What's your thoughts on hypocrisy

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girls...those are old! i've seen these pics around the BTW era. no wonder they didn't use actual new footage of Gaga, instead only stuff around BTW and before

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20 minutes ago, Edonis said:

Sis, 1) You live in the Middle East or at least a Muslim majority country I'm assuming? You should know that the épicentre of almost all radicalism is Saudi Arabia. They have the least amount of access to affordable education, the most inflammatory laws and propaganda media that is funded by the royal family, as well as a dying economy that fuels extremists into becoming radicalized in hopes that they can provide for their family. Saudi Arabians are not in consideration from being barred. That's stupid. 

2) He has said a number of questionable things regarding middle eastern people; calling from a hat region as "bad guys" "bad people" etc. Do you honestly hate yourself that much to blindly ignore his subtle islamophobia? 

3) He doesn't want to force his "western beliefs" on middle eastern people BUT wants them to subscribe to his politics and beliefs when they enter the country/do business with him? Really? And why is it that he has the most business relationships with the most conservative ME country? What is the reason for that? 

4) I wasn't fond of Obama's temporary ban either. I was a critic and a skeptic on its effectiveness and ultimate role in the formation and normalization of ISIS. And it wasn't 12 times. 

 

1) What are you talking about? im not sure what your point here is or what you are even saying. But ill comment on what I understood even though it has nothing to do with our subject. Saudi Arabia has the best colleges for free with all American staff and we get to study in foreign countries for free with a government salary plus we dont pay taxes for it so im not sure what you are talking about unless I misunderstood you. And I did not understand what you mean by radicalizing people in hope to provide for their family?

2) I dont think he ever said muslim are bad people or bad guys, he might said there is alot of bad people in these places that are against us for what we did to them and thats true. There is many terrorists in the Middle East. He never generalized or said most people there are bad.

3) Yes when you go to America, you have to go with American rules but you cant go to other peoples home and enforce your own rules. The reason he does business with most conservative countries in the ME is because peoples beliefs in business doesnt matter and it just happens that the most conservative place in the ME is the richest because of oil.

4) You were but most people turned a blind eye and wouldnt call him racist as they do with Trump. When Obama does it people act like nothing happened but when someone they disagree with does it they scream and shout and protest.

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8 hours ago, Fay said:

Hes trying to ban 7 out of 55 Muslim countries meaning 95% of Muslims are not banned so obviously its not a Muslim ban.. he is banning countries with risk of terrorism that most Muslim countries banned too. He never said Muslim people are the source of terrorism but its definitely a problem in our community and he admits that America played a huge part in creating this by funding terrorism and from the immoral wars they created. On His inauguration speech he said the west shouldnt force their values on Muslims. Also, lets not forget its just a 90 day ban unlike what Obama did in the past when he banned countries more than 12 times and all past presidents. 
 

But he's protecting Christian refugees from the same banned countries so he can't deny he's specifically banning Muslims. Otherwise it would ban everyone from those countries.

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Hypocrisy is a sin that everyone do, most of the time we are not realizing we did it. That's my view on it

 

 

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14 minutes ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

But he's protecting Christian refugees from the same banned countries so he can't deny he's specifically banning Muslims. Otherwise it would ban everyone from those countries.

There is two reasons for that. The first reason is these christians are ancient minorities that could go extinct very easily as they are just a couple hundred people. The second reason is the reason for the ban is radical islamic terrorism and christians obviously wont be part of that. Just like how Obama protected Yazidi people only witch is a religion by itself too. You can disagree with what hes doing as I do aswell but I wouldnt call it a Muslim ban or Islamophobe or call him Hitler.

 

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Just now, Fay said:

There is two reasons for that. The first reason is these christians are ancient minorities that could go extinct very easily as they are just a couple hundred people. The second reason is the reason for the ban is radical islamic terrorism and christians obviously wont be part of that. You can disagree with what hes doing as I do aswell but I wouldnt call it a Muslim ban or Islamophobe or call him Hitler.

No ones trying to make you call it anything just stating the facts which you agreed with.

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10 hours ago, Bebe said:

Secondly, regardless of how wrong I think the protestors are, they have a right to protest against the political messages found in Gaga, or anybodies songs. If they feel songs like Judas are offensive and conflicted with their values they are allowed to take to the streets and voice their objections to what they see as an attack on their moral values.

