dit 46,417 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, River said: pure pop is not necessarily dance/electronic, what you describe is trendy/not trendy and while Joanne is pure pop, it's not trendy... I lived 28 years of music and went through many trends, pop has been changed a lot, but at the end, even with a slightly rock influence, it was still pop at the end. I think the fans are panicking for not reason, Gaga will come back to the dance/electro in LG6.. Joanne is just a break and we can see it with the lack of promo and the number of singles.. TC just proved that she's thirsty for the dance/electro.. And please, C2C was just to use her pop legendary position to boost the jazz, she's great with singing jazz of course, but it's not something that she can continue her career with, it was and will always be a side project.. and the rock performances? are just performances, it's nice but she's smart enough not to make a rock or metal solo album, maybe just another side project with a band.. How are you so sure she will return to dance/electro pop for LG6? I honestly feel like she has totally fallen out of love with that genre. She just seems so un interested in the sound that made her famous. Proof is that she scrapped all the work she did with Redone, Morador, Nile Rodger and also only sort of released TC to calm the fan base who were abandoning her in droves due to the lack of electro songs on Joanne. If she really missed the genre she would of gone all out with TC but she didn't even record an MV for the song even though she had the chance to many times during and after filming ASIB. Gaga just sort of fell out of love with dance and electro music it seems and it looks like what the other members are saying is true. She will distance herself more and more from it. sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismugler 944 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 hours ago, River said: She always says this kind of bullshit to make her look like an intelligent and superior pop artist This basically and I ain't mad but we all know the label has the final word. example: The Cure. B.B.A. / Music Lover / Human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtneylove 171 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 This all started with ARTPOP. Her team was controlling everything about that era and Gaga stated in interviews right after the release (and ARTPOP "flopping", some would say) that the promotion and production of the album was largely "mismanaged". They were telling her how she should dress and how she should start looking and she wasn't having any of it. She fulfilled her contractual obligations (i.e., tour) and then ran far away from her former image. She has said in multiple interviews how she doesn't appreciate being a puppet in the music industry and media. If she would have had full creative control over ARTPOP, I really don't think it would have "flopped" as much as it did. I remember being so upset about the performance of sales and that Katy Perry was outselling her. Katy's OK, but she was and never will be a Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taide 5,789 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I miss BTW and AtrPop Gaga and the amazing songs and promo.. But I'm here for Joanne so.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,212 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Albertodift said: How are you so sure she will return to dance/electro pop for LG6? I honestly feel like she has totally fallen out of love with that genre. She just seems so un interested in the sound that made her famous. Proof is that she scrapped all the work she did with Redone, Morador, Nile Rodger and also only sort of released TC to calm the fan base who were abandoning her in droves due to the lack of electro songs on Joanne. If she really missed the genre she would of gone all out with TC but she didn't even record an MV for the song even though she had the chance to many times during and after filming ASIB. Gaga just sort of fell out of love with dance and electro music it seems and it looks like what the other members are saying is true. She will distance herself more and more from it. sadly. It's so untrue, she did fully dance/electro performance at the SuperBowl, only MR was there because it was the single and she needed a break in the middle. Coachella was mainly TF-ARTPOP material and less of Joanne, imo she's fcking bored of Joanne... Joanne is just a resting album and it was planned to be, her schedule this year was crazy, Superbowl, the movie and many more things and not only that, her personal life were messy, from Taylor and Sonja (before her death but it was expected unfortunately), even the elections has their impact on her.. so it's not that she's tired of the music that made her famous, because she's still breaking her hips to perform it, she's just.. tired. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Gaga plays at the intersection of pop and more dogmatic genres. She is as much The Cure as Heavy Metal Lover. People that don't like the Cure trying to believe the label forced her to do it are no different than those that said ARTPOP was foisted on her or that C2C was nothing more than an image building marketing tool. Just because you don't like a song or era doesn't mean you have to invent a reason why Gaga was forced to do it. Gaga's music appreciation is wider than 90% of people here. The interview in Op simply means she doesn't want to be boxed in; she is free to play in any genre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,417 Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, River said: It's so untrue, she did fully dance/electro performance at the SuperBowl, only MR was there because it was the single and she needed a break in the middle. Coachella was mainly TF-ARTPOP material and less of Joanne, imo she's fcking bored of Joanne... Joanne is just a resting album and it was planned to be, her schedule this year was crazy, Superbowl, the movie and many more things and not only that, her personal life were messy, from Taylor and Sonja (before her death but it was expected unfortunately), even the elections has their impact on her.. so it's not that she's tired of the music that made her famous, because she's still breaking her hips to perform it, she's just.. tired. I don't think she made Joanne based on the fact that she knew she'd have a busy and tiring couple of years. I think it was just because it's the sound she was into at that point and is still into. I think we need to brace ourselves for more Joanne esque music from now on. Hoping that she will suddenly go full out dance pop Gaga again when every single sign is showing us otherwise is just building us up for disappointment tbh. She made