Halsey on being a "white-passing" black woman

[Matangi 3,050]

5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I know about all that stuff. But that was then and this is now. That stuff is no longer relevant to today's living. You no longer have to pigeonhole and limit yourself. Halsey has grown up in a time where it's ok to claim a non-white or mixed heritage. You no longer get legally treated differently for doing that.

Yes, America has different conceptions of race as opposed to my culture. Believe me, the American conceptions of race infuriate me as a British person...and only claiming one side of your mixed heritage is one of them. Although some my country's people do that as well, but not to the same extent as Americans. And I think it's high time American conceptions of race were updated and they stopped focusing on the past so much. Most other countries have moved past their racial history, why can't America? Britain made slavery illegal not that much earlier than America and yet we don't constantly bring up slavery or let it define our present or believe black people are still suffering the aftereffects of it today. So, why can't America start catching up?

Oh, you blocked me. I never knew that. That tells me how much you value people providing a different opinion, then. I, on the other hand, never block because I value everyone's input, good or bad. But maybe that's just me.

I'm telling someone how to identify, racially speaking because I believe in telling facts. You are lying about your race if you claim one half of it as your sole colour. It's the definition of deception and delusion. If she is white as much as she is black, as you claim, why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't be supportive of her if she claimed herself as solely white? No, claiming one side is not exactly new but it's working differently now. In the past, they wanted to identify as white, in order to get treated right, but now they're wanting to identify as black to gain oppression points, as that gets you further in society now, where we're encouraged to be diverse and give the oppressed a fair chance. I've seen POC get more opportunities than white people with the same qualifications for this very reason. It's just we don't like to admit the reason. I have no problem with someone owning their blackness...if both their parents are black and/or they are telling the biological truth. It's offensive to only claim one half of your mixed heritage because you are showing preference for it over your other half and there should be no preference when it comes to that stuff. Just like how you don't have a favourite child/sibling/whatever, you don't favour parts of your racial heritage over the other parts. I'm asking people to embrace both sides equally. Just claiming one side is racist. Don't you want equal treatment? So claim both sides of your heritage equally. And what's this "feels black" nonsense? That's preciely what keeps us divided in society, it's what fuels stereotypes. I'm white and I don't "feel white." How I look on the outside doesn't define who I am on the inside. Well, if I were biracial, I would be annoyed at the other side of my ethnicity who didn't embrace me and demand they change. I would not want to choose what side I identify with as I believe in the best of both worlds. I would define myself purely in factual terms - biracial. I wouldn't intend to mislead anyone or lie to myself about what I am and what I am not. I especially would not identify as solely black if I looked white. That's just asking for trouble, from all sides, for all different reasons, mainly that I'd be looked at weird for claiming blackness when I look white as the driven snow, potentially leading to accusations of me claiming blackness to get oppression points. I didn't think that you would be supporting a mixed girl identifying as black when she looks completely white, regardless of what her DNA states. I thought you'd be saying that she should be ashamed of herself for identifying as black in attempts to appropriate their oppression.

A long winded statement, perhaps. But to suggest that it's not worth listening to is rude.

Wow, that is very hurtful. It's been very shocking for me to be accused of racism for the first time in my life these days. I've always been one of the most accepting people in regards to race. Ever since I was a child, I never looked at anyone different to me as inferior and I've carried on that wisdom today. I have always accepted, embraced and supporting different races and cultures. I believe that if you want people to be nice to you, you have to be nice back. So, even when I do treat people nicely and they don't treat me nicely back, I still try to be as civil as I can, in the hopes that they'll change their ways one day. I operate on kindness and fairness. Just because I choose to treat POC equally by challenging their theories if I find them to be inconsistent or wrong (the same way that I'd do for any white person) does not mean that I'm a subconscious racist who is blind to my own ignorance. It's very hurtful to have negative assumptions made of me just because I'm white and challenge a POC's view. I view that as equal treatment, not racism. It's an eye-opener to find out what people think about me in secret as you've never spoken to me until now. Maybe you should get to know me better before judging me so hatefully. I'm really nothing like you think I am.

girl u do this every time tho, say some ignorant ****, people hop on you for saying something ignorant and then u type a novel cause you feel offended personally.

[Matangi 3,050]

Also where is all this hate from? She is literally explaining her own true identity as it relates to her appearance and to her racial heritage. She IS mixed, regardless what you guys think, however she DOES benefit from appearing as a completely white woman in our society. What the **** else do you expect her to say?

 

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2 minutes ago, Matangi said:

Also where is all this hate from? She is literally explaining her own true identity as it relates to her appearance and to her racial heritage. She IS mixed, regardless what you guys think, however she DOES benefit from appearing as a completely white woman in our society. What the **** else do you expect her to say?

 

she didn't say she's mixed, she said she's a black woman passing for a white one 

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3 hours ago, Miracle said:

Black privilege...the things I got to hear in here.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/us/black-privilege/index.html

Here you go. @Matangi too. Written by a black man. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,866]

1 hour ago, Matangi said:

girl u do this every time tho, say some ignorant ****, people hop on you for saying something ignorant and then u type a novel cause you feel offended personally.

My theories are based on evidence, experience and logic. That's not ignorant. And am I not allowed to be offended and defend myself? When defending yourself, you have to do a lot to convince people, so of course I'm going to write a lot. Making a reply simply saying: "I'm not racist" is hardly going to cut it, is it? And well, the same happens to me. I call out people for saying something ignorant and they reply calling me ignorant. It's all the same.

1 hour ago, Matangi said:

Also where is all this hate from? She is literally explaining her own true identity as it relates to her appearance and to her racial heritage. She IS mixed, regardless what you guys think, however she DOES benefit from appearing as a completely white woman in our society. What the **** else do you expect her to say?

