Gaga: "I know I'm a white woman. I'm not confused"

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8 minutes ago, Talent said:

Your first response was:

It's something followers of said movements keep spewing out, along with other hateful stuff. I didn't say the communities were made for that, I quoted said stuff by said followers.

 

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You said you'd go, shoo away now.

 

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I don't get the whole backlash she gets from Beyoncé fans. Beyoncé was privileged too, it's not like she had to fight to be where she is because her father was the one who put her on a group in the first place.

So why are they calling Gaga a white privileged b*tch? 

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11 hours ago, GagaInTheZone said:

Exactly. They all praise the hell out of Beyoncé yet she's the one that never talk about such issues

True. She just has this "f you, f you too" kind of attitude and when stuff like this happens she's silent. She just wants to be mad about something. 

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Her voice has gone deeper

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11 hours ago, ItWasntLaauv said:

This s*** pisses me tf off holy f***!! All throughout Gaga's career, she has been a champion for human rights, Gaga literally risked her reputation with writing Born This Way. These keyboard warriors think their s*** don't stink, I'd like to see what they've done to actually help the state of the world on the same impact as Gaga.

THERE ARE LITERAL NAZIS/WHITE SUPREMACISTS and these people are actually taking the time to nitpick Gaga's amazing intentions of love and anti-violence??! F*** out of here with that BS, these people make me furious, I can't remember the last time I was fuming this much holy s***. I can't.

1000% agree. It's so annoying, and honestly just sad. We focus on celebrity, fame and social media rather than the actual issues at hand. If you know anything about this woman, you know that she cares for the good of the entire world, and has made it a large part of her career to do and make change. 

And it pisses me off even further when people on a GAGA FORUM want her to shut up about these topics as to not polarize GP. The world is literally ending; people are being killed by terrorism everyday, and now we have Nazi's marching in the streets and plowing over peaceful protestors. 

If anything, now is the time to step up and say something. Better yet, DO SOMETHING. And I implore all of you "fans" to follow suit and make this world a better place. 

 

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Being a white woman does not mean you can't be enlightened about race issues or can't be non-racist or can't be right about anything to do with race. Your race does not define you. White people living today who have never been racist have nothing to apologise for. And you can bet they can be just as intelligent, or even more intelligent, than certain people in non-white races. Being part of an oppressed group doesn't automatically mean that you know everything about this group. Sometimes, outsiders can have done far more research than you and can provide an insight that never occured to you. It's sad that so many POC have been raised in households that have reinforced this idea of: "As a POC, you're screwed and white people will always try and bring you down, so don't believe them or trust them." It's a toxic idea that is tearing humanity apart. Individualism is where it's at. Beyonce hasn't done any of this stuff and yet she gets praised by the black community for speaking up for black people despite the fact that she's trotted out nothing but harmful stereotypes in her work. Gaga has done more for social justice than Beyonce ever has and she does it intelligently too but when she does it, all she gets is a bunch of criticism because the world doesn't like a white woman who knows her own mind.

10 hours ago, Talent said:

Sorry. Reverse racism doesn't exist- https://www.dailydot.com/via/reverse-racism-doesnt-exist/
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And they're saying that Gaga needs to be more educated. This is not the first time something like that happens in the US, but as a white person maybe you don't know about it. So saying "This Is Not Us" (when America is actually pretty racist and it was founded on white supremacy/slavery) it's tone deaf.

Reverse racism is simply racism. Do you think any black person who has ever murdered white people in cold blood while their supporters shouted "Black power!" is not racist? And this stuff does happen, it's just that it doesn't fit the narrative the media want to portray of reality. I think people who say stuff like this have just never had anything of the sort happen to them, so they don't know how it feels. Being assumed to be ignorant and racist because I am white is literally one of the most offensive things that has ever happened to me and it feels so condescending to be constantly being told to educate myself. I have educated myself, I've been doing it for years. I came into this world fighting for equality and never even had to be taught about it to believe in it. You know that Gaga wasn't referring to the past when she made that hashtag. It's just such a cowardly place to take it when all that BLM supporters can ever talk about is slavery and the past. We're talking about today. Gaga was saying that the average American today doesn't support this hatred. How could anyone else possibly see any other interpretation to this unless they were being deliberately obstructive? Something else - I don't see anyone ever quibbling the definition of sexism which is "prejudice against someone because of their gender." Sexism can happen to men as well, even as a feminist woman, I understand that. I would never try to claim that sexism only happens to women and I'd be put in my place if I did try to claim this. So, why do POC think they have the right to change the definition of racism to conveniently paint themselves in a positive light so they can do no wrong?