the Superbowl a pop performance because most of her hits were the pop songs. The superbowl is made to perform your biggest hits and to promote one or two new songs and that's what she did. It's not because she suddenly had an awakening to be a pop star again or felt it was her calling to do that or because she dislikes Joanne as you're saying...it's just it's literally her biggest hits. At Coachella for example she performed a pretty big amount of her Joanne songs. Spoiler p.s: I love this debate lol! I hope you do too and that I'm not annoying you with this back and forth. I like seeing the perspective of another person Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,212 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 36 minutes ago, Albertodift said: I don't think she made Joanne based on the fact that she knew she'd have a busy and tiring couple of years. I think it was just because it's the sound she was into at that point and is still into. I think we need to brace ourselves for more Joanne esque music from now on. Hoping that she will suddenly go full out dance pop Gaga again when every single sign is showing us otherwise is just building us up for disappointment tbh. She made the Superbowl a pop performance because most of her hits were the pop songs. The superbowl is made to perform your biggest hits and to promote one or two new songs and that's what she did. It's not because she suddenly had an awakening to be a pop star again or felt it was her calling to do that or because she dislikes Joanne as you're saying...it's just it's literally her biggest hits. At Coachella for example she performed a pretty big amount of her Joanne songs. Reveal hidden contents p.s: I love this debate lol! I hope you do too and that I'm not annoying you with this back and forth. I like seeing the perspective of another person She also wanted to prove something, that she can sing and stuff.. ARTPOP was a wake up call.. but we forget about something important, the work tapes with RedOne, 2-3 songs that are not dance at all.. so she already planned this sound even with RedOne, so it's helping my opinion I think.. Now if we look back in time, pop became dance/electro since 2007 more or less, before that it was really a mixed of genres and Joanne would fit perfectly there without a problem, I mean B2B by Xtina is pop too, Britney started with dance from Blackout, but before it was not dance or electro at all, the computer sound that we all know now started slowly to become the major sound in pop but before that you heard live instruments in every song even from the big pop girls at that time just like in Joanne.. We all know Gaga very well and we know that she's changing her mind every second and she said a lot of big powerful sentences but at the end she did the contrary.. this is why the gp is annoyed by her, because for them, at the end she is a pop star just like the others and sentences like this topic is just making her look fake or over serious.. Gaga will come back, LG6 will be an album to dance too, there's nothing to worry about or graves to dig.. let this era come to an end and then we'll see.. Spoiler no worries, I like it! but It's midnight and little old me is tired lol I will reply tomorrow So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, River said: Joanne is just a resting album and it was planned to be That doesn't even make sense. An old school approach like Joanne is more labor intensive than if she'd just made a modern pop album. If she wanted a resting period she would have just gone with Redone material and let nostalgia sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,212 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, giskardsb said: That doesn't even make sense. An old school approach like Joanne is more labor intensive than if she'd just made a modern pop album. If she wanted a resting period she would have just gone with Redone material and let nostalgia sell it. But the RedOne material were Angel Down kind of songs, they were not dance.. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Albertodift said: Listen to this interview (specifically at around 1:20). She literally says that the more ppl ask of her to keep up with the "Gaga brand" or to be pop the more she fights it and goes far from it. So let's ask her to keep doing Jazz music from now on. How about we don't ask of her anything and let her handle the music and enjoy it. If someone don't enjoy it the log off button is on the right side right under the profile picture and no one forces them to stream her music or buy it. It's that simple I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtneylove 171 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, giskardsb said: Gaga plays at the intersection of pop and more dogmatic genres. She is as much The Cure as Heavy Metal Lover. People that don't like the Cure trying to believe the label forced her to do it are no different than those that said ARTPOP was foisted on her or that C2C was nothing more than an image building marketing tool. Just because you don't like a song or era doesn't mean you have to invent a reason why Gaga was forced to do it. Gaga's music appreciation is wider than 90% of people here. The interview in Op simply means she doesn't want to be boxed in; she is free to play in any genre. During the ARTPOP era Gaga had a terrible team working with her and were a nightmare concerning image, creativity, and track listings. So the label itself is not to blame, but the team she had at the time who were causing her so much emotional AND physical stress to the point of exhaustion. She has since sorted this out, thus, we had the C2C era and now we have Joanne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sense8 182 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I believe that´s the right thing for her to do. I mean fans can´t dictate you what to do with your talent,carrer etc. I´m here for PopGaga,RockGaga,ElectroGaga,JazzGaga,CountryGaga WhateverComesInGagasMind and i enjoy her musical tranformations. And as long as i´m excited by her work i simply follow If i don´t like i simply don´t follow! Till now everything she does is great,even the Jazz Album,there were so many "killers" songs in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loathereality 26,375 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 this is interesting, even though family in general is th emain inspiration behind the album I do not get any family vibes from the album at all. It is more on love and friendship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGDisbetter 2,187 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I definitely do not want ARTPOP ACT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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