LadyLuca 2,548 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I would really love to see how many people really defend themselves with weapons Vs. How many people harm others with weapons (of course private use) Things like this and worse will happen again. Nobody will do anything against this, but atleast everybody can have their weapons for "safety". The sad thing is- GunControl isnt something you can achieve easily in the US anyways. Its simple to get weapons illegally- especially in america... On the contrary- People will harm people with or without guns- but still In my opinion, there will be less blood. Guns only belong to people whos jobs is it to secure humans. (and even this isnt working well sometimes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Dayum said: Just curious, with that definition, as I found to be consistent with OED, would Lady Gaga be a terrorist if she used this act/incident/event of violence against persons in furtherance of her political social objectives of gun control? Like her shooting people to prove we need gun control? I suppose she would be a terrorist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,987 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 15 hours ago, Unwavering said: Way to offend like half the fan base here. I'm a white male and I feel offended by this stereotype. I always take things for face value and never judge people beforehand. Please stop generalizing. It seems like ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack and said that the attacker converted to Islam several months ago. Some unfounded sources claim that the attacker was also a Trump hater democrat, but this is not confirmed. Why does it offend you tho? As a white straight male, YOU are more privileged than a black female, or a Muslim woman, or a gay person in this society. The cards aren't stacked against you in any innate way in comparison to minorities. What I'm saying is, because he's a white guy, an "American", people don't want to label this as terrorism. People think of "terrorism" being enacted by a Muslim, or some radical minority. As soon as it's someone white and American, they're labeled a "lone wolf" or some other bull ****. I'm in no way saying that all straight white men are awful people, or terrorists. What I'm saying is that their innate traits generally give them free passes in our society. And when something this vicious and disgusting has been done, free passes shouldn't be given. It's an act of terror, and he's a terrorist. Plain and simple. ...and also, ISIS claimed responsibility, but that's pretty much already been refuted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca 1,318 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 This is terrible but honestly my sympathy for Americans is running dry. Thoughts are with these families but really how many times does this have to happen to change gun laws. People don’t need guns, police and militants need guns. Here in Australia we had one massacre in the 90’s and it look 12 days to change gun laws and we’ve had nothing since. Seriously get your act together US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 15 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Like her shooting people to prove we need gun control? I suppose she would be a terrorist. No not personally herself firing the gun. See ISIS is a terrorist because its members cause violence to promote ISIS's agenda. I'm just wondering if a person does not orchestrate a scene of violence, but yet uses such a scene to promote her own agenda, would that person count as a terrorist as well? The key difference is the absence of control on one part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Dayum said: No not personally herself firing the gun. See ISIS is a terrorist because its members cause violence to promote ISIS's agenda. I'm just wondering if a person does not orchestrate a scene of violence, but yet uses such a scene to promote her own agenda, would that person count as a terrorist as well? The key difference is the absence of control on one part. No. Politicizing a terror event would not be terrorism. Terrorism has to do with the motive of an action. Someone could instigate terror or radicalize someone into committing a terror attack though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: No. Politicizing a terror event would not be terrorism. Terrorism has to do with the motive of an action. Someone could instigate terror or radicalize someone into committing a terror attack though. In a hypothetical world, where ISIS threatens Lady G that if she were to perform Born This Way again, it would blow up a gay club, and Lady G went ahead anyway, would that count as an instigation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dayum said: In a hypothetical world, where ISIS threatens Lady G that if she were to perform Born This Way again, it would blow up a gay club, and Lady G went ahead anyway, would that count as an instigation? From the terrorist threatening her, yes. Not her. These hypotheticals though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 49 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: From the terrorist threatening her, yes. Not her. These hypotheticals though Why could it not be argued that she instigated ISIS by refusing to comply? Conversations would be very boring without hypotheticals like these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Dayum said: Why could it not be argued that she instigated ISIS by refusing to comply? Conversations would be very boring without hypotheticals like these. Because she's the victim in the situation. She was coerced and refused to comply. Still not a terrorist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 For all my haters: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: For all my haters: They need to redefine terrorism. It’s really weird they can’t find a motive, he planned this for a long time. Also what about this A, B1, C - fulfilled FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,624 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, lego said: They need to redefine terrorism. It’s really weird they can’t find a motive, he planned this for a long time. Also what about this A, B1, C - fulfilled They all need to be fulfilled, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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