Jews, Muslims, and gays could be banned from adopting in Texas

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And yet my friend insisted that Rump's era wouldn't bring such laws....

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22 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I wouldn't generalize it. It's not the religions themselves, it's the people that are taking things too far that are the problem. I'm Roman Catholic—albeit, not a super religious one, but nevertheless, I still identify with that religion—but I certainly don't discriminate and judge other people for what they believe in or don't believe in.

I mean, I'm gay and Christian: literally polar opposites. I can't speak to people of other religions because I'm not educated in them, but I can tell you that Christianity teaches love, peace, and unity. Of course, there are crazy people out there that take things way too far and try to force their religions down other people's throats, which is totally uncalled for and unnecessary, but religion is not suppose to be like.

It's not the religion, it's the people. By you saying "I'm not going to let them adopt or naturally have children so that they can brainwash them" is just as bad as saying "I don't want to have a gay child because they're sinful and immoral and disgusting". You are tarnishing a group of people, and no, I'm not saying this because I'm Christian, or to defend ignorant people. I'm saying this because you are generalizing a population and that in it of itself is not right.

 

I studied the religions for a long time, I read the books more than once, worked hard to understand every sentence there, studied the cultures and more and I have a degree in religious studies at the university.

I don't know if you ever read the old testament or the new (I guess no for the Quran) but the state that the religions now are becoming exactly how "god" wanted them to be and how he stressed it in the books, there are laws and rules that defines the way you must worship this god in those books and how society should work. so to say it's not the religion, it's the people - it's ignorance.

It is the religion, it is how it's written that god wants it!

You, even you, considered as a sinner to god, not because you are gay, but because you worship not in the way that it wants!

Now tell me, if it's the people, where is god to come and tell them to stop? that this is not how he wants them to behave? where is he? he can do another flood in a second, but the last time he fixed society was thousands of years ago, since then it didn't show up here at all and didn't even punish us.. so there are 2 option:

1. He approves the behavior of his followers (discrimination, murder, fanaticism etc)

2. he doesn't exist.

The choice is yours.

If you really want to expend your knowledge, read the books, dig inside them to understand exactly, what is religion because it's nothing but hate.

Yes there is love, but only to the right religious people, there's no love for gays, for slaves, for women, for non religious and so on..

 

I was discriminated first btw, so I'm allowed to discriminate those who discriminating me since I was born because I'm gay.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/texas-house-oks-letting-adoption-groups-deny-non-christians/2017/05/10/48c42ec4-3537-11e7-ab03-aa29f656f13e_story.html?utm_term=.465f3659a809

This passed the Texas house and the Texas senate is apparently more conservative. This bill is very likely to become law.

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15 hours ago, Hadrian said:

Like I'm in such a hurry to adopt kids.

Not this gif

 

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1 hour ago, River said:

I studied the religions for a long time, I read the books more than once, worked hard to understand every sentence there, studied the cultures and more and I have a degree in religious studies at the university.

I don't know if you ever read the old testament or the new (I guess no for the Quran) but the state that the religions now are becoming exactly how "god" wanted them to be and how he stressed it in the books, there are laws and rules that defines the way you must worship this god in those books and how society should work. so to say it's not the religion, it's the people - it's ignorance.

It is the religion, it is how it's written that god wants it!

You, even you, considered as a sinner to god, not because you are gay, but because you worship not in the way that it wants!

Now tell me, if it's the people, where is god to come and tell them to stop? that this is not how he wants them to behave? where is he? he can do another flood in a second, but the last time he fixed society was thousands of years ago, since then it didn't show up here at all and didn't even punish us.. so there are 2 option:

1. He approves the behavior of his followers (discrimination, murder, fanaticism etc)

2. he doesn't exist.

The choice is yours.

If you really want to expend your knowledge, read the books, dig inside them to understand exactly, what is religion because it's nothing but hate.

Yes there is love, but only to the right religious people, there's no love for gays, for slaves, for women, for non religious and so on..

 

I was discriminated first btw, so I'm allowed to discriminate those who discriminating me since I was born because I'm gay.

The Bible also condemns eating shrimp, wearing clothes of different material, men cutting their hair, etc., yet I don't see people condemning those things into oblivion. 

[For the record, I'm going to use Christianity just because it's the thing I know best]

Yes, I am aware that the Bible and other holy books are very destructive and depict violence, but Jesus Christ was the one who taught us about love and mercy. He's the one that died for the sins of humanity: past, present, and future. He is all-loving and all-forgiving and merciful. That's what I mean when I talk about how fundamentally, Christianity is suppose to be about good. I see you talking about the laws and rules behind Christianity, and how they're "fundamentally bad", but I yet to see you talk about the plethora of other passages and scripture in the Bible where it talks about love and unity.

