90% of all people in the world are unfortunately sheeple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 38 minutes ago, Supersonic said: Yes and no. Critical thinking is the greatest power but also the greatest flaw of liberal leaning people. Right-leaning people are easy to please, organize & manage. We're not. We're self-saboteurs, cuz being honest and calling out faults within our own is kinda expected from us. And that's why specifically nowadays it's really f*cking hard for somebody who is even vaguely progressive to lead a country. As awful as right leaning ideology is, they have unision. Within the left leaning area, it feels so segregated like... people who actually have the same goals tend to hate each other more than they hate the people who try to stop progress. There is no unision or solidarity within the left, it pretty much feels like a sh*tton of dogs barking at the same time with no stopping in sight. And while being self-reflective is very much a sign of intelligence, to a mere human it looks like weakness and crumbling under the pressure. It's so frustrating being self-critical and caring Like, for real. If only the Dems could get ahead of all the petty political BS and stuff, maybe we'd have more of a chance of being united 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petie Estie 5,704 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Robagaga said: This changes barely anything tbh Even though the money was officially intended for the general election it doesnt change the fact that the money was being funneled before and during the Democratic primary. Which will clearly allow HFA to influence the DNC's decisions during the primaries. Hardly a vindication. Trust me, I despise many conservative and republican ideologies as much as the other guy but we have to be better than them. We have to be able to look critically at members of our own political views and provide unbiased opinions and critics of them. This will only give us more credibility. Never blindly follow and never let your emotions impair your judgement Bernie refused to concede until long after he had lost. This is why it was ****ed up and why they had to funnel money the way they did. Link to tweet thread: Call your therapist...it's Petie Estie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I just can't believe how Warren threw Hillary under the bus so quickly. Will she be relevant anymore after this? Even Bernie was silent thought all of this with Brazile. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manicholic 3,694 Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 21 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said: I just can't believe how Warren threw Hillary under the bus so quickly. Will she be relevant anymore after this? Even Bernie was silent thought all of this with Brazile. There's nothing harder for people to do than admit they were fooled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, manicholic said: Great, even Bernie wasn't silent. I think politicians need to go back to working for the people instead of trying to get their name out there. I was even disappointed with Bernie's Puerto Rico trip. Like why? Did he even go? "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,486 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 But what if this is #LiberalFakeNews? The only people that need to hear that she's innocent of any crimes are the ones that'll never listen. That's what's so screwed up about this. Anyone that cares enough about themselves, others, and society as a whole already grounds themselves in reality and are skeptical at worst when it comes to Hillary and her political history. Those that like to spew hot air, boost their ego, and be as abrasive as possible are the only ones left that are still saying she's guilty of anything and their minds will never be changed. Unfortunately, a number of those people exist on the left too and all this nonsense about Hillary "rigging" the election against Bernie is helping unify us against Trump's GOP at all and the fact that high profile names like Warren and Bernie are repeating it is...damaging. I just wish she was the president like we, the people, wanted Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 4,744 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 So frustrating. I'm a lot older than most of you on here. This Hillary bashing has been going on since I was a teenager around 2000. It never ends. It's so wildly unfair. And, yes, it's this derision from within our own "team" which allowed that orange buffoon to win. And I'm not even a huge Hillary fan. I just hate it that she gets such a raw deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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