Psychedelic 1,098 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Please point out the people who have hated this because it's not "artsy" enough. Because something was meant to be fun/not to be taken seriously doesn't mean it can't look cheap/tacky, or people can't say what they think about it. "Fun" doesn't make something automatically immune from criticism especially when work has actually gone into planning it It looks cheap and tacky from your point of view. I'm sorry but I'm one of those people with the idea of 'if you don't have anything positive to say, better off quiet'. But you're definitely entitled to having your stiff and stuck up point of view and make it clear... just don't expect it not to come back right at you when you less need it!!! :reductive: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash 11 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) It looks cheap and tacky from your point of view. I'm sorry but I'm one of those people with the idea of 'if you don't have anything positive to say, better off quiet'. But you're definitely entitled to having your stiff and stuck up point of view and make it clear... just don't expect it not to come back right at you when you less need it!!! :reductive: Of course it's my point of view, did I say it was not? My point was that trying to say everyone who didn't like it did so because they were looking for "art" or because it's meant to be "fun" so the people who didn't like it are missing the point is meaningless, since you can dislike it for reasons apart from those. The latter part of your post doesn't make any sense to me, sorry. So, i'll leave it at that Edited February 15, 2014 by Fiendfyre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Edit: To those who are hating on her for using "gimmicks", let's just take a look at Gaga's gimmicks: -Meat Dress -Born This Way Album Cover -Riding on stage on a horse -Arriving at the AMA's on a horse -Full frontal video -Kermit The Frog outfit -Bleeding to death on stage -Giant Angler Fish -Bleeding Fountain -Almost every outfit ever -Etc. You did not just compare these to Miley's twerking, tongue and cheap d--g references. Besides Gaga has a story and meaning to back them up. The meat dress for example is a gay rights symbol("Equality is the prime rib of America" anyone?), the BTW cover, she said, is a metaphor on how she's constantly changing and transforming, the Kermit dress was about how she's against wearing fur(well she changed her mind on that one ), all the "gimmicks" from TMB were parts of the story she was telling with the show, the full frontal video is the Abramović method which you can google what it is. So please don't compare Miley to Gaga when it comes to "gimmicks". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) You did not just compare these to Miley's twerking, tongue and cheap d--g references. Besides Gaga has a story and meaning to back them up. The meat dress for example is a gay rights symbol("Equality is the prime rib of America" anyone?), the BTW cover, she said, is a metaphor on how she's constantly changing and transforming, the Kermit dress was about how she's against wearing fur(well she changed her mind on that one ), all the "gimmicks" from TMB were parts of the story she was telling with the show, the full frontal video is the Abramović method which you can google what it is. So please don't compare Miley to Gaga when it comes to "gimmicks". I did compare them, actually. Regardless of their "meanings", they are gimmicks. If Gaga wanted to speak about gay rights, she could've. She didn't have to wear meat. And as the motorcycle...come on. We all know Gaga is constantly changing and transforming. She talks about it constantly, did she have to use a motorcycle? The tour gimmicks...are gimmicks. Sure they are part of the story, but they are used to attract attention (definition of a gimmick). And I know why she did the video. But let's be honest, all the attention went to "gaga being nude" rather than "wow look at this really artistic thing gaga did today". So please don't tell me not to compare Miley to Gaga. Gimmicks are gimmicks regardless of meanings. They are used to attract attention. That's all there is to it. Edited February 15, 2014 by Zefron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack 15 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 You did not just compare these to Miley's twerking, tongue and cheap d--g references. Gaga is the queen of cheap d--g references though. I never disliked a moment in her career so much as when she used the word "high" everywhere and everytime and even dressed up as a marijuana princess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygaga 60 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 was this yesterday? I passed the venue on my way back from school and wondered why there were so many ppl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I did compare them, actually. Regardless of their "meanings", they are gimmicks. If Gaga wanted to speak about gay rights, she could've. She didn't have to wear meat. And as the motorcycle...come on. We all know Gaga is constantly changing and transforming. She talks about it constantly, did she have to use a motorcycle? The tour gimmicks...are gimmicks. Sure they are part of the story, but they are used to attract attention (definition of a gimmick). And I know why she did the video. But let's be honest, all the attention went to "gaga being nude" rather than "wow look at this really artistic thing gaga did today". So please don't tell me not to compare Miley to Gaga. Gimmicks are gimmicks regardless of meanings. They are used to attract attention. That's all there is to it. This is kind of like saying that Adele's singing abilities are the same as Katy Perry's, cause singing is singing regardless of talent, but ok. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 So sure, Miley's props may seem tacky, but that's her style. Just like how Gaga's style is using pretentious art to make a point. Plus, it's Miley's tour. She isn't trying to get attention...she is just trying to give her fans the show they expected. This tour is the end of the Bangerz era so it's not like she is still desperate for people to buy her album. You're joking right? Of course she's trying to get attention ffs You do know she's not doing only one show right? So she needs attention for future dates and her tour as a whole, so people in upcoming dates can see what they got in a particular date and that it'll make them want to go. Case in point, the people in this thread who from seeing those vids are now thinking about buying tickets. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faux 2,190 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 And as the motorcycle...come on. We all know Gaga is constantly changing and transforming. She talks about it constantly, did she have to use a motorcycle? Why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 This is kind of like saying that Adele's singing abilities are the same as Katy Perry's, cause singing is singing regardless of talent, but ok. I guess you have your opinion and I have mine. I'm not saying that at all. If you want to talk singing abilities, then we would have to incorporate subjects such as tone, vocal ability, natural talent. In which case, of course Adele is better at singing than Katy. You, however, told me to not compare Miley's gimmicks to Gaga's gimmicks (and I assume because you think Gaga's gimmicks are somehow more credible than Miley's). When in theory and by definition, a gimmick is something that is just "attraction seeking". So Gaga and Miley are exactly the same. However, I will help you make your point. You are trying to say that Gaga has meaning behind gimmicks and Miley doesn't. But then, of course, you are wrong there to. Miley herself has put meaning behind her actions whether she was saying "I do it because I'm shy" or "it's an orchestrated hot mess." So, again, you're wrong. So pretty much, I think you are just trying to say you agree with Gaga's gimmicks and not Miley's. Which makes sense because you're a biased Little Monster. So, don't say Gaga is any better than Miley. Just say you favor Gaga over Miley. It's as simple as that. And while we are talking, please give me some insight on the meaning behind these particular gimmicks: You're joking right? Of course she's trying to get attention ffs You do know she's not doing only one show right? So she needs attention for future dates and her tour as a whole, so people in upcoming dates can see what they got in a particular date and that it'll make them want to go. Case in point, the people in this thread who from seeing those vids are now thinking about buying tickets. She doesn't have to try and get attention at her own concert ffs. Everyone is there to watch her. My point is that she is giving them what they paid for, not trying to keep them watching the entire time, because they will be watching the entire time no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Gaga is the queen of cheap d--g references though. I never disliked a moment in her career so much as when she used the word "high" everywhere and everytime and even dressed up as a marijuana princess I said that, cause it's one of Miley's biggest things that drags attention to her. Gaga don't make headlines with d--gs, I'm not saying she wasn't open about them. And at least she really experienced them. I don't really believe that Miley pops a molly every time she goes to a party, do c-----e and smokes weed often and yet she makes song about these things and is dressed in a marijuana bodysuit. That's why I just can't bring myself to like her (even tho I actually think she's talented) she's just fake to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Why not? If you're agreeing with the person who I was replying to...then why can't Miley twerk? Why can't Miley stick her tongue out? Why can't Miley make d--g references? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,901 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Are we getting the rest of the videos or....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack 15 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 If you're agreeing with the person who I was replying to...then why can't Miley twerk? Why can't Miley stick her tongue out? Why can't Miley make d--g references? I would like to see answers to the first question. I really don't understand why twerk is the new biggest sin around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I would like to see answers to the first question. I really don't understand why twerk is the new biggest sin around Right? Like, we all know it will die down sooner or later. But every year has it's own trends and fads, and this year it just happened to be twerking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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