doppelganger 3,943 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 At this point it's obvious that Bey and Jay are milking the hype surrounding their family affairs to generate interest in their music. The irony of putting out music that is supposedly personal but in reality the family is so opaque and unrelatable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U n I 38 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 hours ago, littlepotter said: So their skin gets darker as they grow? Yes that is when melanin start kicking in and the skin get darker ( some stay light skinned though) and the straight hair starts to coil and the eye color changes too as they grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Jane Wayne 1,997 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 The photo . Not everything happening in ones family should be a public spectacle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Jane Wayne 1,997 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, doppelganger said: At this point it's obvious that Bey and Jay are milking the hype surrounding their family affairs to generate interest in their music. The irony of putting out music that is supposedly personal but in reality the family is so opaque and unrelatable. At this point they're like the Kardashians of the music industry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leecy 1,476 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 On 7/14/2017 at 2:35 PM, Ferrer Zorola said: 2 millions in an hour. I hope NOBODY in the world has the nerve to say she ISN'T overrated. so being popular means overrating? seriously people have to stop all these overrated who accuses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,147 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 hours ago, U n I said: Yes that is when melanin start kicking in and the skin get darker ( some stay light skinned though) and the straight hair starts to coil and the eye color changes too as they grow. Oh wow that's interesting chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,147 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Mary Jane Wayne said: At this point they're like the Kardashians of the music industry I didn't know Beyonce got famous because her sex tape leaked chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Surrealist 27,470 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, littlepotter said: I didn't know Beyonce got famous because her sex tape leaked Kim Kardashian didn't get famous after her sex tape leaked either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,147 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dale Cooper said: Kim Kardashian didn't get famous after her sex tape leaked either. Oh, was she in a successful girl band? chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Imagine having so much POWER that posting like one photo with your children get people so pressed they try to tear down everyone and everything that is coming in contact with you. Confident black women really scare y'all, huh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Surrealist 27,470 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, littlepotter said: Oh, was she in a successful girl band? Her father is lawyer Robert Kardashian. He was in the O.J. Simpson case. Kim was always rich, she made herself famous as Paris Hilton's best friend for years before the sex tape was leaked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,147 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 32 minutes ago, Dale Cooper said: Her father is lawyer Robert Kardashian. He was in the O.J. Simpson case. Kim was always rich, she made herself famous as Paris Hilton's best friend for years before the sex tape was leaked. Okay, still nothing related to her talent it's ridiculous to say Beyonce is like her, she earned it chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Surrealist 27,470 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, littlepotter said: Okay, still nothing related to her talent it's ridiculous to say Beyonce is like her, she earned it Kim Kardashian West Beauty Sold Out Of Contour Kits In Less Than Three Hours. https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2017/06/21/kim-kardashian-west-beauty-sold-out-of-contour-kits-in-less-than-three-hours/ There you have talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo 7,856 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 6 hours ago, Mary Jane Wayne said: At this point they're like the Kardashians of the music industry Beyonce is a talented vocalists, dancer, performer, and business woman and has been relevant since the late 90's. The Kardashians are good at selling themselves as a brand starting when Kim's sex tape leaked in 2007. I can't deal with the disrespect Don't visit my profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,900 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 15 hours ago, Bebe said: Beyonce taking control of the narrative of her life and that of her families shouldn't be concerning. That's most celebrities Again, this was true for Gaga at one point too - she would 'rather die' than be caught without heels. This is 90% of instagram posts by every celebrity on Instagram this is 100% of the magazines. Why the selective outrage? You and I are really discussing completely different things. I'm talking about (with responses to this being about how 'extra' this shoot is) how I have no problem with Beyonce, a public figure, who understands the media are going to get a picture of the twins at some time or another - taking control of the narrative and taking creative control over her own image. You are outraged at her use of photoshop and they are completely different issues. No... Taking control of your image is self empowerment. Case in point, you have no problem with her controling the first image we saw of her and Blue - that's also her controlling her own image. Why should she allow outside forces to determine her own narrative? Why should outside forces dictate what the first images of her twins look like? How they talk about her body? What her story is? How much she wants to say about this event? If you're issue is with photoshop... Fine, but it's a separate issue