MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Leonardo Fox said: Was Hung Up really that huge? Guinness World Record for going #1 in over 40 countries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoful 13,304 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Can we jusy talk about the Re-Inventions she served 20 years into her career: Look at all these LOOKS THAT SHE SERVED. Now this wasnt the start of her career this was 20+ years into it. She was in her 40's in all these pics!!! She literally never stopped "My name is Dita, I'll be your Mistress tonight..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Stevo said: I mean I'm pretty sure Madonna and Michael Jackson made MTV popular or no one would've tuned in to it Yes. Michael did show how powerful music videos could be first with Madonna following suit. I'm just saying that if MTV did not exist, Madonna would not be able to sustain her career as a superstar by just performing, unlike peers such as Michael Jackson, Prince, Whitney Houston and George Michael. I mean, her determination would still be there but as a superstar? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,883 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 19 hours ago, darkwolf said: I agree with you, but her signature songs are very known worldwide, especially Holiday, La isla bonita and Like a prayer. It's the same thing for most artists, for example I can barely name 5 Michael Jackson songs (his biggest hits), and he was the biggest pop icon in the world. Yeah, but some of her fans act like we know everything, hit or not. I forgot to include Holiday on the list of songs I already knew but the thing was...for years, I thought it was Kylie! I still think it sounds like her. I mean, this is the sound Kylie had in the 80's and 90's, even her voice is very similar, especially the "in every nation" line. And like I said, I wasn't even aware of La Isla Bonita until I did a little "guess that song" exercise in 2009 (yeah, I can really remember the stuff that doesn't matter!) and it was that song and I literally had no clue. Funnily enough, it was at the same time that I found out that she sang Holiday! Hmm, I could always name quite a few MJ songs even though I wasn't a fan. One that always surprised me was how many Abba songs I could name despite the fact that I was hardly surrounded by it. I mean, they were big in the 70's and apart from Dancing Queen, it was hardly like their songs were anywhere but I knew them. Just goes to show how you can separate the truly legendary from the ones who never left their respective decade. I don't get some claims that Madonna stopped being legendary, though. I remember reading a brutal review for her Celebration greatest hits album in 2009, saying that the only good songs were her much earlier work and it finished by saying that another hits album may be a welcome treat for her fans "but, for the rest of us, her career may as well have ended in 1990." I mean, that is flat-out untrue. Ray Of Light and Confessions were 2 of her most commercially successful eras of all time and they were released in 1998 and 2006, respectively. Luckily, a lot of people commented on this in the comments section. Mind you, the article was from NME. They rated Like A Prayer 10/10 back in the day but mysteriously didn't put it on their Best Albums of the Year list, even though they put through albums rated 7/10. Clearly, they don't have a solid consensus when it comes to Madonna just as much as they do Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Of Venus 731 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 22 hours ago, Leonardo Fox said: Was Hung Up really that huge? If you're not from the US and if you were old enough in Q4 2005, there was no way to escape the song. It was played everywhere on the streets, on radio, on TV, just everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyPOP414 646 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 7/9/2017 at 5:20 AM, theahsfan said: Madonna's last two albums have produced no iconic hits whatsoever. ARTPOP produced Applause and Joanne produced Million Reasons. Also Madonna is turning into an old woman and Gaga is only just in her 30s. Next. Doesn't matter. also, don't forget she had a Grammy winning album between those two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyPOP414 646 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 16 hours ago, tomsches said: Like her or hate her. Personally, I do not like her. BUT you have to acknowledge the significance of everything she has achieved. So many iconic moments of popular culture were influenced by her. The VMA performance of Like a virgin, the kiss with Britney, the masturbation scene in her shows, the like a prayer video, the controversy of her outfit in Vogue... and the list goes on and on. She invented being weird and controversial for women in pop music (Kate Bush and Grace Jones did their part as well, but not in pop). Without Madonna there wouldn't be Britney, and without Britney there wouldn't be the Gaga as we know her. 14 hours ago, T3rrorBlade said: Oh what do we have here Hide contents You got a lot of research to do.lol Grace Jones too. you must be a new fan honey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Of