Bon Voyage: Katy Perry’s ‘Bon Appétit’ Crashes Out Of iTunes Top 100

[theahsfan 13,822]

[theahsfan 13,822]

11 hours ago, GhettoFabulous said:

Let's give it time  from the snippets so far I think this will be the first Katy perry album I might download 

Half the tracks sound ugly imo.. especially Pendulum.

[Brian Ryan 1,468]

There should be a Katy hate section... it's the same mother****ers. Why report? It's like as soon as you see the name "Katy" linked with half of you names should be an automatic warning point. How dare you celebrate a song out of 100? You reap what you sew... and soon the same thing will happen to you fave and so on. Also, there have been songs that have gone out of 100 approaching towards platinum like "Kiss It Better" not saying it will do that. I will just keep playing the ****ing song. 

[GhettoFabulous 18,501]

2 minutes ago, theahsfan said:

Half the tracks sound ugly imo.. especially Pendulum.

Scared to die and goddess though sound  but yeah the Rest is cute 

[Blueskye 1,087]

I actually really like this song. I didn't listen to Katy since Applause vs Roar and didn't buy her music, but BA has rekindled my love for her. I've finally bought some PRISM tracks and started bopping to her again. I've had BA on repeat so much that I've probably listened to it more than The Cure. 

I think this single is much better than CTTR, it's funny that I really enjoy the one song that everyone else hates. 

[SlaeUrAnus 15,958]

It seems like she has found some artistic direction because CTTR and Bon Appétit are actually creative songs if I'm being honest. 

However, her fans can stay pressed at the decreasing sales. Karma is a bitch 

[Irrelevant 20,282]

1 hour ago, SlaeUrAnus said:

It seems like she has found some artistic direction because CTTR and Bon Appétit are actually creative songs if I'm being honest. 

However, her fans can stay pressed at the decreasing sales. Karma is a bitch 

TIHWD MV had more artistic direction tho 

[LaBlue 993]

She literally has no talent.She is worthless in music industry.Anyone can make these baby-lyrics simple melody songs.She deserves to flop 

[Divine 1,828]

14 hours ago, hausofgay said:

Thinking of You #29

Unconditionally #14

Birthday #17

TIHWD#24

Rice #11

Thinking of you, unconditionally, birthday, tihwd is certified platinum tho in the US

she started to flop i think in rise era up until now  

 

[Wixson 5,004]

 

[drinkmytears 2,332]

You guys are as bad to Katy as other fandoms were to Gaga during the late BTW/ARTPOP eras. 

Why put them through what Gaga/we had to go through? Grow up its not 2013. A joke here of there is fine, but the constant hate and negativity is so boring.

[sipthistea 21,099]

20 hours ago, GhettoFabulous said:

Let's give it time  from the snippets so far I think this will be the first Katy perry album I might download 

I think I might get it too on ZippyShare 

[StrawberryBlond 14,832]

20 hours ago, swordstalker said:

This is a very thoughtful post. I think there are 2 main factors at work here that differeniate Gaga and Katy in terms of public standing. First, Gaga was a master of cultivating a huge, loyal fan base. This may not be enough to send every song #1, but it's enough to ensure strong pre-album single positions in terms of sales. PI still did pretty well first week in terms of sales because of fans. Katy openly mocked Gaga for saying she would die for her fans. I think this speaks volumes about her attitude towards her fan base. The katy fans are dwarfed by Gaga fans, but Katy had more GP support which worked for a while, but it's not a formula for longevity like Gaga's. All pop girls fade eventually, and then you have to rely on actual talent and your core fanbase.

Secondly, this is somewhat in the same vane, but everyone knows Gaga is a liberal and she has such a huge core fan base that the Hillary thing didn't hurt her much. Katy relies on the GP more, so the Hillary thing alienated a lot of the GP. 

Also, BA just isn't single material. The Migos feature was the nail in the coffin. Katy's pop song writing is no match for Gaga's. Katy tried to make BA her Government Hooker. But the lyrics are stale and the song is monotonous. Neither song is an earworm, but Government Hooker is a pop masterpiece. It is dynamic, robotic and grimy simultaneously, and is lyrically never a dull moment. She interweaves JFK/Marylin commentary and sexual empowerment flawlessly and the song is always entertaining (the laughs, the "iku iku", the moans). It's full of quirks that make the song interesting. The metaphors are actually intelligent. The BA lyrics just fall flat. The double entendres are basic, and she does nothing but sing a laundry list of them throughout the whole song. The instrumental is monotonous and really goes nowhere. The stars really didn't line up for Katy this time, and I don't think they will until she puts out a catchy tune. 

