Its amazing that Gaga is/was able to hide her PTSD symptoms

[Katie14 4,828]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

I think it was this era, just some few months ago when she mentioned that back then life wasn't all glorious. If I recall correctly, it was about the time where she talked about being stalked on the beach by paparazzi on that ABC morning show. I think there she also mentioned that she basically almost every day freaked out because of the enormous paparazzi crowds following her, tearing at her physically and had panic attacks because of it.

She talked about panic attacks and not feeling safe in her body during that 40 minute interview with a radio talk person. She talked about being stalked during  CBS sunday morning. She never talked about staying in cars or being freaked out daily. 

[Supersonic 49,376]

2 minutes ago, Katie14 said:

She talked about panic attacks and not feeling safe in her body during that 40 minute interview with a radio talk person. She talked about being stalked during  CBS sunday morning. She never talked about staying in cars or being freaked out daily. 

I'm on it trying to look for it, because I really do remember her saying it. Hopefull it wasn't a Perfect Illusion.

[Gagadonna 10,801]

23 minutes ago, Katie14 said:

From reading her letter and reading about other people's experiences with the disorder, its incredible that she is able to function normally in public. There is really very little indication that there is something wrong. Its clear she was very anxious during most of her Joanne era interviews. Her body language (fidgeting, rubbing her fingers, legs) is a dead giveaway. But other than that, I have never noticed anything. PTSD is extremely debilitating and its hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that she has it. How has she never dissociated or had flashbacks in public?

Truthfully, we really know very little about Gaga and this is just another example that proves that. 

I think you are wrong... If we think carefully about it, it's been actually obvious since the beginning. We try to find indications of PTSD in the persona of Lady Gaga... the thing is the whole persona is the indication. 

What I mean is inventing oneself a whole new personality is not common, even for a pop star. Lady Gaga is not just a stage persona, it's a whole new person Stefani invented when she was young through which she lived for years. Remember when she said she asked her parents to call her Gaga? Remember when she said she would sleep sometimes with her wigs? The thing is Stefani was under a severe identity crisis. All the eccentricities, of course it was for the show, but not only. Her mind was messed up. At the end, she could not distinguishs Gaga from Stefani and she burst out. This may be one of the reasons why she contradicted herself so often. To draw a quick comparison, Stefani is the main actress in Black Swan, and Lady Gaga is the character she is obsessed with and without which she cannot live anymore. 

I feel like she is only recovering right now, and that leaving the Gaga persona aside for the Joanne era was more than necessary for her mental health, which must be why signs are more noticeable at the moment.

The thing is, Stefani is such a complex person that we could write essays and books about her... 

[alp0707 5,626]

Remember during ARTPOP she was so overwhelmed by the crowd in front of her hotel and she jumped to street and nearly  crushed by a bus

and we have this interview

and this 

 

[Supersonic 49,376]

@Katie14

She talked about not being able to get out of her car here.

EDIT: The thing has been google translated by the OP, I'll translate the part in question!

Spoiler

Q: Der Ruhm hat Ihnen aber doch auch Freiheiten gegeben. Sie klingen, als wären sie heute entspannter als zu Karrierebeginn.

Das bin ich auch. Aber nur, weil ich akzeptiert habe, wie es ist. Früher, wenn ich in einen Supermarkt gegangen bin und überall Paparazzi waren, habe ich Panikattacken bekommen, konnte nicht aus dem Auto aussteigen, habe geweint.

Translation:

Fame also gave you a lot of freedoms. You sound like you are more relaxed than at the beginning of your career.

Gaga: I am. But only because I accepted the situation for what it is. Back in the day, when I went grocery shopping and paparazzi where everywhere, I had panic attacks, couldn't get out of my car and cried.

 

 

[Fame IV 4,426]

Strong woman. I love her.

[Katie14 4,828]

7 minutes ago, Gagadonna said:

I think you are wrong... If we think carefully about it, it's been actually obvious since the beginning. We try to find indications of PTSD in the persona of Lady Gaga... the thing is the whole persona is the indication. 

What I mean is inventing oneself a whole new personality is not common, even for a pop star. Lady Gaga is not just a stage persona, it's a whole new person Stefani invented when she was young through which she lived for years. Remember when she said she asked her parents to call her Gaga? Remember when she said she would sleep sometimes with her wigs? The thing is Stefani was under a severe identity crisis. All the eccentricities, of course it was for the show, but not only. Her mind was messed up. At the end, she could not distinguishs Gaga from Stefani and she burst out. This may be one of the reasons why she contradicted herself so often. To draw a quick comparison, Stefani is the main actress in Black Swan, and Lady Gaga is the character she is obsessed with and without which she cannot live anymore. 

I feel like she is only recovering right now, and that leaving the Gaga persona aside for the Joanne era was more than necessary for her mental health, which must be why signs are more noticeable at the moment.

The thing is, Stefani is such a complex person that we could write essays and books about her... 

I guess if you look at it that way, its like everything we saw was a coping mechanism. But I don't think she created a new personality. Lady Gaga was like the stronger version of Stefani. 

[Katie14 4,828]

11 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

@Katie14

She talked about not being able to get out of her car here.

