ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,272 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Hey guys. I haven't started a topic in awhile and I'm sorry if it's in the wrong part of the forum. But as I'm gearing up for the JWT at CitiField I've been playing my Gaga Apple Music playlist more frequently. The Edge of Glory came on and I thought to myself ....."self, why in God's green earth did Gaga release this song as a promo single?" I mean think about it. That is one of her best pure pop songs with mainstream appeal with the Clarence feature. To think that it may never have been as big is crazy to me. As much as I love Judas, I'm almost happy it received that backlash because we may have never gotten it as a single. It's rare for Gaga and other artists (besides Katy ) to release a promo single subsequently as an official single. A similar thing happened with DWUW and I also feel as though that it was one of the more mainstream songs on ARTPOP. It definitely makes you think of the struggle Gaga and other artists must have with management/record labels to put out different songs as singles than they envision during the recording process. What other songs from previous albums do you guys think could've been great singles, or other promo singles she's had that would be better as singles? These are mine: The Fame: All of these singles were handled perfectly, wouldn't change a thing. The Fame Monster: Bad Romance Telephone Alejandro Dance in the Dark DITD should've unquestionably been the fourth single. Imagining the video for that makes me horny already. Born This Way: Born This Way The Edge of Glory ScheiBe You and I Marry the Night Judas is one of my favorite Gaga songs ever. However I would've made it a promo single and/or give it a video (since all BTW songs were supposed to have videos lol) at the very least. I agree with Gaga on the sentiment that an album cycle doesn't need to be single, video, performances, repeat. I really think ScheiBe would've done well on dance radio and even in clubs. ARTPOP: Applause Do What U Want Venus Gypsy So this album cycle sure was interesting. I'm not sure why her record label didn't see the massive impact DWUW could've had and released as the second single at the get go. As much as I love Gaga and respect her for her vision, I would've done a video that wasn't as risqué. Unfortunately the controversy surrounding R. Kelly would've been scrutinized and therefore the video and performances should've been a bit more tame. I actually could've seen a video similar to the AMA performance ala National Anthem. The pre and chorus in Venus is seriously one of her best ever. And the fact that the video was shot and never released ...even if it didn't get sent to radio...also is crazy. GUY, in my opinion wasn't the best single choice. But again, the video was epic and still could've been released. Finally, Gypsy was the most radio friendly song on the album and definitely should've been the final single. It really pains me thinking back to that post on LM.com that her management was ******g her over and this cycle didn't reach its full potential. Joanne: Diamond Heart Million Reasons Dancin in Circles Hey Girl So I love perfect Illusion but I think it would've been a better promo single along with A-YO. Diamond Heart would've been epic at the Super Bowl. I'm really happy Million Reasons was as successful as it was, the song meant a lot to her. Some people didn't enjoy the video but I really think it showed immense artistic growth. John Wayne was nice with a video as well but I don't think radio would've played it that much. Dancin in Circles may have suggestive lyrics but there was a song about sadism and masochism on the radio as well. Finally Hey Girl is a perfect final single, although long, I'm sure some of the instrumentals can be shortened. A performance with them at the Grammys would be everything! What do you guys think? Sorry for the long post but it's a Sunday and I'm bored. Hope everyone enjoys their day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whore 11,447 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Disagree with "Scheiße" as a single. It's probably the best non-single from Born This Way, but the love for it wouldn't stretch far from the fan base. For one, the title is an explicative. Also, Germany and other German-speaking countries would scrutinize it/possibly be offended (especially since she slips in "fraulein" which can be an insult in certain situations) Same could be applied to "Gypsy," which has negative connotations in many countries. Also, Joanne should have gone completely differently. Too many missed opportunities for hit singles. It should have gone: Perfect Illusion A-YO John Wayne (everyone I know loves it) Dancin' In Circles Million Reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,272 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, Possibly Maybe said: Disagree with "Scheiße" as a single. It's probably the best non-single from Born This Way, but the love for it wouldn't stretch far from the fan base. For one, the title is an explicative. Also, Germany and other German-speaking countries would scrutinize it/possibly be offended (especially since she slips in "fraulein" which can be an insult in certain situations) Also, Joanne should have gone completely differently. Too many missed opportunities for hit singles. It should have gone: Perfect Illusion A-YO John Wayne (everyone I know loves it) Dancin' In Circles Million Reasons Ahhh that's a good point!!! Totally disregarded the fact that it's an expletive. By the way this is the first time someone responded to a thread I created (there haven't been many) and has actually given constructive feedback and not some complaint about placement or length lol. Thank you ! With regard to Perfect Illusion, I still am firm on the fact that it shouldn't have been the lead. I still don't feel like it truly represents the tone of the album. And yes, everyone loves John Wayne but what you said about Scheiße (I just learned how to type that) may apply here. The lyrics aren't too relatable and the "let's get high" part may not fly on radio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,811 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I think Dance in the Dark, Bloody Mary and Aura (Swine Fest version) should've become singles Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juju 18,907 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 DITD, Scheisse, and Hey Girl definitely deserved at least the video treatment. 