There are also different interpretations of the Bible and how to go about it. To take a 100% literal interpretation of it would be ignorant, and as someone who has supposedly studied religious studies in a university, that's ignorant. 

And in discussing God and the question of "Where is he when there is so much suffering within the world?" I mean, it's been debated for ages, and no one will no exactly why—I'm going to be completely honest with you. However, I think the main reason is that God allowed free will. I'm not saying their right by any means, none whatsoever, but it's a matter of God allowing suffering not because he wants it, but because it's a battle of the good vs. evil. What I was taught in R.E. was that it was the work of Satan and his manipulation of Adam and Eve that brought evil into the world, and with that came sin and all that.

The problem I that I have with what you said isn't so much the religious aspects, though. Like I said, I'm not a religious individual, and nor am I defending those religious fanatics that try to force religion down people's throats and stuff. The problem I have is that you generalized a whole group of people. I know many religious people, and they're all loving and supporting—I'm even out to some of them, and they treat me like equals and love and support me just the same. Now, that's not to say that everyone's loving and supporting, but you can't just generalize the religion and say: everyone who follows this religion is inherently bad and immoral.

You are literally being an ignorant person by generalizing a whole population. Even if you fundamentally disagree with everything they're standing for, which is completely fine and okay, my point is that you can't just paint the community with this giant paintbrush.

Also, this "they discriminated me, so I can discriminate them" thing is so childish. Trust me, trust me, I have had my fair share of discrimination and mistreatment, but what good does it do to keep fighting one another? To stand up for yourself, to tell people "This is who I am!" is amazing, it's awesome, and that's what you should do, but if you're going to just discriminate against another people group, that does no one any good and no one any justice. 

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59 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

The Bible also condemns eating shrimp, wearing clothes of different material, men cutting their hair, etc., yet I don't see people condemning those things into oblivion. 

[For the record, I'm going to use Christianity just because it's the thing I know best]

Yes, I am aware that the Bible and other holy books are very destructive and depict violence, but Jesus Christ was the one who taught us about love and mercy. He's the one that died for the sins of humanity: past, present, and future. He is all-loving and all-forgiving and merciful. That's what I mean when I talk about how fundamentally, Christianity is suppose to be about good. I see you talking about the laws and rules behind Christianity, and how they're "fundamentally bad", but I yet to see you talk about the plethora of other passages and scripture in the Bible where it talks about love and unity.

There are also different interpretations of the Bible and how to go about it. To take a 100% literal interpretation of it would be ignorant, and as someone who has supposedly studied religious studies in a university, that's ignorant. 

And in discussing God and the question of "Where is he when there is so much suffering within the world?" I mean, it's been debated for ages, and no one will no exactly why—I'm going to be completely honest with you. However, I think the main reason is that God allowed free will. I'm not saying their right by any means, none whatsoever, but it's a matter of God allowing suffering not because he wants it, but because it's a battle of the good vs. evil. What I was taught in R.E. was that it was the work of Satan and his manipulation of Adam and Eve that brought evil into the world, and with that came sin and all that.

The problem I that I have with what you said isn't so much the religious aspects, though. Like I said, I'm not a religious individual, and nor am I defending those religious fanatics that try to force religion down people's throats and stuff. The problem I have is that you generalized a whole group of people. I know many religious people, and they're all loving and supporting—I'm even out to some of them, and they treat me like equals and love and support me just the same. Now, that's not to say that everyone's loving and supporting, but you can't just generalize the religion and say: everyone who follows this religion is inherently bad and immoral.

You are literally being an ignorant person by generalizing a whole population. Even if you fundamentally disagree with everything they're standing for, which is completely fine and okay, my point is that you can't just paint the community with this giant paintbrush.

Also, this "they discriminated me, so I can discriminate them" thing is so childish. Trust me, trust me, I have had my fair share of discrimination and mistreatment, but what good does it do to keep fighting one another? To stand up for yourself, to tell people "This is who I am!" is amazing, it's awesome, and that's what you should do, but if you're going to just discriminate against another people group, that does no one any good and no one any justice. 

You're right, not everything can be taken at face value: Jesus has said that he spoke in parables in order to confuse outsiders.