That's absolutely right, but let's not forget that most of the protests against Trump, for example those during the inauguration day, and also most of the protest against Gaga in the eastern countries, were very violent. And, just because you don't agree with something, it could be anything but you are NOT allowed to be violent towards other people or towards public things (during the protests against Trump, protestors threw trash baskets against on shops windows... and so on). And, let's remember that Gaga had to cancel her concert in an eastern country due to the too violent and radicalized protests. This is, in my opinion, the worst part of hypocrisy. 

People who declare themselves "democratic, open minded, progressive, libertarian", if something happens, which they do not accept, than they start these never ending violent protests. And if someone points that they are being TOO violent and they should just accept the fact that not everything that happens must accomplish they're thoughts, immediately he gets told that it's protestors' right to protests. And this is hypocrisy, because violence should be forbidden in every case, and not accepted just because "protestors are protesting against Trump who's a very bad person so they can also be violent" or because "Gaga's song are against protestor beliefs so it's they're right to invade the streets and to insult those who wanna go to her concert". 

This is hypocrisy, and I hate it. It's one of the worst thing in the world for me, really.

Edit: just now read that you think that protestors are wrong... sorry  but, anyway my comment wasn't "against" you or in response of your own comment, it was a generic thoughts that I had reading your comment, that's actually very intelligent and well expressed imo

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52 minutes ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

No ones trying to make you call it anything just stating the facts which you agreed with.

No I did not agree with the so called facts you gave.. I agree with you that the ban is wrong but not for the reasons you think its wrong.

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9 hours ago, Fay said:

1) What are you talking about? im not sure what your point here is or what you are even saying. But ill comment on what I understood even though it has nothing to do with our subject. Saudi Arabia has the best colleges for free with all American staff and we get to study in foreign countries for free with a government salary plus we dont pay taxes for it so im not sure what you are talking about unless I misunderstood you. And I did not understand what you mean by radicalizing people in hope to provide for their family?

2) I dont think he ever said muslim are bad people or bad guys, he might said there is alot of bad people in these places that are against us for what we did to them and thats true. There is many terrorists in the Middle East. He never generalized or said most people there are bad.

3) Yes when you go to America, you have to go with American rules but you cant go to other peoples home and enforce your own rules. The reason he does business with most conservative countries in the ME is because peoples beliefs in business doesnt matter and it just happens that the most conservative place in the ME is the richest because of oil.

4) You were but most people turned a blind eye and wouldnt call him racist as they do with Trump. When Obama does it people act like nothing happened but when someone they disagree with does it they scream and shout and protest.

1) The "Best colleges" in the ME are not in Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, Im talking about education access to ALL people. Sis, education is expensive there as most people have terrible salaries since the economy is so dependent upon oil, an industry that will die eventually. Socially, the country is the most conservative in the ME with a government that matches it (unlike Iran, where the government is conservative but the people tend to be less). Saudi Arabia has been accused by countless middle eastern countries as sponsoring terrorism and terrorists, since the country is so large and parts of it are obsolete, people take advantage of that by hiding from officials, etc. 

2) His desire to single out Muslim refugees as opposed to conservative Christians (which do exist in the Middle East. Look at Coptic Christianity) speaks volumes. Also there are more than "hundreds" of Christians in the ME. Almost half of Lebanon's population is Christian alone. 

3) That in and of itself is considered hypocritical. You can't understand other people's cultures but you want to do business with some of the most conservative and cruel leaders in that region? Really? 

4) I'm not going to defend the U.S. or their actions. It's trendy to be an activist these days. I'm well aware that a large portion of people are just being "woke" for retweets and social media fame. 

I'm assuming you're from Saudi Arabia since you're defending them that much. Okay sis. That's fine, but to act like Trump is popular in the Middle East is a joke. I'll stand by my stance of saying that maybe amongst those who voted for conservative leaders, have similar political beliefs as him, or are simply ignorant to American politics he may be liked; however, the overwhelming majority do not like him. Refugees alone dislike him. This conversation is done. 

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57 minutes ago, Fay said:

There is two reasons for that. The first reason is these christians are ancient minorities that could go extinct very easily as they are just a couple hundred people. The second reason is the reason for the ban is radical islamic terrorism and christians obviously wont be part of that. Just like how Obama protected Yazidi people only witch is a religion by itself too. You can disagree with what hes doing as I do aswell but I wouldnt call it a Muslim ban or Islamophobe or call him Hitler.

 

So it's still a Muslim ban. You can't really tell who's a radical Islamic terrorist and who's a harmless Muslim. If you can tell who's who, then how? Honest question.

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12 hours ago, Edonis said:

Yes, as a Muslim I can attest to this  

aye brotha!