Venus 731 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 10 hours ago, mzncb said: Yes. Michael did show how powerful music videos could be first with Madonna following suit. I'm just saying that if MTV did not exist, Madonna would not be able to sustain her career as a superstar by just performing, unlike peers such as Michael Jackson, Prince, Whitney Houston and George Michael. I mean, her determination would still be there but as a superstar? No. This is just silly. Madonna became a superstar mainly because of her looks and visuals. Whitney became a superstar because of her voice. Every super star had their selling point. You're basically just taking away her main platform in order to undermine her legacy. This is like saying "Take away the mic and Whitney wouldn't have happened." "Take away YouTube and Facebook and Gaga wouldn't have happened." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie 1,218 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Edge Of Venus said: If you're not from the US and if you were old enough in Q4 2005, there was no way to escape the song. It was played everywhere on the streets, on radio, on TV, just everywhere. mmm im still listening to like a virgin in the radio, or a lot of people mentios madonnas iconic songs like like a prayer, music, la isla bonita, but never hung up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Of Venus 731 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Leonardo Fox said: mmm im still listening to like a virgin in the radio, or a lot of people mentios madonnas iconic songs like like a prayer, music, la isla bonita, but never hung up LAV, LAP and Vogue were Madonna's most iconic hits, Hung Up is no competitor but it doesn't mean it wasn't huge. Madonna was the zeitgeist of the 80s so her 80s classics would have more long lasting impact and radios still often do 80s playlists. In the US, Music was way bigger than Hung Up but I believe in Europe and SA, Hung Up has more recurrent airplay and gay clubs still spam the hell out of it. Again, Hung Up was absolutely massive in late 2005 and chart stats don't lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlioncourt91 765 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Hung Up was huge. Confessions (though I find it a very overrated record) was hard to escape. Her music videos were on heavy rotation, she promoted like hell with performances, a promo tour, ads in Motorola I believe and she did the Grammys. All four videos (even Get Together) I remember getting airplay a lot during the era. To say it isn't one of her most remembered hits is simply not true, casual fans or the GP remember that song because the radio climate was hip/hop and R&B at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 On 7/10/2017 at 7:16 PM, Edge Of Venus said: This is just silly. Madonna became a superstar mainly because of her looks and visuals. Whitney became a superstar because of her voice. Every super star had their selling point. You're basically just taking away her main platform in order to undermine her legacy. This is like saying "Take away the mic and Whitney wouldn't have happened." "Take away YouTube and Facebook and Gaga wouldn't have happened." Well, here is a very, very critical view of Madonna from a very snobbish Steve Hoffman Music Forums: "Are you comparing Madonna to The Beatles? Please! She has never had the credibility or the acclaim they have. Never has, never will. Madonna is someone of little talent who opened the doors to the likes of Tiffany, Katy Perry, Britney Spears and most other manufactured singers. She has hardly ever influenced any of credibility, and with good reason!Madonna's imagery? Oh dear. She lifted most of it from other singers and old school Hollywood stars. I'm not sure why her fans think she’s a genius for recycling other people's ideas and work ALL the time. Being the huge Madonna that you are, I’m sure you know about all the plagiarism cases that people have successfully brought against her since the 1980s.It was laughable when she called Gaga reductive in 2012. Madonna is the walking definition. Dozens of singers, bands, film stars, film directors and models could say the same thing about her. I think the saying is: don't throw stones in glass houses. How many times in her career does Madonna need to pay tribute to someone or pay homage to something? Every era is just a cooking pot of things other artists have done in the past. It's farcical how her fans accuse other pop stars of ripping her off even though she got most of the ideas from elsewhere. You can nearly always find an example of someone doing something before Madonna did it. I don't understand how her fans can criticise someone like Gaga for dressing up like an old star like Marilyn Monroe when Madonna has exhausted her image over the years by recreating things in exact detail. Bettie Page and Angie Bowie wore cone bras years before Madonna did in 1990. Debbie Harry and Donna Summer wore wedding dresses on stage years before Madonna did it in the mid-1980s. Her "iconic" look in during the Like a Virgin era was blatantly lifted from Dale Bozzio and Nina Hagen. The Sex book was nothing more than a recreation of pictures Irving Klaw took of Bettie