GaGa is NOT a feminist

[EmeraldHeart 335]

3 minutes ago, Buddy said:

Intersectionality is completely valid on paper, but lets be real. People only complain about it in 2017 because of the oppression olympics, they want to be oppressed more. On top of that they have a distaste for white people and don't believe them when they claim to have any sort of struggle 

It is a significant portion of those who claim and reinforce the word. Most people who sensibly believe in gender equality who fit within the google dictionary definition do not claim to be apart of the feminist movement. I refuse to claim the word because activist feminists have integrated the vagueness of that definition into their political tactics 

I think the overwhelming majority of users on GGD can be considered feminist using the definition, but the word has taken on a whole different political meaning in 2017, and I'd prefer to separate myself from it

You're so full of **** I'm sorry but

"Intersectionality is valid and makes sense on paper, BUUUT when we actually put it into practice I'm against it - it's just people complaining because they want to be oppressed.... Also they hate white people like me and don't believe that we face struggles, we are so oppressed :'("

 

All you have done this entire thread is throw out accusations and assertions without anything to back up your empty claims.

"most feminists are radical and hate men!!1!"

"most people who believe in gender equality hate feminists!!!1"

"when black people complain about issues facing their community it's because they want to be oppressed and they hate white people!!1!1!"

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

14 minutes ago, Buddy said:

Intersectionality is completely valid on paper, but lets be real. People only complain about it in 2017 because of the oppression olympics, they want to be oppressed more. On top of that they have a distaste for white people and don't believe them when they claim to have any sort of struggle 

It is a significant portion of those who claim and reinforce the word. Most people who sensibly believe in gender equality who fit within the google dictionary definition do not claim to be apart of the feminist movement. I refuse to claim the word because activist feminists have integrated the vagueness of that definition into their political tactics 

I think the overwhelming majority of users on GGD can be considered feminist using the definition, but the word has taken on a whole different political meaning in 2017, and I'd prefer to separate myself from it

I have a lot to say against... all of this, but this seems like a pretty strongly formed worldview, so I feel I'm unlikely to change your mind on much of it, if not any of it  

That being said, I'll say this. I don't care if people personally identify as feminist, I care about how they act. Definitions are a tricky subject, but I'll venture to say that the "google dictionary definition" is not exhaustive, and feminism is not something that can be succinctly defined by something as basic as that, let alone any 1 definition. There are different feminisms. While many people may believe they are Feminists (they may even fit certain definitions) some may strongly and actively work against equality for women and some may even be outright sexist or misogynistic without realizing it. To me, thats more important of a distinction than if one self-identifies as a feminist. By the most basic definition, most people are feminists; however, most people don't actively work to dismantle systems that oppress women (or anyone really  ) as a class, let alone check their own biases and behaviors/beliefs. Walk the walk basically  

(Also, neither I nor you are the arbiter of who is or isn't a feminist™  )

[Buddy 5,686]

49 minutes ago, EmeraldHeart said:

You're so full of **** I'm sorry but

"Intersectionality is valid and makes sense on paper, BUUUT when we actually put it into practice I'm against it - it's just people complaining because they want to be oppressed.... Also they hate white people like me and don't believe that we face struggles, we are so oppressed :'("

 

All you have done this entire thread is throw out accusations and assertions without anything to back up your empty claims.

"most feminists are radical and hate men!!1!"

"most people who believe in gender equality hate feminists!!!1"

"when black people complain about issues facing their community it's because they want to be oppressed and they hate white people!!1!1!"

You're the one who's full of ****. I don't want to be oppressed and am not oppressed, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that white people are oppressed. All I'm regarding is I can sense a lingering hatred and I don't like it. You literally just proved my point by making it all about who's oppressed more. Even I've felt that way towards white people at times, so I know the mental processing. Maybe you should give your mind more contemplation and figure out where you emotion-based opinions derive from

By the way, I never said any of those quotes so what are you even saying?

"most feminists are radical and hate men!!1!"