Her identity doesn't relate to her appearance. And she doesn't identify as mixed. She's half black/half white (with a little Native American mixed in). She looks completely white. But she identifies herself as black. I'm no biologist, but something's not right here. She's taking half an identity and using it as a sole identity. That's a factual inaccuracy.

1 hour ago, briffan2014 said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/us/black-privilege/index.html

Here you go. @Matangi too. Written by a black man. 

I agree with the idea of it but truth be told, the article you provided wasn't the best. I thought it was going to contain stuff like how certain black-specific issues have happened to white people to the same degree (getting followed in stores, getting their hair touched, people not saying their name right, being reprimanded by their teachers, being refused over another person who is less qualified, being demonised for no reason, having assumptions made about them because of their race, etc). Or even brought up the idea of how discrimination still happens in an all-white environment (humans will find anything to divide themselves, if it's not race, it'll be something else). But it just kinda meandered about, made more points against the article's subject than for it and didn't have a strong conclusion. I think I could have written a much better one, honestly. One of the biggest pieces of black privilege today is that they can be completely racist towards a white person and face absolutely no consequences for it, maybe a slap on the wrist at best. A close second would be black people having the ability to disbelieve and silence a white person's experiences but demand that they are treated better themselves. Yeah, people who believe in this kinda stuff don't really want equality. If you could show us an article that contained stuff like that, it would be better.

[Matangi 3,050]

2 hours ago, OmgSum1Actually said:

she didn't say she's mixed, she said she's a black woman passing for a white one 

exactly hun, mixed people can identify as either/whichever race they are also a part of. its literally a part of her even though one may not be aware of it strictly from appearances.

[OBEY 57,109]

Well it's true.

He looks white, but she's black as her father IS black, so she's a white-passing black woman bc she looks white.

[OBEY 57,109]

On 18/08/2017 at 11:39 AM, neptugne said:

Her DNA is half black but gorl on the outside you look 99% white, there ain't no "passing"

Well there it is, the passing, right there.

She's passing as a white woman when she's not when you look at her origins/family. I don't get you?

 

[Matangi 3,050]

2 hours ago, OmgSum1Actually said:

she didn't say she's mixed, she said she's a black woman passing for a white one 

Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, Fka Twigs etc. all mixed race but identify with the african american identity of their mixed heritage. no difference, except this time she is recognizing the fact that the world sees her differently than she knows herself to be.

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On 18/08/2017 at 11:44 AM, Juvi said:

This B!tch....... I was finally starting to kinda get into her stuff and she starts being extra EXTRA!! 

Gurl........ stop it NOW 

Where is she being extra? She is stating the facts. Everyone thinks she's white and she looks white, but in fact she's not because her father is black. So she's indeed passing as a white woman.  

[Matangi 3,050]

Just now, OBEY said:

Where is she being extra? She is stating the facts. Everyone thinks she's white and she looks white, but in fact she's not because her father is black. So she's indeed passing as a white woman.  

right... the people "calling her out" are literally just restating what she said, only in a more ignorant way.

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On 8/18/2017 at 0:29 PM, ZiggyZiggs said:

yall are so stupid. her fathers black mate, shes mixed, just bcuz shes light skinned doesnt give YOU the right to tell HER shes NOT black. like who tf r u lmao? I never got it when people said mixed kids have it hard, now I understand. cut her some ****ing slack and let her live her life

She has a black parent, she can call herself black if she wants to, nothing wrong with that. You cant take that away from her Just cuz shes lightskinned. get some brains. the ignorance in this thread is baffling

I'm Indian and have European ancestry, my mom is white as paper, but she'll have a few ****ing words with you if you tell her she's not Indian cuz she looks white like stop being ignorant and delusional

Someone in this thread has sense

 

[babs 5,093]

I am so done with y'all tbh.

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Her identity doesn't relate to her appearance. And she doesn't identify as mixed. She's half black/half white (with a little Native American mixed in). She looks completely white. But she identifies herself as black. I'm no biologist, but something's not right here. She's taking half an identity and using it as a sole identity. That's a factual inaccuracy.

This is precisely what I have been trying to say all along.

There is nothing wrong with being mixed. I know many who identify as mixed. Hell, in my country you hardly ever hear people talk about race in this way because when Christopher Columbus and squad came to this place and raped all the natives, that caused for the majority of the population to be mixed and everyone is aware of it. In the same vein I've met people in the US who at times identify as mixed because they want to "avoid trouble" but will generally go for the colour their skin displays, and that's because that's literally what the classification means.

Of course there is "black culture" and "white culture", and you can be raised on any or both and be parented by any or both, but if we have a woman whose skin colour is white, factions are white and acts white yet is called black because she has black traits on her dna, then the "white" and "black" classification literally means nothing.

 

 

 

[Matangi 3,050]

23 hours ago, babs said:

I am so done with y'all tbh.

This is precisely what I have been trying to say all along.

There is nothing wrong with being mixed. I know many who identify as mixed. Hell, in my country you hardly ever hear people talk about race in this way because when Christopher Columbus and squad came to this place and raped all the natives, that caused for the majority of the population to be mixed and everyone is aware of it. In the same vein I've met people in the US who at times identify as mixed because they want to "avoid trouble" but will generally go for the colour their skin displays, and that's because that's literally what the classification means.

Of course there is "black culture" and "white culture", and you can be raised on any or both and be parented by any or both, but if we have a woman whose skin colour is white, factions are white and acts white yet is called black because she has black traits on her dna, then the "white" and "black" classification literally means nothing.

 

 

 

or the white and black classification depends on the individual who inherited both white and black heritage. There's much more to being black than literally being dark. yall makin this way more difficult than it has to be, its wild.