Why do people say Madonna is Talentless?

[TheRoof 21,600]

20 hours ago, jtrover said:

Some people say Madonna is talentless because her voice isn't as technically great I suppose as other female artists. Interestingly, I could name a dozen easily of other female singers over the past 3+ decades who sound far worse than Madonna ever has. They also say that because they feel her acting is terrible.

My opinion personally is that she is extremely talented. I think she is a true artist and remarkable business woman. There were always women who could sing better and dance better than Madonna (now and then), but Madonna just had a certain something... INCREDIBLE songs and and a captivating persona and image that made people interested in her. What she lacked in technicality, she made up for it with emotion in her voice. Her dancing was excellent and leaned more into a more classical style rather than modern at the time (Paula Abdul, Janet Jackson), after all Madonna studied with the best of dancers when she was young (Pearl Lang and the Alvin Ailey dance troupe). She just decided she wanted to broaden her artistic expression into something more diverse, so she then set her goal towards becoming a contemporary singer. She wanted to sing, dance, act, direct, create and write. She learned how to play the drums and guitar and keyboards herself, as well as write her own songs. She did it the hard way, from the bottom up. She was in a band called Emmy and the Breakfast Club before she hit the big time as a solo act. 

Like many artists, she has had a multifaceted career, full of highs and lows. It's kind of mind boggling when you actually read over her entire body of work. She was certainty controversial, it got everyone talking about her, but it also got people talking about important issues that people faced in the world. She presented various aspects of life in her art and did it in a way where you were forced to discuss it. She was just the catalyst to it in her work (ex. teenage pregnancy in 'Papa Don't Preach',  sexuality in 'Erotica' and 'Justify my Love', homosexuality 'Truth or Dare', religion in 'Like a Prayer', and many more examples). And when you think about it, isn't that what art and TRUE artists are supposed to do? Art isn't just about always creating a pretty piece of work. She has and still has something to say. She's an artist that likes to push buttons.

So you take her drive, creativity, savvy business sense, videos, movies (acted and directed), tours, excellent written pop songs over the past 30 years+ and other show business that she's been involved with, I can't see how anybody can say that's talentless. She's been making professional music since 1982. She's still in the news, still creates, she's in a good percentage of threads in this forum on a daily basis and other performer's forums too it seems. She's a part of history and pop culture pure and simple. Whether one likes her or not, she is an icon and arguably  the biggest star currently in our life time. People are paying attention. 

Of course time marches on and Madonna now 59, with 6 children has very different priorities than she did 30 years ago. Some say she's done it all, but she doesn't think so. She still wants to express herself artistically. I say why the hell not? She's definitely allowed to. I believe she does it now for the pure joy of being an artist. She knows she doesn't have to prove anything to anybody ever. Sure, she may not be able to move like she once could, and her voice isn't the same as it once was in her younger days, she's only human. That won't stop her, nor should it. The work she has done in Malawi, Africa with the construction of the children's hospitals and schools is so incredibly inspiring to me. She's also a humanitarian, freedom fighter and helping to save lives for goodness sakes. She's kinda like Wonder Woman, lol. :))

Who knows if there will ever be anybody like her in our life time? It's rare but anything is possible. There are some contenders for sure, but time will tell. It's hard to say if anybody will ever be so diverse and multifaceted as Madonna though, or have her colossal impact that she had on popular culture. That's the real question. Without her, there wouldn't have been others that followed because she wrote the book on how it's done. She's a part of history and her story isn't finished.

                                                                   

when I thought I could not admire this woman more , then again i've been proved wrong

[Stevo 641]

13 hours ago, mzncb said:

For the Gaga fans here, who plays musical instruments better: Madonna or Britney Spears?

I've heard madge played guitar and drums and Britney piano? But i think madge is amaterurish at guitar, idk about britney

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On 27/9/2017 at 3:39 PM, Stevo said:

She doesn't do provocation for no reason, she always has a point to doing it. She's called out Racism and sexism through her music videos, which she concieved and had artistic input and guidance for the director. Kanye West has even said Madonna is one of the best visual artists ever. She's also called the Queen of Pop because she's had the most impact on cultur. And her music being "basic" is far from it. 

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On 9/28/2017 at 1:55 AM, scallywally said:

Madonna has always praised Gaga,  but just 1 word about 1 song. Gaga has said a lot worse. Even though we love her Gaga has been more vicious. Gaga has even used parts of Madonna's second hand stages. The reason you've been snapped at is because your research its totally ill informed. Madonna always sticks up for female singers and has with MM. Even as a fan I thought it was shady that gaga thanked Whitney for the inspiration when she has backtracked now and said it was M.

We get it, that's great for her to write amazing influenced songs. Hers are great. There's been no problems Madonna hasn't sued her, theyve been seen together since. It shouldn't be a problem for the forum either. They've moved on, we should be about love, unless you haven't heard any of Gagas songs. The world think monsters are bullies. Time to change, or at least get the facts right.