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LOL u wanna know why he didnt ban saudi arabia cause if he did we would cut the oil on USA 

which would be a dumb decision

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1 hour ago, SarahYuko said:

So it's still a Muslim ban. You can't really tell who's a radical Islamic terrorist and who's a harmless Muslim. If you can tell who's who, then how? Honest question.

How is it a Muslim ban when 99% of Muslims are allowed to enter the US? the ban is based on countries that has high terrorist number and in these countries the terrorism is so high that you cant make the difference between its citizents and the terrorists and they all live together. Even Muslims ban these countries.

1 hour ago, Edonis said:

1) The "Best colleges" in the ME are not in Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, Im talking about education access to ALL people. Sis, education is expensive there as most people have terrible salaries since the economy is so dependent upon oil, an industry that will die eventually. Socially, the country is the most conservative in the ME with a government that matches it (unlike Iran, where the government is conservative but the people tend to be less). Saudi Arabia has been accused by countless middle eastern countries as sponsoring terrorism and terrorists, since the country is so large and parts of it are obsolete, people take advantage of that by hiding from officials, etc. 

2) His desire to single out Muslim refugees as opposed to conservative Christians (which do exist in the Middle East. Look at Coptic Christianity) speaks volumes. Also there are more than "hundreds" of Christians in the ME. Almost half of Lebanon's population is Christian alone. 

3) That in and of itself is considered hypocritical. You can't understand other people's cultures but you want to do business with some of the most conservative and cruel leaders in that region? Really? 

4) I'm not going to defend the U.S. or their actions. It's trendy to be an activist these days. I'm well aware that a large portion of people are just being "woke" for retweets and social media fame. 

I'm assuming you're from Saudi Arabia since you're defending them that much. Okay sis. That's fine, but to act like Trump is popular in the Middle East is a joke. I'll stand by my stance of saying that maybe amongst those who voted for conservative leaders, have similar political beliefs as him, or are simply ignorant to American politics he may be liked; however, the overwhelming majority do not like him. Refugees alone dislike him. This conversation is done. 

1) Your information is wrong but what I dont understand is what does Saudi Arabia got to do with our conversation? is it because we disagree and you know im from Saudi Arabia so you instead try to bring my country up? you do realize that I am an individual human being separated from my country and its actions right? then you accuse me of defending Saudi Arabia witch I did not do, I just corrected information and question you on why you are bringing it up.

2) Yes Lebanon has alot of Christians but we are talking about Christians in these banned countries like Iraq for example and these Christians are not all the same, everyone of them have different ancient culture and history and they are minorities who are in danger of extinction.

3) Yes thats what business is.. Ive never seen a business man asking someone else what their moral beliefs are!

+ I never said Trump is popular in the ME! read my comment again. 

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1 hour ago, LayOnMeAMillion said:

LOL u wanna know why he didnt ban saudi arabia cause if he did we would cut the oil on USA 

which would be a dumb decision

And because he needs Saudi Arabia to fight ISIS when he does that.. just recently Trump and Saudi Arabia agreed on what to do in Syria.

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6 minutes ago, Fay said:

How is it a Muslim ban when 99% of Muslims are allowed to enter the US? the ban is based on countries that has high terrorist number and in these countries the terrorism is so high that you cant make the difference between its citizents and the terrorists and they all live together. Even Muslims ban these countries.

1) Your information is wrong but what I dont understand is what does Saudi Arabia got to do with our conversation? is it because we disagree and you know im from Saudi Arabia so you instead try to bring my country up? you do realize that I am an individual human being separated from my country and its actions right? then you accuse me of defending Saudi Arabia witch I did not do, I just corrected information and question you on why you are bringing it up.

2) Yes Lebanon has alot of Christians but we are talking about Christians in these banned countries like Iraq for example and these Christians are not all the same, everyone of them have different ancient culture and history and they are minorities who are in danger of extinction.

3) Yes thats what business is.. Ive never seen a business man asking someone else what their moral beliefs are!

+ I never said Trump is popular in the ME! read my comment again. 

1) I brought Saudi Arabia up because that country isn't banned even though it's known for harboring terrorism even in the ME, but countries like Iran that have no actual links to ISIS (as they've actually opposed ISIS) are questioned for a ban. That's the only reason why I've brought up SA. You're the one who turned this into a discussion about education etc. (Which is believed to play a role in radicalizing individuals). 

2) ? I'm not denying that. I'm just saying there are no logical reason in a religious ban when people lie all of the time about their faith. 

3) lol go to the United States and see how business is. Chic fil À and gay rights, conservative business owners influencing secular companies, etc. Unfortunately, business is affected by personal moral beliefs