9 hours ago, GhettoFabulous said:

Her roots show in some of her behaviors, like carrying hot-sauce in her purse, a must have for a southerner in need of spice at any given time. If she’s repping the local Louisiana brands, she’s likely carrying Tabasco, Crystal or Louisiana hot sauce? This line is  also used as an easter egg in Lemonade: When Bey destroys a car with a baseball bat, you can see the name on the bat just because you don’t get it don’t make it stupid sis  our  sis doesn’t always have deep ass lyrics either so... I mean..

They weren't asking for an explanation. They understood it perfectly well. They said they didn't like the lyric, not that they didn't get it. Assuming that they didn't like the lyric because they couldn't understand it is a really out of line assumption. White people aren't stupid, we can understand things that come from outwith our culture, you know. And by the way, not just black people like hot sauce, it's hardly a black specific stereotype like they like to believe it is. The fact you think it is black specific is part of the problem. Anything to create division, basically. Gaga may not always have the best lyrics either but at least she isn't praised to high heaven for stupid ones like Beyonce is. I've begun to see a pattern - black artists can write about any old s**t and spout nonsense and critics still love them. When a white artist does the same thing, they get slammed.

5 hours ago, SEANGT said:

Again, just because Gaga's tweets were good doesn't mean they couldn't have been better. If people are being pushed away that's their issue. People need to learn to listen. Especially to people of color. Even when it makes them uncomfortable. 

Why is everything that a white person does never good enough? Why is it that we're encouraged to speak up but when we do, it's still criticised, no matter what? Why can't a white person be just as intelligent as any POC when it comes to speaking about race? The same old platitudes for improvement are always listed - listen to POC and don't speak over them. I've been doing that from the beginning. Doesn't mean I can't point out the times that they are factually wrong or misinterpreting something or being over-sensitive or calling something a black-specific issue when it's not. Because no person is immune from criticism.

2 hours ago, Censored said:

SJWs, feminists, BLMs, all bullshit. If you support SJW, you get called fake and trying to escape responsibilities. If you support feminism, you're just a fake man that tries to get on women's good sides. If you support BLM you can't even support it if you ain't black cause you're a "white ass bitch" or "hidden cracker".

The only privileged people are the people that started these groups and are part of them, lol. The privilege of having their stupidity acknowledged by a ton of other people, that is.

Hey, don't drag us feminists into this. Some feminists are SJWs but not all of them are. Feminists were around decades before SJWs were and they have always stood for equal rights, not better rights. You just haven't been talking to the right ones. The male-orientated media have been trying to brainwash the public into believing that feminists are man-hating lesbians who never shave their armpits and want to gain superiority over men. Women like this are not only extremely rare but they are not even real feminists because they go against what feminism stands for. Real feminists disown women like them. They're not feminists, they're just nuts. Real feminists don't hang around Tumblr, hence why the term "Tumblr feminism" and "fake feminism" were invented. If you want to talk to a real feminist, you'll get a very different take if you speak to me.

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@StrawberryBlond Literally no one said white people are stupid and don’t eat hot sauce girl. He called the lyric stupid and pointless so I explained it to him(maybe they didn’t understand it)  it’s not that deep for you to write us a novel with a side bible . Literally girl imma leave it at that if you think black artist are privileged in the industry?! I’m...  

 

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27 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Reverse racism is simply racism. Do you think any black person who has ever murdered white people in cold blood while their supporters shouted "Black power!" is not racist?

When did that happen? 

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11 minutes ago, GhettoFabulous said:

@StrawberryBlond Literally no one said white people are stupid and don’t eat hot sauce girl. He called the lyric stupid and pointless so I explained it to him(maybe they didn’t understand it)  it’s not that deep for you to write us a novel with a side bible . Literally girl imma leave it at that if you think black artist are privileged in the industry?! I’m... 