Although I disagree with what you said about free will. God created good and evil, He is the all-knowing God, but He created Satan anyway, so shouldn't He be held responsible? He gave "free will" to us all, but the consequences of not believing is Hell - that is about as much free will as a thief gives its victim at gunpoint. Is it fair for us to be doomed to pay for what Adam and Eve has done? They are long gone and we are not them, forcing us to face the consequences of what they have done is cruel.

I'm not saying that religious people are bad, but I do believe that religion in itself is not good.

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38 minutes ago, Belivet said:

You're right, not everything can be taken at face value: Jesus has said that he spoke in parables in order to confuse outsiders.

Although I disagree with what you said about free will. God created good and evil, He is the all-knowing God, but He created Satan anyway, so shouldn't He be held responsible? He gave "free will" to us all, but the consequences of not believing is Hell - that is about as much free will as a thief gives its victim at gunpoint. Is it fair for us to be doomed to pay for what Adam and Eve has done? They are long gone and we are not them, forcing us to face the consequences of what they have done is cruel.

I'm not saying that religious people are bad, but I do believe that religion in itself is not good.

The "free will" thing was something that I was taught in religious education, though I disagree with it because of the exact things that you mentioned. 

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10 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

The "free will" thing was something that I was taught in religious education, though I disagree with it because of the exact things that you mentioned. 

I completely agree. The free will argument just doesn't make sense, along with many "explanations" people give for the Bible, in my opinion.

If we are good people, yet we will be sent to Hell for not worshipping this God or for worshipping the wrong God, I believe it would be God who has disappointed us. Eternal punishment for not believing is excessive, and it seems like the same punishment is the consequence for all the sins... an eye for an eye doesn't really apply to God, does it?

Justice and love cannot always coexist, although I really think that the biblical God is neither.

[HANZ 4,380]

the land of freedom

the land of justice

the land of god

or at least that's what they told me, yet they treat minorities like crap

 

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20 hours ago, River said:

Time to ban religion, it's really going out of control, everywhere in the world.

I wouldn't let a Christian, Jew or Muslim to adopt or naturally have a child so they can brainwash the little soul to believe in total bullshit.

How many people needs to be hurt in the name of ancient book character that never existed and will never be?

How much money are we going to waste on something that has no meaning, that doing nothing helpful? all the money that we are burning for religion we could spend it on education, science, the poor..

When people will realize it?

It's devastating and this is a fight of a few, because so many people are protecting religion and religious people so badly that people like me are "the bad ones".. meh.. the world is so cruel..

 

edgy

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5 hours ago, River said:

I studied the religions for a long time, I read the books more than once, worked hard to understand every sentence there, studied the cultures and more and I have a degree in religious studies at the university.

I don't know if you ever read the old testament or the new (I guess no for the Quran) but the state that the religions now are becoming exactly how "god" wanted them to be and how he stressed it in the books, there are laws and rules that defines the way you must worship this god in those books and how society should work. so to say it's not the religion, it's the people - it's ignorance.

It is the religion, it is how it's written that god wants it!

You, even you, considered as a sinner to god, not because you are gay, but because you worship not in the way that it wants!

Now tell me, if it's the people, where is god to come and tell them to stop? that this is not how he wants them to behave? where is he? he can do another flood in a second, but the last time he fixed society was thousands of years ago, since then it didn't show up here at all and didn't even punish us.. so there are 2 option:

1. He approves the behavior of his followers (discrimination, murder, fanaticism etc)

2. he doesn't exist.

The choice is yours.

If you really want to expend your knowledge, read the books, dig inside them to understand exactly, what is religion because it's nothing but hate.

Yes there is love, but only to the right religious people, there's no love for gays, for slaves, for women, for non religious and so on..

 

I was discriminated first btw, so I'm allowed to discriminate those who discriminating me since I was born because I'm gay.

For someone who studied religions you are generalizing too much! My religion, for example, doesn't say that being gay is wrong, and that gays are as normal as straights.

And for your last sentence, sorry but it's wrong. If a guy killed someone I loved do I have the direct to kill someone he loves? You can't demand a behavior if you don't behave alike.

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3 hours ago, M Monstre said:

The Bible also condemns eating shrimp, wearing clothes of different material, men cutting their hair, etc., yet I don't see people condemning those things into oblivion. 

[For the record, I'm going to use Christianity just because it's the thing I know best]

Yes, I am aware that the Bible and other holy books are very destructive and depict violence, but Jesus Christ was the one who taught us about love and mercy. He's the one that died for the sins of humanity: past, present, and future. He is all-loving and all-forgiving and merciful. That's what I mean when I talk about how fundamentally, Christianity is suppose to be about good. I see you talking about the laws and rules behind Christianity, and how they're "fundamentally bad", but I yet to see you talk about the plethora of other passages and scripture in the Bible where it talks about love and unity.