Very true. Until now, I'd assumed Katy had a big fanbase, what with all the successful singles she had and how Prism was a massive money spinner. But I think events of recent months have proved me wrong. Clearly, she had more casual fans than loyal fans. She's always made her singles for the GP, there's no question of that. Perhaps trying to focus too much on pleasing everyone instead of forming music that connects with a core fanbase was a bad idea? I mean, all those millions of single sales and #1's for weeks wasn't down to fan support, that's the public. I know a lot of parents bought their little girls tickets to the Prism tour and really, a lot of mums do that for their young daughters, even when they show no interest in the actual artist. This concept is so alien to me because I was a 90's kid and my mum would never have even entertained the possibility of taking me to see a live concert, not even if I'd wanted to. But times are different now. So many parents assume their kids want this and the artist seems kid friendly, so it's a nice treat, a day out for them. I know people who went to the Prism tour said there were a lot of parents accompanying kids there. But if said artist is no longer big on the charts, parents won't think of buying tickets to their show because their name isn't relevant to them as parents anymore. When the public has moved on, your fans are the only ones to fall back on and like you said, if Katy hasn't worked hard enough on building up a relationship and loyalty with them (not to mention, showing distain for artists who say they would die for their fans), she's maybe not going to have that support.

The thing is, and I know it's harsh to say, but I don't have much optimisim for her as a commercial artist from here on out. People are saying that yeah, she's flopping now, but she just needs to go back to her old style and people will love her again but I honestly don't think they will. That's only possible when you're really young (and Katy's going to be 33 this year and the next album will probably be another 3 years or so in the future) or if you have crazy talent and she definitely doesn't have that. Artists like her come along, they have a good run and then they fade away. Even if they replicate the style that made them big. When the public's moved on from you, it's usually over. The only other way it can be possible to make a comeback even after all that is if you're a man. But women just don't seem to garner the same loyal fanbases that men have.

19 hours ago, theahsfan said:

The song's doing terribly yet the biggest radio station here in the UK spins it at least 3-4 times a day just because it's Katy Perry. They played **** all from Joanne and it sucks. 

That annoys me so much as well. Radio couldn't wait to drop her when Gaga even started slipping even the slightest bit and have refused to give her the time of day since. It's good to see that The Cure is finally getting through to them, probably since it's the first Gaga song since the TFM to actually rise in its second week. For a Gaga song to have remained in the top 20 on UK itunes for its fourth consecutive week is amazing so I don't think they can ignore it now. If it's still in that position after all this time it's because the public like it, therefore, they should be obligated to play it on the radio. I mean, if I had my own radio station, I would only want to play artists who I liked but that isn't how radio's supposed to work. You play the stuff the public wants. And if the public likes The Cure, radio sure as hell better supply it. They're only giving Katy spins now because she's going to Radio 1's Big Weekend. I'm sure the support will end as soon as that's over and the song will have dropped even more. They'll look so stupid if they keep playlisting it despite the fact that the public isn't interested.

19 hours ago, freebit said:

I think bubblegum pop is not where it's at anymore, thus Katy kind of struggling to fit into the radio trend and seeming ~uncool~. Pop stars who dabble more in, and can pull off R&B like Rihanna and Ariana will have a much easier time right now, as well as "alt" and "indie" sounding girls like Halsey, Alessia Cara, and the practically anonymous vocalists that feature on male DJ tracks. 

I think this song might be doing better in the UK because of Radio 1 support (Katy is doing the Radio 1 festival), leftover momentum from CTTR, and the fact that Europe is more inclined to always support more pure pop leaning music even when it's not in fashion (like the Girls Aloud phenomenon in the mid aughts). 

Yeah, Katy can't pull off any style other than pop and doesn't seem comfortable with any other style. At least Gaga can adapt to any trend if she really wanted to. Pure pop just really isn't cool right now and next to everyone else, Katy just appears really childish and dorky right now. I mean, she's lucky Prism got released when it did. I can't imagine people supporting such music now. It sounds like it was made for kids.

18 hours ago, Batwings said:

Do you think it's possible that the GP is just getting tired of Katy? These days, you have to be a chameleon to keep people's interest, and Katy really hasn't evolved at all since the TD era. Her aesthetic has been the same, her sound has been the same, and cutting her hair and going blonde isn't going to be enough. 

And for the record, I actually like Katy. I thought TD was a brilliant pop album, and I liked most of Prism, but everything she's done so far this era has been really lackluster and hasn't really showcased any growth as an artist. I think she needs to diversify. 

It could be. When you turn 30 in the pop world, you have to start showing real growth or you lose popularity. It's like the public only want fun music from you when you're young enough to pull that off but when you get older it's like, you're a mature adult now, give us something more. I like TD as well, but it was the only album of hers I really liked. But to keep replicating that style just makes her work seem really dated and like she's got very limited ideas.

