So, Joanne won b!tches...

[bliaz 897]

1 hour ago, Gagi said:

You can't compare Lorde to the Lady Gaga who's more than ten years in the business with several top ten hits 

It doesn't matter. Lorde had a huge successful era with Pure Heroine. 

[mister max 18,480]

7 hours ago, DeanWinchester said:

Melodrama's MC score says otherwise. Either way I'm just waiting this game out to see who wins. I never kept my hopes up for Joanne winning anyway. Makes it easier.

We all know critics are biased towards Gaga tho so I dont think MC is the right thing to argue with

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

9 hours ago, funkyhaus said:

Melodrama is the better album though 

Shame on you and those 20 people liking your comment! Unstan if you like the monotone one 

She went the safe way and created nothing new within 4 years. The lyrics are amazing as always but still nothing innovative tbh. 

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

35 minutes ago, bliaz said:

It doesn't matter. Lorde had a huge successful era with Pure Heroine. 

Not as big as Gaga 

[Zed 1,922]

1 hour ago, Sycamore said:

Yes, they do.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7767681/harry-styles-niall-horan-zayn-malik-debut-solo-songs-charts

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6509698/kendrick-lamar-first-week-album-sales-comparison

https://www.sohh.com/futures-self-titled-album-destroys-competition-monster-first-week-sales-revealed/

OT: This site is becoming more delusional everyday.

I wasn't talking about media or in general, I was talking about this site, Gagadaily & the gays. 

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Joanne won the day it was released.

Joanne sh!ts over Melodrama anyway, and the critics have never been accurate, like never. 

Melodrama is good, but it's monotonous like all of Lorde's music and it doesn't have the flare of Joanne.

Though I have to say that the melodies of the album at some parts are heavenly and Sober slays!

 

[Zed 1,922]

4 minutes ago, Joy Rose said:

Not as big as Gaga 

Depends on which era you compare it with.  Also,

 

5 minutes ago, Joy Rose said:

Shame on you and those 20 people liking your comment! Unstan if you like the monotone one 

She went the safe way and created nothing new within 4 years. The lyrics are amazing as always but still nothing innovative tbh. 

Can you just let people like music, even if you don't? Sigh... this forum sometimes 

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

3 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

What impact on pop culture?  

Joanne is no Lemonade

Critics have already essentially declared Melodrama the "pop" album of the year and one of the best releases of the year regardless of genre. Even if this album doesn't become a critical blockbuster, this is a very beautifully sentimental album that has way more potential to affect pop music in general for its soundscape and lyricism. Joanne was literally "Gagas back! And she's country sort of~" So far, I havent seen this kind of thing reflected anywhere at all in pop culture, other than in references to Joanne specifically.

If anything, I will guess that Miley Cyrus's new album will be more impactful than Joanne in that so far it seems to be country/folk inspired but about positivity and good vibes - I can see Pop AOTY noms including Miley Cyrus's album too.

I really do love Joanne for what it is, but stans on here act like it was the second coming of Jesus but I just haven't seen anyone talk about it at all  

 

Funny that you're talking about Lemonade and impact. Cause I've seen NO IMPACT after Lemonade at all.

Hunny, if you and all those melofackers in here have problems stanning Gaga then simply leave Gagadaily with your negativity. 

Critics on Gaga's album are more than ok but comparing every female album to Gaga's is not the right thing. This is a side for Gaga stans where there should be mainly joy over positive things in HER career.

Lorde released 2 albums and you already start comparing her to one of the most successful artist of our generation? You think she writes better, makes better albums? Then simply go to "Lordedaily". 

[KyliesChild 16,907]

6 hours ago, NCgaga said:

You can't state that as fact. You can only state that as opinion. For example, my opinion:  I enjoyed melodrama, but after a few listens, it becomes tiring. It's also extremely short. None of the songs have enough melody. no memorable choruses. No memorable beats. But I do put it over Witness. Artistically I would put it under Joanne, and vocally, it's not even a competition. Lyrically, Melodrama is probably the best though. 

I'm not even saying that it's a fact but why is it only a problem when I say that Lorde's album is better than Gaga's? 

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

13 minutes ago, ZeldaJ said:

Depends on which era you compare it with.  Also,

 

Can you just let people like music, even if you don't? Sigh... this forum sometimes 

Let's talk about Lorde after she releases another 3 albums and THEN I want to see if she still manages to debut at #1 on BB. Cause she barely hit it this time 

I like some songs from Melodrama and Supercut is my fave... but it freaks me out if I come here as a Little Monster and have to read dumb comparisons and negative comments about Joanne just because another female artist scored really good at metacritic.