There are also different interpretations of the Bible and how to go about it. To take a 100% literal interpretation of it would be ignorant, and as someone who has supposedly studied religious studies in a university, that's ignorant. 

And in discussing God and the question of "Where is he when there is so much suffering within the world?" I mean, it's been debated for ages, and no one will no exactly why—I'm going to be completely honest with you. However, I think the main reason is that God allowed free will. I'm not saying their right by any means, none whatsoever, but it's a matter of God allowing suffering not because he wants it, but because it's a battle of the good vs. evil. What I was taught in R.E. was that it was the work of Satan and his manipulation of Adam and Eve that brought evil into the world, and with that came sin and all that.

The problem I that I have with what you said isn't so much the religious aspects, though. Like I said, I'm not a religious individual, and nor am I defending those religious fanatics that try to force religion down people's throats and stuff. The problem I have is that you generalized a whole group of people. I know many religious people, and they're all loving and supporting—I'm even out to some of them, and they treat me like equals and love and support me just the same. Now, that's not to say that everyone's loving and supporting, but you can't just generalize the religion and say: everyone who follows this religion is inherently bad and immoral.

You are literally being an ignorant person by generalizing a whole population. Even if you fundamentally disagree with everything they're standing for, which is completely fine and okay, my point is that you can't just paint the community with this giant paintbrush.

Also, this "they discriminated me, so I can discriminate them" thing is so childish. Trust me, trust me, I have had my fair share of discrimination and mistreatment, but what good does it do to keep fighting one another? To stand up for yourself, to tell people "This is who I am!" is amazing, it's awesome, and that's what you should do, but if you're going to just discriminate against another people group, that does no one any good and no one any justice. 

I know what the bible condemn and some things are very sick, the Jews are still not eating sea food and pork for example, we as human evolved and understood that many things that the bible and god condemning are against the rational mind, against freedom and most important, democracy and human rights.

How Jesus can be good if at the Last Judgment he supposed to send the sinners to hell? if he was good he would forgive them and send them to heaven..

To think that Jesus died for your sins is selfish and to be selfish it's also a sin and also gives you free will to do only bad things during your life and one second before your death you can ask for forgiveness.. don't you think that it's an easy method not to be responsible for the bad things that you do and freely to do them because well.. anyway, I will be forgiven yay

"different interpretations" is the new music not the bling, it's the easy way to twist the things that you get criticized for.. you can't do this I'm sorry.. you have a guiding books which tells you what yes what not and you should follow it and not try to bend the corners to what fits you the best and makes you look good and lovely..

I studied the different interpretations and I also studied many things that canceled them.

God did the flood, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, did hell to Ancient Egypt, killed Jews in the desert when they sinned, didn't bring rain, destroyed the temple twice in Jerusalem because people sinned.. and now suddenly he gives a free will and without punishment? do you really believe in it?

He didn't give you free will, you chose to give it to yourself and disobey god.

I'm sorry but I wouldn't let a person that believes in nonsense like hell and heaven (come on, where the **** are those places? in the galaxy? a different planet?? wake up..) a man that was born without sex and sperm, that came back to life.. all those fantasies, I wouldn't let a kid stay close to this kind of person, I'm sorry.

I like this when someone is pointing the fingers to the religious people and criticizing them and bringing a discriminating idea, they are going crazy, how is it possible? we are superior!

No no, this game is over, after all the **** that happened and still happening because of religion and it's followers, it's time for you to taste what you do every! single! day!

You are not holly, you are not protected, you are just a person with a hobby that hurting me and disturbing my daily life and many of my rights!

 

 

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3 minutes ago, River said:

I know what the bible condemn and some things are very sick, the Jews are still not eating sea food and pork for example, we as human evolved and understood that many things that the bible and god condemning are against the rational mind, against freedom and most important, democracy and human rights.

How Jesus can be good if at the Last Judgment he supposed to send the sinners to hell? if he was good he would forgive them and send them to heaven..

To think that Jesus died for your sins is selfish and to be selfish it's also a sin and also gives you free will to do only bad things during your life and one second before your death you can ask for forgiveness.. don't you think that it's an easy method not to be responsible for the bad things that you do and freely to do them because well.. anyway, I will be forgiven yay

"different interpretations" is the new music not the bling, it's the easy way to twist the things that you get criticized for.. you can't do this I'm sorry.. you have a guiding books which tells you what yes what not and you should follow it and not try to bend the corners to what fits you the best and makes you look good and lovely..

