Cultural Appropriation

[Adampervez 603]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

So some Arab dudes dressing up and mocking Ashkenazi Jews is okay? I mean ashkenazi Jews are not as privileged as white non-Jews, but still

What a suprise of Simon having to mention the arab world and islam. Boy i see you in every single international relation or cultural or racial topic on this site and you always find a way to mention your dislike of arabs and muslims. Do not come for another member saying theyre trying ti come across as a 'white saviour' when in every single message u post you come across as some 'jewish saviour'

Before you come for me or claim im antisemitic, half of my family is jewish and the other half is muslim. Im simple stating what ive seen in the past few years.

[stvn 618]

If you're gonna continue to twist my words it's clear you have an angle/motive. I ain't here for it. 

[stvn 618]

1 minute ago, Adampervez said:

What a suprise of Simon having to mention the arab world and islam. Boy i see you in every single international relation or cultural or racial topic on this site and you always find a way to mention your dislike of arabs and muslims. Do not come for another member saying theyre trying ti come across as a 'white saviour' when in every single message u post you come across as some 'jewish saviour'

Before you come for me or claim im antisemitic, half of my family is jewish and the other half is muslim. Im simple stating what ive seen in the past few years.

Thank you

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, Adampervez said:

What a suprise of Simon having to mention the arab world and islam. Boy i see you in every single international relation or cultural or racial topic on this site and you always find a way to mention your dislike of arabs and muslims. Do not come for another member saying theyre trying ti come across as a 'white saviour' when in every single message u post you come across as some 'jewish saviour'

Before you come for me or claim im antisemitic, half of my family is jewish and the other half is muslim. Im simple stating what ive seen in the past few years.

I don't hate Arab world or the Islam, i just don't think it should get a pass, same as Israel. No one is an angel. 

[Adampervez 603]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

I don't hate Arab world or the Islam, i just don't think it should get a pass, same as Israel. No one is an angel. 

Yeah ok sure ill remember this post next time you create a topic on any atrocities people who claim to be muslims have commited or give your typically negative two cents about arabs and islam on any topic. Ill also notice how youll never speak up when theres anything negative to do with judaism or israel. I get it, youre patriotic and passionate about Judaism and Israel, but dont talk **** and all of a sudden claim you have no bias.

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, Adampervez said:

Yeah ok sure ill remember this post next time you create a topic on any atrocities people who claim to be muslims have commited or give your typically negative two cents about arabs and islam on any topic. Ill also notice how youll never speak up when theres anything negative to do with judaism or israel. I get it, youre patriotic and passionate about Judaism and Israel, but dont talk **** and all of a sudden claim you have no bias.

You are welcome to do so  

[GagaisHotAF 419]

I completely agree. People are so dramatic. America's Left and Right are crazy nowadays. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

Cultural appropriation is a new concept. If a YouTube comment I once read was right, it was developed by someone in 2003. No wonder we're suddenly hearing this phrase everywhere despite never encountering it anytime before the last 2 years or so. And like all new concepts, they need time to get around and for us to work out if they hold any weight. I think it's been well-established by now that this particular concept is just annoying the hell out of everyone, is filled with flaws and double standards and has little importance in a world where much worse things are happening. It's high time we moved on from it and it's not just white people who believe this.

There is nothing wrong with appreciating a culture and putting your enjoyment of it out there in a respectful way. End of. If you are mocking or making light of it, whether you are aware of it or not, get educated and stop doing it. End of. And we are all accountable and should be treated the same way. But demonising white people above all others when they do it, assuming they must be uneducated about the culture, assuming that you know what culture they themselves grew up in, etc is 100% unacceptable.

Culture is a forever-changing discourse. We wouldn't be here today, talking in English and having the cultures that we enjoy had it not been for cultural exchange. Cultural exchange has built every society on the planet that we take for granted. If you truly don't like cultural appropriation, go live in the forest with no running water or electrical supplies, make up your own language and hunt for your own food and sleep under the stars. Because doing anything in modern life is the result of some form of cultural exchange, it's so complex that you don't even realise the many ways in which you live your life as a result of other cultures. Don't want to do that? Then don't complain about cultural appropriation.

Basically, it was an idea that people came up with because they were desperate for something to complain about and wanted to be seen as victims because making people feel sorry for you feels good. I don't give a stuff if you want to 'steal' my culture. That only serves to make it more acceptable, which is always a plus.