Considering that you felt the need to explain such a simple lyric implies that you believed them to be stupid. Assuming that the only reason someone doesn't agree with you is because they can't understand is beyond arrogant. I think Beyonce's lyric is stupid with 100% valid reasoning behind it, thanks very much. I'm not even from a country where hot sauce is a thing and I understand it because I live and breathe American culture. Beyonce doesn't make deep lyrics, they're not that hard to work out. And yes, black artists are privileged in the industry. I've got receipts for miles. Its like it's the mid 00's again, when being a white artist was hard because black artists were all the public wanted to hear. I can give you indepth analysis but I doubt you'd want to hear that considering you complain about my "novels with a side bible." But for a quick piece of reference, just to scratch the surface, look up the critical reception of Beyonce's, Kendrick's and Jay's last few albums compared to Gaga's, Ariana's and Katy's. Then look up the most awarded and nominated artists in Grammy history. Then look up the Billboard Hot 100's list of #1's this year. And then look up Billboard Hot 100's list of #1's from 2004 to blow your entire 'white people own the charts' theory apart.

4 minutes ago, Talent said:

When did that happen? 

You must have heard about it? The Dallas shooting in 2016? It was all over the news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers#Standoff_and_shooter.27s_death

There have been other similar incidents. BLM supporters in Milwaukee were filmed trooping through the streets during a violent protest chanting "black power," "beat up all white people," "they're white, get they ass," busting the windows of cars with white people inside them, beating up white people in the street for no reason. It's all on YouTube. BLM supporters have also chanted things like: "Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" and "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" at other marches.

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41 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Why is everything that a white person does never good enough? Why is it that we're encouraged to speak up but when we do, it's still criticised, no matter what? Why can't a white person be just as intelligent as any POC when it comes to speaking about race? The same old platitudes for improvement are always listed - listen to POC and don't speak over them. I've been doing that from the beginning. Doesn't mean I can't point out the times that they are factually wrong or misinterpreting something or being over-sensitive or calling something a black-specific issue when it's not. Because no person is immune from criticism.

I'm sorry you are feeling so attacked. I really am this isn't sarcasm or anything I hope you aren't too upset rn I'm just going to try to explain why I think this is controversial. 

It's not really about being good enough as a white person. You just have to look at it from a different perspective. A person of color has a very different experience as an American than a white person does. I'm white so I can't speak for them, but that's what I have heard... and seen in countless statistics.

So, once I really started to think about what life must be like being constantly bombarded with racism, I started to read & listen to POC online with empathy. I don't expect anyone to politely sit down and engage in the discourse with every white person until they understand. It's gonna be angry and emotional and judgmental sometimes. But you can read past that and understand the idea behind the emotion rather than getting frustrated or angry. I think that's what everyone should do. 

In this particular instance, I'm just saying that I have seen many POC online using this tragedy to raise awareness of the high racial tensions in America, and I can understand how #ThisIsNotUS might simplify things too much. If that's one of the most popular responses to this tragedy, I can see how it might be emotional for people when the America they live in daily IS filled with racism that was on display in Cville.

Let me give you a hypothetical example I feel probably happened: You see #ThisIsNotUS trending on twitter regarding the Cville tragedy. You check your notifications and you have a bunch people calling you racial slurs. #ThisIsNotUS seems to miss the point that the main issue is racism is a huge problem in America and always has been. #WeHaveWorkToDo would be more like it. lol. 

 

 

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@Talent  that's a strange response. What's so funny about stories of murder and mindless beatings and vandalism?

53 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

I'm sorry you are feeling so attacked. I really am this isn't sarcasm or anything I hope you aren't too upset rn I'm just going to try to explain why I think this is controversial. 

It's not really about being good enough as a white person. You just have to look at it from a different perspective. A person of color has a very different experience as an American than a white person does. I'm white so I can't speak for them, but that's what I have heard... and seen in countless statistics.

So, once I really started to think about what life must be like being constantly bombarded with racism, I started to read & listen to POC online with empathy. I don't expect anyone to politely sit down and engage in the discourse with every white person until they understand. It's gonna be angry and emotional and judgmental sometimes. But you can read past that and understand the idea behind the emotion rather than getting frustrated or angry. I think that's what everyone should do. 