I studied the different interpretations and I also studied many things that canceled them.

God did the flood, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, did hell to Ancient Egypt, killed Jews in the desert when they sinned, didn't bring rain, destroyed the temple twice in Jerusalem because people sinned.. and now suddenly he gives a free will and without punishment? do you really believe in it?

He didn't give you free will, you chose to give it to yourself and disobey god.

I'm sorry but I wouldn't let a person that believes in nonsense like hell and heaven (come on, where the **** are those places? in the galaxy? a different planet?? wake up..) a man that was born without sex and sperm, that came back to life.. all those fantasies, I wouldn't let a kid stay close to this kind of person, I'm sorry.

I like this when someone is pointing the fingers to the religious people and criticizing them and bringing a discriminating idea, they are going crazy, how is it possible? we are superior!

No no, this game is over, after all the **** that happened and still happening because of religion and it's followers, it's time for you to taste what you do every! single! day!

You are not holly, you are not protected, you are just a person with a hobby that hurting me and disturbing my daily life and many of my rights!

 

 

Okay. I'm beginning to wonder if you even realize what I'm saying.

I am not saying that what religious fanatics do is wrong, I am not saying that discrimination is okay by any means. I am not trying to defend religion in it of itself, so I'm not going to go into the debate about Christianity and religion, not because I don't want to or can't defend it, but because it wasn't the point of my first comment in the first place.

Again, the problem I have is that you seem to be painting an entire community with one single stroke of a paintbrush. If you're not doing that, then I wholeheartedly apologize, but from what I am seeing from your comments, it seems like that's what you're doing.

You cannot just generalize people like that, I don't care what type of community they're in. You are letting your emotions dictate a bias point of view. Because of what you experienced and because of what you went through, you just think it's okay to generalize a whole community.

Hasn't it been enough that the LGBTQ+ community has been generalized enough?

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21 hours ago, ACT2 said:

wtf? dude if ur an atheist have alook around u 

ask ur self who made this stuff? who created me?

i would advise you to look up islam 

cause it isnt made up its the only holy book that hasnt been touched and editied like the others(tora bible) so look up islam its not bullshit 

allah would be mad but hey will forgive u 

islam is the only true relgion 

The Tora,just like any other religious holy book,is  mythology.
It's like saying : "I believe that Superman exists because DC's comics say so,they have all of his stories!".

Just like Zeus and the Olympian Gods in ancient Greece.
Their relegion got forgotten and it's not publicly practised.
Eventually every religion gets replaced by time.
The need to believe in Gods comes from the uncertainty of death.
Our minds can't accept the idea of not existing anymore.
Religions help to make the idea of death more comforting
Humans fear the unknown.So believing that you know and understand something more,makes it less scary.

Death is loss of consciousness. Just like when you sleep without seeing any  dreams. It's the state before you were born and had self-consciousness

 

[River 127,449]

34 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

Okay. I'm beginning to wonder if you even realize what I'm saying.

I am not saying that what religious fanatics do is wrong, I am not saying that discrimination is okay by any means. I am not trying to defend religion in it of itself, so I'm not going to go into the debate about Christianity and religion, not because I don't want to or can't defend it, but because it wasn't the point of my first comment in the first place.

Again, the problem I have is that you seem to be painting an entire community with one single stroke of a paintbrush. If you're not doing that, then I wholeheartedly apologize, but from what I am seeing from your comments, it seems like that's what you're doing.

You cannot just generalize people like that, I don't care what type of community they're in. You are letting your emotions dictate a bias point of view. Because of what you experienced and because of what you went through, you just think it's okay to generalize a whole community.

Hasn't it been enough that the LGBTQ+ community has been generalized enough?

Hasn't it been enough that the LGBTQ+ community has been generalized enough?

and because of what and whom? what sentence in the bible started all this?

This community is the majority in the world and this majority took it's power to harm other minorities like me and you, so I can generalize and criticize this community..

Because you can't say I'm pro-gay but believe in a god who is anti-gay and precisely commended to kill us all, it makes you turn against your god.. it's not that complicated..

And I'm not talking with my emotions lol I'm talking from my mind.

I really don't like a debate that going in circles about generalization and bias accusations, it's kinda boring and moving aside the real subjects..

So let's end this if you don't have anything to say apart from "generalization"