I never said that and don't agree, it's more complicated than that.

"most people who believe in gender equality hate feminists!!!1"

I never said that, most people who believe in gender equality don't think about feminists.

"when black people complain about issues facing their community it's because they want to be oppressed and they hate white people!!1!1!"

No, they should complain about issues facing their community and it's not because they want to be oppressed and hate white people. There are many valid issues they should be fighting. All I said is that when people are too invested in the concept of intersectionality, it's usually because they are trying to gain oppression merit putting down others in their expense 

44 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

I have a lot to say against... all of this, but this seems like a pretty strongly formed worldview, so I feel I'm unlikely to change your mind on much of it, if not any of it  

That being said, I'll say this. I don't care if people personally identify as feminist, I care about how they act. Definitions are a tricky subject, but I'll venture to say that the "google dictionary definition" is not exhaustive, and feminism is not something that can be succinctly defined by something as basic as that, let alone any 1 definition. There are different feminisms. While many people may believe they are Feminists (they may even fit certain definitions) some may strongly and actively work against equality for women and some may even be outright sexist or misogynistic without realizing it. To me, thats more important of a distinction than if one self-identifies as a feminist. By the most basic definition, most people are feminists; however, most people don't actively work to dismantle systems that oppress women (or anyone really  ) as a class, let alone check their own biases and behaviors/beliefs. Walk the walk basically  

(Also, neither I nor you are the arbiter of who is or isn't a feminist™  )

Yeah I agree, normally I don't like fighting over words as I think it's largely a waste a time. Feminism can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. My posts were mostly to regard the tactics I see extreme feminists perform, utilizing the vague definition to validate and forward their agenda

[CautiousLurker 19,303]

A lot of celebrities  who say they're feminists really aren't... In fact a lot of people who say they're feminists have no clue what feminism is and what it was intended for... And honestly, I don't mind that very much, because nowadays a person saying they are a feminist tells me very little... Look at how ridiculous the most vocal feminists in the community can get... I'm far more interested in a person's actions, and their world-view, than a label they attach to themselves, or have people attach to them... 

[EmeraldHeart 335]

40 minutes ago, Buddy said:

You're the one who's full of ****. I don't want to be oppressed and am not oppressed, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that white people are oppressed. All I'm regarding is I can sense a lingering hatred and I don't like it. You literally just proved my point by making it all about who's oppressed more. Even I've felt that way towards white people at times, so I know the mental processing. Maybe you should give your mind more contemplation and figure out where you emotion-based opinions derive from

By the way, I never said any of those quotes so what are you even saying?

"most feminists are radical and hate men!!1!"

I never said that and don't agree, it's more complicated than that.

"most people who believe in gender equality hate feminists!!!1"

I never said that, most people who believe in gender equality don't think about feminists.

"when black people complain about issues facing their community it's because they want to be oppressed and they hate white people!!1!1!"

No, they should complain about issues facing their community and it's not because they want to be oppressed and hate white people. There are many valid issues they should be fighting. All I said is that when people are too invested in the concept of intersectionality, it's usually because they are trying to gain oppression merit putting down others in their expense 

Lmao

"You're the one who's full of ****. I don't want to be oppressed and am not oppressed, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that white people are oppressed."

I was just pointing out that you started your paragraph of BS about intersectionality and feminism yet still managed to make it suddenly about how the real victim is white people, who black people "hate" and how nobody believes their struggles That's what seems like 'oppression Olympics" to me

"All I'm regarding is I can sense a lingering hatred and I don't like it. You literally just proved my point by making it all about who's oppressed more. "

I was exaggerating your point, not making it about who is oppressed more

"Even I've felt that way towards white people at times, so I know the mental processing."

You hate white people? Bro why? What's wrong with you?

"Maybe you should give your mind more contemplation and figure out where you emotion-based opinions derive from"

Again though. you're just making empty assertions - can you not see the irony dripping in everything you write?

"By the way, I never said any of those quotes so what are you even saying?"