7 hours ago, Supersonic said:

The problem is: You're lamenting about a super rich celebrity getting social media hate for using somebody else's culture while the ORIGINATORS of that culture GET PUNISHED for doing it.

http://www.newsweek.com/wearing-braids-sends-black-girls-detention-malden-charter-school-608303

That's the problem. The "backlash" some white celeb receives for doing cultural appropriation is not nearly as bad as tons of children being punished or having their future possibly ruined for being themselves and minding their own business.

Whites are also not allowed to wear these traditional black hairstyles either. It makes sense. You can't have a thickly braided hairstyle making it impossible to put a helmet on easily if you're in the army. You can't have a massive afro blocking the view of the person behind you in class. You can't have hairstyles that look messy or unkempt in professional surroundings. It's not just black people who are punished for this. There are a whole lot of 'white' hairstyles that are seen as messy, non-conformist or unprofessional. You won't see anyone rocking a mohawk with all its punk associations in an office. Nor will you see chic businesswoman in babyish bunches or pigtails. I actually considered if I should tie my almost-waist length naturally thick, unruly red hair into a bun for a job interview for fear that my natural look was too unkempt. I don't think that's the real reason I didn't get the job but knowing beforehand that the staff were very pernickity about people turning up in chipped nail polish, scuffed shoes or jeans for an interview and how the inteviewer once turned down a girl for wearing a skirt too short, heels too high and giving a limp handshake did make me wonder.

Wake up and realise that it isn't just minorities suffering repercussions for wearing their natural hair or their race's hairstyles. We all get it in the neck for this at some point or other.

7 hours ago, holy scheisse said:

I think ur absolutely.ignorant and probably absolutely white for posting this 

Educate yourself 

You'd be surprised at how many non-white people are against cultural appropriation. It's always quite funny when someone assumes they're white and then are embarrassed when the true race is revealed. What's your argument then? SJW's are the ones being ignorant with this entire concept. If they'd educated themselves, they'd realise how many holes there are in this theory, how many questions that are asked that they can't provide answers to. Generally, when this is the case, it's a sign you've got a bad theory on your hands that needs to be amended or dropped completely.

7 hours ago, Supersonic said:

Being all uppity uppity about this just makes you look like that girl from high school everyone hated that always went "oh my gaaawwwwd, i have so many haterssssss, don't be so jealoussss, it's a disease honey!" It's like Paris Hilton asking why "poor people just don't buy more money". Sometimes you're so jaded by your own comfortable life, that you don't realize that people who are not like you might not be able to most of the things you just take for granted.

That slaps me everytime in the head especially in wintertime, whenever my female friends would say they are scared to go out and do errands past 5pm. It always takes me a minute to realize that they don't feel safe in the dark outside because they're deathly afraid of getting raped in the bushes in the dark and nobody noticing/caring. And I don't really have that fear just because I am male and presenting as a male in public.

I think what we're missing is empathy for the disenfranchised in the society.

And some oppressed groups fail to see that they have so much privilege that they take for granted too. The irony that they have their own computer connected to the internet in which to voice their opinion, one of the greatest privileges of all, seems lost on them. And here we run into another problem you don't seem to notice - making fun of white people, in particular, white women, using stereotypes to suggest we are stupid. I'm sick and tired of seeing white women being presented in the media as bleach blonde valley girls in sunglasses and wearing a minidress and stilettos, carrying a dog in a handbag and being all "oh my gawd!" That is so 2004 anyway. And don't even get me started on how white women are stereotyped as sl*ts by many non-white cultures all over the world. It actually enrages me because it makes us so unsafe. While all races have a hypersexual stereotype aimed at its females, white women get it particularly bad, right up there with southeast Asian women. White girls are some of the most sex trafficked females in the world because we get stereotyped as wh*res who bang anything by a lot of foreign cultures. They as good as say so, usually in their own language, when they think we can't hear or understand. It makes my skin crawl how we are seen as live meat to certain cultures, looked at as less than human, desirable and repulsive simultaneously. So, if you really care about women like you say you do in the last paragraph, spare a thought for women of all races. We are all, (with the exception of FGM, of course) at the same risk for the same kinds of abuse. Even in majority white countries that even white people like to think of as 'safe,' and 'pro women,' the abuse and rape statistics would make your head spin.