In this particular instance, I'm just saying that I have seen many POC online using this tragedy to raise awareness of the high racial tensions in America, and I can understand how #ThisIsNotUS might simplify things too much. If that's one of the most popular responses to this tragedy, I can see how it might be emotional for people when the America they live in daily IS filled with racism that was on display in Cville.

Let me give you a hypothetical example I feel probably happened: You see #ThisIsNotUS trending on twitter regarding the Cville tragedy. You check your notifications and you have a bunch people calling you racial slurs. #ThisIsNotUS seems to miss the point that the main issue is racism is a huge problem in America and always has been. #WeHaveWorkToDo would be more like it. lol.

See, I can see that your intentions are good. But you have to realise that not every white person has had the sheltered life you've had. Now, I'm not even American, I'm British (another thing that makes people stop listening to me immediately because how could I possibly know what's going on in America?) and I realise that American experiences will be different but it doesn't invalidate the things I've been through.

The assumption is that white people have never had to feel empathy for minorities which is a huge lie that really smears the name of good white people. I have always felt empathy for everyone since before I can remember. The whole concept of discrimination never gelled with me as a child because I couldn't work out why someone would be mean to another person for no reason. I have always treated everyone around me with kindness and respect and I don't feel the need to be nasty unless provoked. It's a complete myth that white people have never had to feel rejection or like they didn't belong. All my life, I've had to experience bullying, being ignored, laughed at, sometimes even by complete strangers, for things I couldn't help. That's why Gaga's Monster Ball speech about rejecting anyone who has ever made you feel like you weren't good enough rings so true with me and makes me well up every time. To be honest, all the people who have ever been mean to me in real life have been white people. I don't know where this idea exists that we all support each other because I've found that people who look like you are simultaneously your biggest allies and your worst enemies. So, bearing all this in mind, I find it very hard to accept when a black person tries to tell me that I will never experience certain hardships in life. That I will never have to feel their insecurities. Because I've been there. My whole life, I've been made to be feel different from everyone else, even though they look like me, for this, that and the next thing. I sometimes feel like I'm a magnet for people to pick on and I don't know why. So, when I try to say that actually, I've been though exactly the same experience as a black person, I get told that it's not the same because I'm white and therefore it's completely different. Even though it's not. But my feelings appear not to matter because white people complain over nothing, apparently. And even when I dish out nothing but kindness, there's still something I could be doing better, even though the exact same views coming from a black person are praised. I'm told that I need to educate and enlighten myself and empathise even though the people who are accusing me of this clearly haven't taken their own advice. One of the few things about myself that I have confidence in is my intelligence and I don't appreciate it getting assumed to be low just because I am white. I have studied the black experience immensely. I even studied sociology at university and have a degree in religious studies. What do any detractors know about that? Nothing. Although one of them once said that I either couldn't have listened very well in sociology (or I'd agree with the sociological definition of racism) or I was making it all up. White people are always believed? Not in my world.

Put it this way, if there was some sort of anti-women march in my city, I'd be so thrilled if a male celebrity started the hashtag #ThisIsNotUs, meaning that yes, there are some s****y men out there, but not all of them are, and some men are feminists and support women and think this march is unacceptable. I wouldn't think of any reason to be negative about such a hashtag. That would give me hope, actually. I want more men to join our cause and I don't want to push them away if they show enthusiasm to be allies. I don't know why anyone would want to criticise anyone for speaking out against such a horrible thing and supporting such an oppressed community. I'm grateful for every bit of support my community gets and I reserve my hate for the real enemies, not supporters. I don't know why people can't identify kindness when they see it.

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i wish you would all stop defending gaga when she ****s up - "#ThisIsNotUs" is just white liberals trying to distance themselves from white supremacy like fake martyrs of systematic oppression - it IS us

all white people are responsible for the upholding of white supremacy and for the fall of it 

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Call me when black people stop slaughtering transwomen of color and upholding a book that promotes archaic ideals of gender and human rights

Take per capita the mutual acceptance of trans/trans POC and black people in general and tell me which one fights more for the other's rights, and which one slaughters the other

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I guess black people forgot that neo-nazi and white nationalist means they hate everyone who isn't straight and white and generally Christian. Not just the black people.