EDIT: The thing has been google translated by the OP, I'll translate the part in question!

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Q: Der Ruhm hat Ihnen aber doch auch Freiheiten gegeben. Sie klingen, als wären sie heute entspannter als zu Karrierebeginn.

Das bin ich auch. Aber nur, weil ich akzeptiert habe, wie es ist. Früher, wenn ich in einen Supermarkt gegangen bin und überall Paparazzi waren, habe ich Panikattacken bekommen, konnte nicht aus dem Auto aussteigen, habe geweint.

Translation:

Fame also gave you a lot of freedoms. You sound like you are more relaxed than at the beginning of your career.

Gaga: I am. But only because I accepted the situation for what it is. Back in the day, when I went grocery shopping and paparazzi where everywhere, I had panic attacks, couldn't get out of my car and cried.

 

 

I never read that interview  Sorry. Don't know how its possible for me to miss anything. Maybe it got translated after the thread was created and i never checked back. 

[Katie14 4,828]

1 hour ago, alp0707 said:

Remember during ARTPOP she was so overwhelmed by the crowd in front of her hotel and she jumped to street and nearly  crushed by a bus

and we have this interview

and this 

 

Those are not fair examples. In the first one, she didn't sleep for two days and in the second, she was passing out from jet lag and being overheated. 

[hELXIG 42,966]

Well I think in past era she pushed it down reallly far, and was drunk and/or high a lot of the time. Like... a lot more than we knew 

But in earlier interviews I always got a skittish/anxious vibe from her. I always thought she was hiding anxiety. She's really strong in the way that she's good at hiding things. But she's not hiding them any more. She's allowed herself to be 

Here's just one example. If you watch her hands throughout the whole interview she's fidgetting, moving her fingers, gripping onto the chair for her life. Keep watching her hands:

 

[Katie14 4,828]

4 minutes ago, Helxig said:

Well I think in past era she pushed it down reallly far, and was drunk and/or high a lot of the time. Like... a lot more than we knew 

But in earlier interviews I always got a skittish/anxious vibe from her. I always thought she was hiding anxiety. She's really strong in the way that she's good at hiding things. But she's not hiding them any more. She's allowed herself to be 

Here's just one example. If you watch her hands throughout the whole interview she's fidgetting, moving her fingers, gripping onto the chair for her life. Keep watching her hands:

 

Yea, that's one of the few interviews not from this era where you can tell that she is really anxious and/or on drugs. Also the one where she has the netting over her eyes. But its surprising how there are only a handful of moments like this. For the vast majority of performances, interviews, appearances, ect, she acts completely normal. 

[TommyJade 29]

One of the reasons Gaga is so high functioning compared to others with similar symptoms is that she does have a team of people around her and the resources to get any treatment she needs. That makes such a huge difference.

It is also noticeable that she is very strict about managing energy - read up on spoon theory to get more info: https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/

With my anxiety disorder, I've always had comments from people that I come across a lot more healthier then I am. At my sickest, I could get it together for short periods of time such as doctor or social worker appointments. Even when my symptoms were borderlining on psychotic. 

I can dissociate and still maintain a conservation. (I haven't dissociated for ages though thanks to my meds - maybe its similar for her). I'd feel disconnected from reality but could ground myself and stay calm. It's easier for me to not get anxious if I feel like I'm in a controlled environment.

My hunch is that she is strict about staying on top of her symptoms, medication is probably helping and she is reducing exposures to triggers (like too many appearances/interviews etc.)

It's awesome that people are trying to educate themselves about PTSD but remember that symptoms impact on everyone differently and people have their own coping mechanisms. When that is called into doubt - even if its just by people who are curious - it can be really triggering. "People don't think I look sick. Is it all in my head?"

Not knocking anyone. It'd be fab if she'd talk more about her experience as people could learn a lot from it.  

[SilkSpectre0 547]

Many of us who have it could always tell 

[Joshie S 6,071]

10 hours ago, Gagadonna said:

I think you are wrong... If we think carefully about it, it's been actually obvious since the beginning. We try to find indications of PTSD in the persona of Lady Gaga... the thing is the whole persona is the indication. 

What I mean is inventing oneself a whole new personality is not common, even for a pop star. Lady Gaga is not just a stage persona, it's a whole new person Stefani invented when she was young through which she lived for years. Remember when she said she asked her parents to call her Gaga? Remember when she said she would sleep sometimes with her wigs? The thing is Stefani was under a severe identity crisis. All the eccentricities, of course it was for the show, but not only. Her mind was messed up. At the end, she could not distinguishs Gaga from Stefani and she burst out. This may be one of the reasons why she contradicted herself so often. To draw a quick comparison, Stefani is the main actress in Black Swan, and Lady Gaga is the character she is obsessed with and without which she cannot live anymore. 

I feel like she is only recovering right now, and that leaving the Gaga persona aside for the Joanne era was more than necessary for her mental health, which must be why signs are more noticeable at the moment.

The thing is, Stefani is such a complex person that we could write essays and books about her... 

WOW. I have to say, this was absolutely amazing and so ****ing accurate. 

[Katie14 4,828]

3 hours ago, SilkSpectre0 said:

Many of us who have it could always tell 

Can you give some specific examples?