It's like nowadays, we're being made to believe that minorities are so complex and different but white people can all be tossed into one category, with lazy representation. Ironically, it's treating whites in the same way that minorities were always treated. It's actually getting rarer and rarer for me to find media that gives a truly positive portrayal of white people anymore. Even the ones that are billed as being positive are not as positive as they claim.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to claim to white people are oppressed, far from it, but have you really taken a look at the media representations of white people recently? White politicians, tv personalities and popstars that nobody likes. White racists making decent white people look bad. An all-white tv cast where every character is selfish, manipulative, deceitful and bitchy. White female celebrities stripping off for no reason in female publications. Seeing a white celebrity who isn't extremist, devisive, stupid and if their female, not a sex object, is getting depressingly rare.

[Gardevoir 9,823]

I totally don't agree with things like cultural appropriation and I'm always scared that someone would accuse me of this, because I have septum, and not that long ago, tunnels. But it is ridiculous to me. 

[PartySick 160,571]

7 hours ago, donutellha said:

And let me lay out the groundwork, if you want to talk about minorities "stealing" white culture, it's because COLONIZATION forced it upon us to make it the norm. To survive, we HAD to be like you or ACT in your mannerism and BELIEVE in your religions and DRESS in your clothes or face death. They were the ones who whitewashed OUR cultures, so that we would fall slave to them, but guess who managed to keep OUR cultures alive to share with the world, only for them to be misterpreted by MORE WHITE PEOPLE? 

US.

So white culture being present in the culture of minorities is forced but minority culture being present in white culture is appropriation and offensive?  Could it not just be assumed that those traditions were integrated into a society filled with thousands of different backgrounds to be expressed by anyone in that society? Why is it only people with white skin who are the criminals in these scenarios? It's as if they can do no right unless they're constantly walking on egg shells and pandering to everyone while talking down to people who are the same color as they are  Even then, they're only one misstep away from being a bigot.

Like, would it have been fine for Katy to wear that Japanese inspired outfit if she carried a text book with Japan's rich cultural history and read it aloud as she walked down the carpet? Or would that have also been interpreted as her mocking the culture or trying to use it to sell the "Katy Perry" brand?

I just find all of this stuff so silly  Latino culture and gay culture have been used to sell products or grab views/steams/sales/whatever so many times here and I honestly couldn't care less. There are SOOOO many more problems in the world that need attention if you ask me  I'm not concerned with products or popstars, I'm concerned with bigots and violent people. If Gaga wants to make a Spanglish song about unfair immigration laws or say "chola descent" in a pride anthem, I think that's great.

And about the argument that white people can get away with doing things that others can't despite it actually being their culture...well, why make the white people that can do it the bad guy in that scenario? If black girls get detention for wearing braids but white people can get away with it, why aren't you guys gunning for the people who put black girls in detention for their hairstyle instead?  That's another part of this whole deal that I'm totally missing. "You can get away with this while they get punished for it so I'm going to hate you rather than the people punishing them!" Like...what?

Once again, I'm just not seeing the logic in these SJW/PC arguments. I just see a different method of division.

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I mean, you guys are entitled to your opinions of course. I won't even say that you're wrong either 'cause your feelings are just as valid as mine, I just disagree

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Also, I'm exhausted so Idk if half of this is even totally coherent

 

 

[PartySick 160,571]

14 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

I totally don't agree with things like cultural appropriation and I'm always scared that someone would accuse me of this, because I have septum, and not that long ago, tunnels. But it is ridiculous to me. 

It's your face, put whatever you want in/on it

If people have something to say about it, then tell them they have their own face to do what they want with.

[Gardevoir 9,823]

Just now, PartySick said:

It's your face, put whatever you want in/on it

If people have something to say about it, then tell them they have their own face to do what they want with.

it's not like I do that because I want to offend someone's culture. 

[PartySick 160,571]

Just now, Emigrante said:

it's not like I do that because I want to offend someone's culture. 

Well in this day and age, someone will find it offensive and someone else will find that offended person offensive and the cycle will continue until you just decide to tell everyone to f*ck off and then you do what you want 'cause you're not hurting anyone 

[TheJackMonster 1,857]

I think the whole 'our culture did it first so we own it' thing is stupid. People can wear or style their hair however they like (within reason you can't style yourself so blatantly and mock that culture ). However Katy and her team obviously knew what they were doing in TIHWD so I don't buy her saying otherwise. 

[River 117,247]

I have a serious question.

Let's take Pizza Hut and Domino's, in the eye of many Italians they ripped off and violated the pizza, and pizza is one of biggest cultural dish in Italy and known all over the world.

So, is it cultural appropriation? should those companies close their doors and stop making profit of other country's culture?