3 of her best songs. ❤ x ❤ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,272 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, juju said: DITD, Scheisse, and Hey Girl definitely deserved at least the video treatment. 3 of her best songs. Totally agree!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 im glad JW got a video but it deserved to be a single i don't really like to be a little manager but i feel like MTN should have been the second single and Scheisse as the final single, so it's more for than fans instead of the charts and honestly, TFM could have been a visual album since it's only 8 tracks https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbby 939 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 The Fame We obviously can't knock that era too much, since it put the girl on the map and was executed so well. I do wish Boys, Boys, Boys got the single treatment it was supposed to. It might have been hard to squeeze and I did love the darkness bridge between Paparazzi and Bad Romance, which is where it was supposed to fit between. I think it would have played in well to the Fame era, though. The Fame Monster: Bad Romance Telephone Alejandro Monster/Teeth DITD is still my favorite Gaga song, and I would love a video but I'm not sure how it would have performed as a single. I think Monster or Teeth would have jived better with the GP. Born This Way: Born This Way Judas Edge of Glory You and I Marry the Night ScheiBe I still think ScheiBe would have slaaayed as a single. I wouldn't take anything away though. Maybe Judas, but that stirred people up in a good way. ARTPOP: Venus ARTPOP Sexxx Dreams G.U.Y. MANiCURE Lord I hated the single choices during ARTPOP. I love that damn album but Applause is probably my least favorite Gaga song on her whole discography. DWUW I just can't stomach R Kelly and don't love it anyway. I think Venus would have been fun, and fit the era well. A lot of my friends who went to Coachella heard Sexxx Dreams for the first time and now all LOVE it, so I think that would have fit well with her brand. MANiCURE I think is just so fun. Joanne: A-YO Million Reasons John Wayne Diamond Heart I still think A-Yo is just SO fun, and such a phenomenal song. John Wayne and Diamond Heart have similar energy but the two together might have been repetitive so maybe just one of the two. Used to be on here as broadwaybobby in TFM era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neroneau 1,017 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 all my friends like Dancin in Circles and/or say it sounds like a hit yet it still has Gaga all over it (in a good way), and none of my friends are Gaga fans, soo we've got GP opinion right there. Write this down Gaga management Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 12,062 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 My only major change is You and I. I don't think it should have been a single from BTW. To me, singles are supposed to be representative of the album and that song sticks out like a sore thumb. I love it, but I don't think it does a good job reflecting the album. Also, I would have done BTW then Marry the Night and then Edge of Glory. The biggest shame is that MTN got thrown to **** as a fifth single and I don't think this listing saves it lol Scheiße is a weird little situation for me. I love the song, everyone I've played it for who isn't a stan LOVES it and thinks it's so fun and catchy (it is), but it also has a swear and as a concept I could see people thinking it is pretentious. Still, I think it would be cool having MTN (a song about insecurities), Scheiße (feminism), and BTW (loving yourself) as singles. It achieves the core vision she has for the album. So I'm torn. For Joanne, I would have made A-YO a single just because it's fun and has a sound indicative of the album. I like your analysis, though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
homomo 23,883 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 The Edge of Glory was the official third single. It was a promo single for a week, and then was released. 0110100001100101011011000110110001101111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oryank21 253 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 The Fame - should stay the same because it was pretty much perfect in every aspect The Fame Monster - Bad Romance Telephone Monster Alejandro (Maybe) So Happy I Could Die needed more singles and i think monster and shicd are two really balanced gaga/radio friendly songs dance in the dark is a bit too dark for the gp imo eventhough it is in my top 3 favorite songs of gaga and possibly of all time Born This Way - Born This Way Hair Scheibe The Edge Of Glory Marry The Night judas and you and i are not that good to be singles imo as other tracks on the album, having hair a heavy pop ballad after born this way is smart imo and then scheibe to get more pop but keep the simillar sound in the singles and then another pop ballad and after that marry the night wich is again in my top 3 gaga songs and all time! ARTPOP - Venus / Fashion! i really think they represent the sound of ARTPOP Sexxx Dreams MANiCURE G.U.Y Applause this whole era is just Venus and Fashion! really represent the sound of ARTPOP and are also balanced as gaga/radio friendly songs, sexxx dreams to change things up a little, guy because it is pop perfection and applause because it feels like a fitting era closing song like in the album Joanne - Diamond Heart John Wayne Dancin' In Circles Perfect Illusion Million Reasons diamond heart is radio friendly and a bit gaga like the past, fits what direction she was going, john wayne to show the past dark gaga isnt totally gone , dancin in circles because it is also very hit like, perfect illusion because if promoted right could have been a top ten hit with out a problem also by far my favorite song by gaga and of all time, million reasons because to close an era with a ballad is a good idea imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FfFfFfFF 56,534 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 The singles are basically promo for the album. The picking up of singles is a complex thing and depends on certain strategies the team adopts because there is a whole context behind the scenes we don't really know but the main purpose is to show the people a ''sample'' for something which they hypothetically like. The Fame Just Dance and Poker Face were huge #1 hits so the decision must have been right (I wonder how different would have been Gaga's career if Just Dance wasn't a smash). I agree with the fact that BDR was only a promo one (even though I think would have been a pretty decent hit) and Eh, Eh was released only in some territories - because I don't think it's interesting enough especially for Gaga). I think Paparazzi was a smart decision too because it's an unique track and Gaga speculated the commercial interest the public had in her at that point. Poker Face and Paparazzi were good received by the critics and Poker Face and these singles and the album as a whole helped electronic music to become mainstream. Love Game was a decent hit but it's not my favorite. I know Boys Boys Boys was supposed to be the next single but there's no way this would've done better than Bad Romance - my opinion is it's a good song but I can't compare with Bad Romance. If TFM wouldn't have happened then I might like it as a single and I think it could haven been a decent hit like Love Game. There are no ballads and I think Summerboy is the closest thing to this. The song had everything to become a classic. Also Starstruck was a potential hit. The Fame Monster Bad Romance was 100% the right decision for the lead (I've read somewhere that Gaga was the one that kept pushing BR as a lead) and even to talk about this is pointless. Telephone and Alejandro were right moves too. Then we have Monster that would have been a hit, but there are already a lot of singles and this record is only an EP. Dance In The Dark got released only in some countries but tit was meant be a Gaga classic. It was a highlight of the album both for the critics and fans and encapsulates the general aesthetic of the album and also the image of Gaga. It wasn't even a single and peaked in #20s in my country so there's no way the GP wouldn't shared interest in this track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 This would be ideal for me: The Fame: Just Dance Poker Face. LoveGame I Like It Rough I felt like this was such an underrated song,and I think this's would be a great single. Paparazzi The Fame Monster: Bad Romance Dance In The Dark I know it was a single,but it didn't get the attention it deserved. Telephone Alejandro Born This Way: Born This Way Judas Heavy Metal Lover Maybe the most underrated song of Gaga.This would have been an amazing single. TEOG ScheiBe This was just perfect for a single,even Gaga herself wanted it for a single. Marry The Night ARTPOP: Applause Sexxx Dreams One of the best songs of ARTPOP,definitely deserved single treatment. DWUW G.U.Y Venus Just a missed oppurtunity for such a great song. Donatella I know this song has some extreme lyrics,but with that beat and her vocals,this could have been a great hit I think. Joanne: Perfect Illusion Million Reasons A-Yo Deserved way more then what it already is given as single treatment. John Wayne It has a epic music video,but it deserved more single treatment. The Cure(not on the album,but I still like it as a single) Dancin' In Circles From the moment the album was released,fans wanted to have DIC as a single,so I think this would've been a great single to end the era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,272 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, ryanripley said: im glad JW got a video but it deserved to be a single i don't really like to be a little manager but i feel like MTN should have been the second single and Scheisse as the final single, so it's more for than fans instead of the charts and honestly, TFM could have been a visual album since it's only 8 tracks Yes thank you for bringing that point up, I totally am not saying she has made bad career choices, the reason I am such a big fan is because I respect everything she has done and she has literally saved my life on several occasions. I just feel as though the singles would've really been iconic and provided more videos, etc. I too sometimes cringe at the thought of some fans scrutinizing Gaga and thinking they could be a popstar better than she can. This is just a fun conversation looking back at some of her iconic non-singles. And there are several! By the way the thought of TFM as a visual album just made me hard such a good idea! It would blow Lemonade out of the water imo (although Lemonade is also amazing) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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