 

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

Funny how metacritic influences some people cause I hardly couldn't feel this love for Lorde when she flopped with Green Light 

[Zed 1,922]

3 minutes ago, Joy Rose said:

Let's talk about Lorde after she releases another 3 albums and THEN I want to see if she still manages to debut at #1 on BB. Cause she barely hit it this time 

I like some songs from Melodrama and Supercut is my fave... but it freaks me out if I come here as a Little Monster and have to read dumb comparisons and negative comments about Joanne just because another female artist scored really good at metacritic.

 

I've loved Joanne since day 1, never understood the hate for that album. But Melodrama is a really solid album and I can see why the critics like it so much, I also understand why it won't be as comercially succesful as Gaga or Joanne, but I like it nonetheless - and the fact that it wont sell as good won't affect my feelings towards the album, but that's just me 


I mean, it's possible to like more then 1 artist and album, just saying 

[KyliesChild 16,907]

14 minutes ago, Joy Rose said:

Funny how metacritic influences some people cause I hardly couldn't feel this love for Lorde when she flopped with Green Light 

It isn't a hard idea to grasp that when an album comes out we'd be discussing her more and many of us felt that way about how good this album is since the leak, critical reception is just an example of how successful it is but Lorde doesn't even need that validation. If you are so tired about the comparisons why aren't you complaining about the idea of this thread instead of trying to “bash" Lorde and compare their careers when they couldn't be even more different. “Can you let people like music"....the same way an album is commercially is the exact notion you feel about the critical reception of the album? I didn't even think it was a hard thing to grasp but ok

[HiddenWeirdo 4,277]

6 minutes ago, ZeldaJ said:

I've loved Joanne since day 1, never understood the hate for that album. But Melodrama is a really solid album and I can see why the critics like it so much, I also understand why it won't be as comercially succesful as Gaga or Joanne, but I like it nonetheless - and the fact that it wont sell as good won't affect my feelings towards the album, but that's just me 


I mean, it's possible to like more then 1 artist and album, just saying 

Of course it is possible to stan more than one album or artist.

THE POINT IS the unnecessary comparison in their abilities like songwriting.

I don't know about you and the others but if I like someone besides Gaga like I do with Riri I would NEVER EVER drag one of Gaga's albums down just because I like ANTI more at the moment.

Like where is the sense of comparing two albums that are completely different. I don't get how certain brains work cause when I started listening to Lorde's Melodrama I never thought about Gaga or Joanne.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

1 hour ago, yASSsss said:

lol,not you saying that MR isn't a part of Joanne to prove your point  .Did you read your post before hitting the reply button  .

No one has ever here said that Joanne is culturally more important album than Lemonade.where did you get that from?Talking about hits,Did Lemonade produce any hit.Has Melodrama produced any hits so far?

 

The success of Million Reasons is not indicative of the success, impact, or reach of the album as a whole. That kind of designation is something that is apparent by album sales, reviews of the album, the success of promotion for the entire record (singles, important performances, etc.), discussion of the album in social and academic and music critical circles, etc. I thought this was understood from my response, but I guess not.

Also, you're right. No one is saying Joanne is more culturally important than Lemonade. I'm saying that it does not have very much apparent cultural or socio-political clout at all. Albums like Lemonade got nominated because of commercial, critical, and cultural support. Albums like A Seat At the Table showed that you can get nominated with even less commercial support if you have critical and cultural support. Joanne has none of these things. That is all I was saying. Lemonade did not have any major hits, but the album itself was very well received, discussed frequently and in various different spheres. And the Album sold well. Albums don't need to have 3 top 10 hits to be nominated or anything  On top of that, albums that had 1 major hit but no other hits and not a lot of critical acclaim are hardly ever nominated from what I can remember in the last 10 or so years. Especially when that one hit was not the lead single and did not significantly help to sell the album.

Grammies also sometimes nominate albums with high critical reception but very little public knowledge - the more indie or classic gems by more established or fringe artists that bubble over in underground spheres. Cult classics if you want to call them that. 

Based on these things, I do not believe Joanne will be nominated for Best Pop Vocal Album, and if it were, I do not see it winning by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I think it should compared to the competition  

The chances of Million Reasons on the other hand being nominated for Best Pop Solo Performance are much higher. That's just my opinion, but I feel like its pretty well supported, so