She said more than 1 word about 1 song. She used BTW on tour and followed it up with She's Not Me. Her fans thought it was a right hoot. I think it was this incident Gaga was referring to when she said during her Hair speech on tour that "some people might try to bring you down or maybe make a mockery of your work." There's only one person who she could have been referring to with that. Gaga has been nothing but gracious and kind, Madonna was an opportunist. She knew what she was doing and how it could end Gaga's career and she didn't care. It was a pure power trip.

And Madonna has not always stood up for female singers. She's shaded them consistently over the years and been mean to their faces. For such a feminist woman, she's been routinely jealous of any woman who's more talented, more successful, more beautiful or in any way a risk to her legacy at the most successful female. The fact she rarely features or sings with other females (and when she does, they're always on her vocal level or lesser) is testament to that.

I think Gaga's moved on more because she wants to be mature. Madonna's just using her like the opportunist she is once again. Now the tide's turning, Gaga's backlash has ended and the public's liking her again, Madonna realises she has to start being nicer to her to match public opinion. Tearing someone down's only fun when everyone else agrees with you.

[insight 2,429]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The fact she rarely features or sings with other females (and when she does, they're always on her vocal level or lesser) is testament to that.

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

2 hours ago, insight said:

What? How is this not logical? Madonna mostly works with men in most capacities. She really doesn't seem to want to be around women...unless she thinks, in the case of Nicki Minaj, that they could help her song to chart.

[insight 2,429]

22 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

. She really doesn't seem to want to be around women...unless she thinks, in the case of Nicki Minaj, that they could help her song to chart.

Telephone  says HI!

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

13 minutes ago, insight said:

Telephone  says HI!

Gaga did genuinely try to get along with Beyonce, though. If anything, Beyonce was teaming up with her to help her career (she's been known to feature some of the biggest names at the time on her albums and then drop them when they're no longer of any use). Gaga always wanted to do a sequel as well, but maybe Beyonce wasn't down with it. Gaga has performed with many women in her life, even if she doesn't always feature them on her albums. Madonna, on the other hand...are her last 2 albums the only time she ever featured women? And when she performs, she's always solo. When she's in a movie, it's all about her unless it's a supporting role.

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3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 Gaga did genuinely try to get along with Beyonce, though. If anything, Beyonce was teaming up with her to help her career (she's been known to feature some of the biggest names at the time on her albums and then drop them when they're no longer of any use). Gaga always wanted to do a sequel as well, but maybe Beyonce wasn't down with it. Gaga has performed with many women in her life, even if she doesn't always feature them on her albums. Madonna, on the other hand...are her last 2 albums the only time she ever featured women? And when she performs, she's always solo. When she's in a movie, it's all about her unless it's a supporting role.

OK now youre deluded. compare the females M has work worked with to Gagas, youre making us look stupid yet again. Oh dear, youre a lost cause. Shes worked female with artists, dancers, singers, even putting them up front instead of her since 1986. Gaga hasn't. Please stop because you are digging us into a hole. What about the schools she's been trying to build for girls???? Get real. She signed Alanis ffs. Her designer is a woman back from the 80's, shes got a female Japanese chef, her Malawi nanny is female, shes got 3 daughters and has supported all saints kylie, the woman from texas supported her amy shumer supported her and esp Britney.  Youre grasping at straws and sounding ignorant now. Google who her friends are, Then maybe google Gagas because if you carry on like this gaga daily is going to be a laughing stock.

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[sipthistea 21,099]

Ugh, I can't at these Madonna fans.

You know what, yes, she's an opportunist talentless b whose career has been so long due to lots of controversy and for being a business woman. She's not even an artist. 

She's just a marketing woman.

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7 minutes ago, sipthistea said:

Ugh, I can't at these Madonna fans.

You know what, yes, she's an opportunist talentless b whose career has been so long due to lots of controversy and for being a business woman. She's not even an artist. 

She's just a marketing woman.

Most ignorant thing I've heard. There's a difference between disliking her and denying any talent or artistry she has. 

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31 minutes ago, sipthistea said:

Ugh, I can't at these Madonna fans.

You know what, yes, she's an opportunist talentless b whose career has been so long due to lots of controversy and for being a business woman. She's not even an artist. 

She's just a marketing woman.

Well her singing and dancing are okay but saying she isn't an artist is wrong. Her discography is one of the most artistic, eye-opening, and thought provoking as well as her music videos. She's talked so much about racism, sexism, politics, spirituality, religion, sex, abuse etc. through her music and performances. I consider her to be a performance artist rather than just a singer and businesswoman. 

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2 hours ago, heimerdinger said:

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Please stop replying if you're going to have an argument on this thread honestly.