I once heard a brilliant review of her music that said something I'd never thought of before: Katy has no set personality in her music. One minute, she's a wild party girl (Waking Up In Vegas)...the next, she's moping about her lost love (The One That Got Away). One minute, she's sex kitten a (I Kissed A Girl, Bon Appetit) who has threesomes (Last Friday Night)...the next, she's a loving devoted girlfriend who will stand by your side forever (Unconditionally). One minute, she wants an otherworldly lover (E.T.)...the next, she's the otherworldly lover (Dark Horse). One minute, she's all about abandoning your worries and having silly fun (California Gurls, This Is How We Do)...the next, she's telling us to stop living in utopia and see the light (Wide Awake, Chained To The Rhythm). There's no consistency with her message. She doesn't have a set personality. She is whoever the song says she is. Part of the reason why singers like Madonna, Britney, Rihanna, Beyonce, Gaga, Taylor, etc. have been able to be so successful is because they have distinct personalities, songs that sound like them. They know who they are and their fans know who they are. But Katy? It's difficult to pin down who she really is. Is she a good girl? A bad girl? An inspirational figure? Sexual? Conservative? She's been all these things. Maybe this lack of pinning down who she really is confuses people, so they can't be loyal to an artist who don't know who they are.

18 hours ago, ZacharyMark said:

Do you think they'll pull an Ariana "Focus" and Rih "Four Five Seconds" and somewhat revamp the album?

There's no time to do that. She said she started writing the album in June, so its taken her 11 months to get this far and the album is still being worked on. So, a revamp would take at least another 6 months, another year if she's going completely back to the drawing board. She'll fail unquestionably if she takes any more time with this. Rihanna's Anti album is hardly one you could hold up as an exception to the rule. Post-Work, its singles have only been successful in America and her tour only sold so well because tickets were put out before the album. And she's been around longer and has more fans. She could just about pull it off, there's no way Katy will. And as for Ariana? She's only had one real hit with her re-vamped album. I'm concerned about her future too.

12 hours ago, styleyourvision said:

What in the world is going on here?

12 hours ago, doppelganger said:

After 9 years Katy's kind of outgrown the GP. The GP will move on to whoever the next hot act is.

She's made a career out of bubblegum pop for a very young audience, never taking risks until recently (and blew in her face in 2017). Unfortunately for Katy, can she really put out another Teenage Dream as she hits 35? Is she confident enough to stand behind her 'woke' new music even if it is perceived to have underperformed? 

In retrospect Gaga is really smart. At the time i thought going Jazz was a huge mistake but it really solidifies Gaga's reputation as a legacy act and a live performer worth paying money to see. Gaga diversified when it mattered. 

That's exactly what I think. You hit the nail on the head.

3 hours ago, drinkmytears said:

You guys are as bad to Katy as other fandoms were to Gaga during the late BTW/ARTPOP eras. 

Why put them through what Gaga/we had to go through? Grow up its not 2013. A joke here of there is fine, but the constant hate and negativity is so boring.

We're only doing what they did to us. It's only fair. Don't dish it out if you can't take it is what I always say. Sure, we could take the high road, but that's not nearly as satisfying. But honestly, by this stage, even I feel sorry for Katy. This downfall is just too tragic.

[drinkmytears 2,332]

5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

We're only doing what they did to us. It's only fair. Don't dish it out if you can't take it is what I always say. Sure, we could take the high road, but that's not nearly as satisfying. But honestly, by this stage, even I feel sorry for Katy. This downfall is just too tragic.

For someone that I've always thought is so thoughtful and logical, I can't believe you're going with the "2 wrongs make it right!" narrative. How is being negative and hateful satisfying? Appreciate Gaga's current success, because it isn't forever, and keep the energy and karma good. 

Katy has rebounded from mediocre success before. She did the Super Bowl, she's soldout world tours, broken records, and gotten hit after hit. She's not going to be a B List star anytime soon.

[StrawberryBlond 14,832]

1 hour ago, drinkmytears said:

For someone that I've always thought is so thoughtful and logical, I can't believe you're going with the "2 wrongs make it right!" narrative. How is being negative and hateful satisfying? Appreciate Gaga's current success, because it isn't forever, and keep the energy and karma good. 

Katy has rebounded from mediocre success before. She did the Super Bowl, she's soldout world tours, broken records, and gotten hit after hit. She's not going to be a B List star anytime soon.

2 wrongs don't always make a right. But in this specific instance, I think we've earned it. We went through a really bad time with AP and every fanbase brought us down. They thought it would never happen to them. But they're now learning that no one is invincible, that you can on top one minute and rock bottom the next. Gloating at them over their fave's lack of success will maybe teach them an important lesson - that perhaps laughing at people's misfortune isn't the best path. It's suddenly no longer funny when it happen to you (pardon the reference). I think this could be a big humbling experience for her fans because they have been p*****g me off for the last three and a half years. Like someone already said, at least Katy fans won't be able to drag Gaga again once this era is over. And the karma thing? I sometimes think it's real, other times not. Too many good things have happened to bad people in the industry. If it was true, there would be a lot of names who would have dropped off the face of celebrity years ago.

Katy has never suffered flopping this bad before, though. So, we don't know if she can recover yet. If it's a new thing, we don't know what the outcome will be.