Goosey 3,017 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 hours ago, MJHolland said: There are reasonable restrictions a society has to put its foot down for. Some Elementary Comments on The Rights of Freedom of Expression "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 41 minutes ago, Goosey said: Some Elementary Comments on The Rights of Freedom of Expression This author is arguing that a pro-Nazi holocaust denying "historian" is not an anti-Semite "Putting this central issue aside, is it true that Faurisson is an anti-Semite or a neo-Nazi? As noted earlier, I do not know his work very well. But from what I have read — largely as a result of the nature of the attacks on him — I find no evidence to support either conclusion." I took my time to read this and I think the logic is inherently flawed. To say that the free speech of Nazis should be protected is to say that Nazism is harmless. Nazism is not harmful. It's beliefs and ideas have done far more harm that yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater ever could. Why are you arguing that Nazism is harmless, I do not understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Is My Name 453 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 hours ago, MJHolland said: This author is arguing that a pro-Nazi holocaust denying "historian" is not an anti-Semite "Putting this central issue aside, is it true that Faurisson is an anti-Semite or a neo-Nazi? As noted earlier, I do not know his work very well. But from what I have read — largely as a result of the nature of the attacks on him — I find no evidence to support either conclusion." I took my time to read this and I think the logic is inherently flawed. To say that the free speech of Nazis should be protected is to say that Nazism is harmless. Nazism is not harmful. It's beliefs and ideas have done far more harm that yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater ever could. Why are you arguing that Nazism is harmless, I do not understand. sis @Goosey is quoting Trump on his signature, it's done, you can't reason with him/her lol . Well at least *I'm* not gonna waste anymore time trying. Haroon is coming to kill me D: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 40 minutes ago, Stan Is My Name said: it's done, you can't reason with him/her lol . Well at least *I'm* not gonna waste anymore time trying. Try to distance yourself from negativity Back to my post, Trump gays tend to be crass "masc3masc"gays... that tracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 hours ago, MJHolland said: Why are you arguing that Nazism is harmless, I do not understand. If you think I'm arguing that Nazism is harmless, then you're obviously right—you do not understand. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam Ien 111 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Keep her there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Goosey said: If you think I'm arguing that Nazism is harmless, then you're obviously right—you do not understand. It is WIDELY accepted that your free speech stops where it starts to do measurable harm Eg) You can’t hell fire in a crowded theater Do you think you should be able to yell fire in a crowded theater under “free speech”? I hope not. Because it’s harmful to others. Nazism is also harmful to others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 hours ago, MJHolland said: It is WIDELY accepted that your free speech stops where it starts to do measurable harm Eg) You can’t hell fire in a crowded theater Do you think you should be able to yell fire in a crowded theater under “free speech”? I hope not. Because it’s harmful to others. Nazism is also harmful to others. Calling someone an idiot is 'harmful to others'. Guess it's not free speech. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Goosey said: Calling someone an idiot is 'harmful to others'. Guess it's not free speech. What does that even mean? Nazis aren't harmful because they hurt people's feelings, they're harmful because they act out genocide. If you think Nazis are just harmful because they hurt people's feelings... Jesus Christ, it's so unsurprising you voted for Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, MJHolland said: Nazis aren't harmful because they hurt people's feelings, they're harmful because they act out genocide. Checked the article, this woman didn't act out genocide or cause any physical harm, only disagreed about a historical event "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Goosey said: Checked the article, this woman didn't act out genocide or cause any physical harm, only disagreed about a historical event It is not a matter of: 1) "Disagreeing". She is lying. You can't "disagree" with a fact. That's why it is a fact. And it is a fact that the Holocaust happened. Is it not? 2) If she did any harm. Nazism does harm. Nazism is harmful. I wish I could say it slower. Nazism is harmful, that is why it is illegal. It is illegal to be a Nazi because Nazism is harmful to Germany +world. She was alive during the Holocaust. She saw the Jews disappearing and being killed. She worked for the regime to "educate" (brainwash) Nazi youth. Nazism hurts people. That is why Nazism is illegal. What. Do. You. Not. Understand.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, MJHolland said: If she did any harm. Nazism does harm. Nazism is harmful. I wish I could say it slower. Nazism is harmful, that is why it is illegal. It is illegal to be a Nazi because Nazism is harmful to Germany +world. Not here it isn't. 2 minutes ago, MJHolland said: "Disagreeing". She is lying. You can't "disagree" with a fact. That's why it is a fact. And it is a fact that the Holocaust happened. Is it not? It's also a fact the earth is round, but they haven't yet arrested B.o.B. 3 minutes ago, MJHolland said: What. Do. You. Not. Understand.... Did I say there was something I had trouble understanding? "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 53 minutes ago, Goosey said: Not here it isn't. It's also a fact the earth is round, but they haven't yet arrested B.o.B. Did I say there was something I had trouble understanding? Just like it is illegal to yell fire in a theater, and just like it is illegal to slander someone's names w/ lies and spread purposeful untruths, it is illegal to lie about to Holocaust not happened in Germany It is the same logic, and it is for the better What, in your opinion, is a slipperier slope: taking away the free speech of extremist parties like Nazis, or f*cking NAZIS THEMSELVES?! Most rational people would say NAZISM is a darker path for society to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 is there an age limit for jailing people? I dont know all the laws but at 88 she doesnt have that much life left anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 12:23 AM, MJHolland said: Just like it is illegal to yell fire in a theater, and just like it is illegal to slander someone's names w/ lies and spread purposeful untruths, it is illegal to lie about to Holocaust not happened in Germany It is the same logic, and it is for the better What, in your opinion, is a slipperier slope: taking away the free speech of extremist parties like Nazis, or f*cking NAZIS THEMSELVES?! Most rational people would say NAZISM is a darker path for society to go down. if someone thinks the Holocaust is not real then they are just stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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