I'm exaggerating your points

 

"No, they should complain about issues facing their community and it's not because they want to be oppressed and hate white people. There are many valid issues they should be fighting. All I said is that when people are too invested in the concept of intersectionality, it's usually because they are trying to gain oppression merit putting down others in their expense "

 

Yeah and that's just BS, like literally how are people supposed to complain about issues facing their community when, if they become invested in intersectionality, people like you claim they are just doing it to gain oppression points and put others down in their expense? (which doesn't even make sense... That's the opposite of intersectionality)

 

 

[Buddy 5,686]

1 minute ago, EmeraldHeart said:

Lmao

"You're the one who's full of ****. I don't want to be oppressed and am not oppressed, and I'm not trying to convince anyone that white people are oppressed."

I was just pointing out that you started your paragraph of BS about intersectionality and feminism yet still managed to make it suddenly about how the real victim is white people, who black people "hate" and how nobody believes their struggles That's what seems like 'oppression Olympics" to me

"All I'm regarding is I can sense a lingering hatred and I don't like it. You literally just proved my point by making it all about who's oppressed more. "

I was exaggerating your point, not making it about who is oppressed more

"Even I've felt that way towards white people at times, so I know the mental processing."

You hate white people? Bro why? What's wrong with you?

"Maybe you should give your mind more contemplation and figure out where you emotion-based opinions derive from"

Again though. you're just making empty assertions - can you not see the irony dripping in everything you write?

"By the way, I never said any of those quotes so what are you even saying?"

I'm exaggerating your points

 

Yeah and that's just BS, like literally how are people supposed to complain about issues facing their community when, if they become invested in intersectionality, people like you claim they are just going it to gain oppression points and put others down in their expense (which doesn't even make sense... That's the opposite of intersectionality)

 

 

Yes you were making it about oppression, by attempting to mock me due to you perceiving that my opinion stems from wanting to be oppressed as a white person, which couldn't be further from the truth

Exaggerated to the point that I don't agree with any of those quotes at all?

I believe that intersectionality exists, it does, but people focus on it to the point that it's no longer about aiding the actual issues at hand and more about hating on the less oppressed side for not having as many problems. I don't how many utilize it to divide rather than unify

[EmeraldHeart 335]

28 minutes ago, Buddy said:

Yes you were making it about oppression, by attempting to mock me due to you perceiving that my opinion stems from wanting to be oppressed as a white person, which couldn't be further from the truth

Exaggerated to the point that I don't agree with any of those quotes at all?

I believe that intersectionality exists, it does, but people focus on it to the point that it's no longer about aiding the actual issues at hand and more about hating on the less oppressed side for not having as many problems. I don't how many utilize it to divide rather than unify

"Yes you were making it about oppression, by attempting to mock me due to you perceiving that my opinion stems from wanting to be oppressed as a white person, which couldn't be further from the truth"

Can you not see the faults in you logic here? You are saying that other people express their opinions about feminism and intersectionality because they want to be oppressed and score oppression points...They make it all about who is more oppressed... Now you've said that, because I'm mocking you and implying that your opinion stems from you wanting to be oppressed (which isn't even what I said, nor is it what I believe ), that I'm making it about who is more oppressed. LMAO.

It's okay for you to accuse people of wanting to score 'oppression points' and be the most oppressed but when you think someone is claiming that you want to score oppression points and be the most oppressed? Suddenly they are the ones making it all about the oppression Olympics...

I mean f**k me. It's just this f**king circle of oppression points, it's hard to keep up.

"Exaggerated to the point that I don't agree with any of those quotes at all?"

That's what you sound like that though, this hyper emotional dude that's just like:

"Feminism is cancer! Also when black people talk about intersectionality it's because they hate white people, I can sense it! They are just SJW's who want to be super oppressed and don't think about the struggles of the white man"

(Also, you literally have called feminism cancer, you've said you can 'sense' that discussions over intersectionality are about how people hate white dudes and you have said that they don't believe white people can struggle - so before you complain, it seems like that's your position bro)

"I believe that intersectionality exists, it does, but people focus on it to the point that it's no longer about aiding the actual issues at hand and more about hating on the less oppressed side for not having as many problems"

 

But that's such BS that's again just an empty assertion and probably has more to do with you then those trying to argue for their issues to be included.