and one that's far more pervasive than this photograph and an issue that's far more widespread than Beyonce... I don't see the same passion whenever a magazine cover featuring another photoshopped celebrity comes out or when another artist posts a photoshopped instagram picture. Having control of your image and making it too perfect and false is a problem for the reasons I said. Most celebrities who took control of their own images did the opposite - they posted pictures of themselves un-airbrushed, with stretchmarks and cellulite, their natural selves in all their glory. Isn't that the whole point of taking control of your image? Refusing the impossibly high standards of the industry and showing your true self without studio trickery? How is getting outraged at the use of photoshop a different issue? She's using the same elements that any magazine would force on her and somehow, she's taking control of her own image? There's no point in taking control if you're just going to use that control to apply the same standards to yourself that other people have always placed on you. You're just back to where you started. It doesn't matter if you took the photo or applied the effects or whatnot, it's the same standards. It's the same thing when women state that they're taking control of their sexuality when they do a nude photoshoot that is exactly what every straight male has been demanding since the dawn of time. You take control to set new and better standards, not the same ones. I liked the original image we saw of Blue (that is, the one of her and Beyonce dressed in white in what looked like a hospital room) because it was real, it was organic. Beyonce wasn't in a designer outfit or airbrushed and maybe not even wearing make-up. This is what the first hospital photo of mother and baby looks like for a normal person. But posing in gown in front of a flower wall with perfect hair, perfect make up and photoshop? That's just fake and pretentious. I don't like it when magazines do it either. Beyonce has control over her image to show the real her and instead she uses the same nonsense that any outside agency would have put on her. Most celebrities are keeping their children more protected than ever before. And about time too. For obvious reasons, I don't approve of images of children being on the internet, even professional photoshoots because certain sickos don't care how these images are presented, they're going to use them inappropriately. So, naturally, celebrities want them hidden from the media for as long as possible. Kate Bush was famous for basically keeping her child hidden right from birth. He only made his debut in the public eye at the age of 17. Ryan Gosling and Eva Mendes have ensured their 2 children are hardly ever photographed and Eva looks after them behind the scenes. Adele only has a handful of images of her with her child in public and she has signed a deal to ensure that any images of his face are blurred when printed and also never even revealed his name until months after his birth. Cheryl Cole had her baby with Liam from 1D 4 months ago and has done no photoshoots and we haven't even seen a single image of this child anywhere. And for all that the Kardashians are famed for putting their lives out there, I have rarely seen a photo of baby Saint despite avidly following celebrity media. Being private is the new public. Beyonce's idea of announcements and turning her children into media spectacles like her makes her really stand out next to these other women who are taking a more relaxed, natural take on motherhood. 10 hours ago, leecy said: so being popular means overrating? seriously people have to stop all these overrated who accuses That's exactly what being overrated means. Something is overrated when it's more popular and/or more acclaimed than it deserves to be, though this is all personal opinion, of course. It's funny how people like to argue what the word means when it's being directed at one of their faves. Could I ask what your definition of it is if you don't agree with mine? 6 hours ago, littlepotter said: I didn't know Beyonce got famous because her sex tape leaked You know on which level she's being compared to the Kardashians and it isn't this. You just went for the most obvious thing to respond with because you knew people would have no answer for that. We're saying she's like the Kardashians in the sense that she puts her private life out there for public consumption, scandals and all and the stuff that they once kept private is now public. Beyonce's dad basically confirmed that the early rumours that Jay was cheating with Rihanna were lies put out there for publicity and it worked. 5 hours ago, Supersonic said: Imagine having so much POWER that posting like one photo with your children get people so pressed they try to tear down everyone and everything that is coming in contact with you. Confident black women really scare y'all, huh? Wow, how you worked this around to a racism is anyone's guess. Honestly, I'm sick of having to call out such responses whenever I see them but I feel I have to ensure that a stop is put to this ridiculousness. I suppose saying that it's always the other person's fault, that you are never the one with the problem, is so flattering to one's ego. It is ultimate arrogance to assume that the only reason someone may not like you is because they are prejudiced and therefore not worth your time. It's a response that shuts down any and all criticism, some of which may be completely valid. Even as a woman, I'm very careful about using the "I guess you just hate confident women" response unless I have overwhelming evidence to back up my claim. Because any woman who walks around claiming that every man who disagrees with her as sexist has a serious attitude problem. And I take exactly the same line with any other oppressed group. It doesn't give you a right to be arrogant. Confidence and arrogance are not the same thing. How you can make generalised statements about this entire board is mindblowing. Maybe, just maybe, do you ever think that some of us have intelligence and insight to make valid criticisms that aren't connected to race? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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