Page in the 1950s. The music video for Vogue is made up of imagery taken from the work of Horst P. Horst and actresses like Katharine Hepburn. American Life used imagery of Patty Hearst and Che Guevara that countless other artists had already done. The Confessions era is a mixture of ABBA, Tina Turner, Goldfrapp and Ann-Margret. She has recycled so many things. She's derivative. The cover artwork of the Justify My Love (and other pictures) was obviously inspired by this Nina Hagen picture: It took Madonna 11 years before she had another #1 album in the US after Like a Prayer, and she hasn't had a #1 single on the Hot 100 since 2000. She's a heritage act. Her best days are behind her. People go and see her on tour because of what she accomplished in the past. Depth? I find it hard to find depth in frivolous pop stars. Madonna spent the first six years of her career and the majority of her twenties releasing cheesy, dated teenybopper music. Since Ray of Light, she has released mostly generic and lightweight urban, disco, pop, folktronica and EDM music. There's nothing deep or profound about Living for Love, Girl Gone Wild, Turn Up the Radio, Give It to Me, Celebration, 4 Minutes, Hung Up, Jump, Sorry, Bitch I'm Madonna, Give Me All Your Luvin', Music or Hollywood. Her last critically acclaimed and important piece of work was in 1998. In a desperate attempt at trying to appeal to the youth market, she has spent the last 13 years hanging on the coat tails of younger acts like Justin Timberlake, M.I.A., Nicki Minaj, Kanye West, Avicii, Timbaland, Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Lil Wayne and Pharrell. Talent? Oh, you mean playing the guitar and the drums, two things she has never played on any of her albums. I guess she saves her musical talent for the two minutes she strums a few chords on the guitar on stage. Surely someone who is supposed to possess so much talent could have written something by herself since 1986. Surely she has picked up enough skill to do something, anything by herself without the help of so many other talented people. She’s not exactly Kate Bush. She doesn't write and produce her music by herself, yet her fans treat her like she's a genius. The songs she wrote by herself on her debut album are proof that her song writing talent is simplistic and immature. I doubt she would be where she is today if she had been left to her own devices and wrote all the lyrics by herself. She doesn't have what it takes to write a great pop song without the input of a lot of other songwriters and producers, yet her fans think she's better than other pop stars who rely on other people and studio trickery to make their songs and voices sound good. Her last four albums were written and produced by half a dozen people. She’s a 58-year-old Britney Spears. She couldn’t even write any of the lyrics on the “deeply personal” ROL without the help of other people. Madonna's talent is following trends, jumping on bandwagons, choosing producers, and selling her many shortcomings to a delusional fan base. This is just my opinion. I don't expect you to lose any sleep over it." http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/greatest-execution-of-a-pop-single-ever.558748/page-19 I definitely agree that she rode the coatails of younger artists, especially Britney Spears in the early 2000s-mid 2000s; and the gullible fool Britney allowed it to happen to keep Madonna relevant (setting the stage for Confessions) despite the fact that 95% of what Britney was doing was a less impressive Janet Jackson act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duella Dvil 10,517 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 On 7/9/2017 at 3:55 AM, MaryJaneHolland said: Okay It's way too stupid to compare someone who is in the industry for 35 years and someone who isn't even a decade. So lets take a look at the time when Madonna was at Gaga's age/years in music. Madonna at 30/31: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Prayer_(song)#Charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Prayer_(album)#Charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_Yourself_(Madonna_song)#Charts_and_certifications Gaga at 30/31: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanne_(album)#Charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Illusion#Charts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Reasons#Charts Madonna's tour for her first "flop": 1993 - $116.05 million in 2016 dollars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girlie_Show_World_Tour#Shows Gaga's tour for her first "flop": 2014 - $83 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArtRave:_The_ARTPOP_Ball I can really go on and on and on. I feel bad for doing this but some of yall need to take off your stan goggles I'm so turned on right now www.instagram.com/theduella666 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Melo 50 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Cruz 202 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 On 9. 7. 2017 at 2:57 PM, Craig Barnes said: When did Madonna star in a movie where she has a lead role? Ehm..........Evita ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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