[gagafrontrow 267]

I'm just a cat, but I know someone who wrote about this. Meow. 

http://bit.ly/2vhepQD

[Babel 41,434]

Back when she was as out of the loop as Katy Perry is nowadays.

I'm glad she educated herself more.

[HausOfSynth 29]

I love how some of you hate when people use stereotypes to judge those in the LGBTQ+ community, but y'all are stereotyping feminists. The irony of it all.

[Henri Bardot 3,990]

4 hours ago, Peto said:

feminism sucks 

[yaaas 156]

7 hours ago, gag said:

OK but she literally straight up says 'I am a feminist' a year later so what's your point

 

To create drama

[Buddy 5,686]

4 hours ago, EmeraldHeart said:

"Yes you were making it about oppression, by attempting to mock me due to you perceiving that my opinion stems from wanting to be oppressed as a white person, which couldn't be further from the truth"

Can you not see the faults in you logic here? You are saying that other people express their opinions about feminism and intersectionality because they want to be oppressed and score oppression points...They make it all about who is more oppressed... Now you've said that, because I'm mocking you and implying that your opinion stems from you wanting to be oppressed (which isn't even what I said, nor is it what I believe ), that I'm making it about who is more oppressed. LMAO.

It's okay for you to accuse people of wanting to score 'oppression points' and be the most oppressed but when you think someone is claiming that you want to score oppression points and be the most oppressed? Suddenly they are the ones making it all about the oppression Olympics...

I mean f**k me. It's just this f**king circle of oppression points, it's hard to keep up.

"Exaggerated to the point that I don't agree with any of those quotes at all?"

That's what you sound like that though, this hyper emotional dude that's just like:

"Feminism is cancer! Also when black people talk about intersectionality it's because they hate white people, I can sense it! They are just SJW's who want to be super oppressed and don't think about the struggles of the white man"

(Also, you literally have called feminism cancer, you've said you can 'sense' that discussions over intersectionality are about how people hate white dudes and you have said that they don't believe white people can struggle - so before you complain, it seems like that's your position bro)

"I believe that intersectionality exists, it does, but people focus on it to the point that it's no longer about aiding the actual issues at hand and more about hating on the less oppressed side for not having as many problems"

 

But that's such BS that's again just an empty assertion and probably has more to do with you then those trying to argue for their issues to be included.

They do want to score oppression points, though. I am the opposite, I don't want anyone to think I am oppressed and would correct anyone if they thought that I am 

If that's what I sound like to you you obviously are incapable of seeing things the way I see  

Might be BS from your experiences, but from mine it's largely true 

2 hours ago, HausOfSynth said:

I love how some of you hate when people use stereotypes to judge those in the LGBTQ+ community, but y'all are stereotyping feminists. The irony of it all.

There are truths to every stereotype. I can't think of a gay stereotype that isn't true to an extent  

[bobbby 939]

I think there's two things to note:

1) That interview was haywire and Gaga was annoyed. I think they were asking in a presumptuous/leading way and she picked up on that. I think she was nipping it in the but by being like "no I don't hate men."

2) She obviously educated herself a LOT on social issues in the year(s) following. Remember that sis went to private school in Manhattan and then got in with the party scene in New York that tends to be pretty woman-empowering. It wasn't until she had to confront gender inequality (via the music industry) that she developed more of a POV on it.

 

Personally, when I first did diversity training in college: The first time they brought up white privilege I obviously was very defensive, but after seeing firsthand what that meant I began to educate myself more and realized that it was in-fact a very real thing. 

[peto flex 2,641]

3 hours ago, Andy Gerrr said:

WHAT?