lego 44,165 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Which Western countries actually recognize witchcraft as a religion? Are they allowed to have temples, rooms for animal sacrifices etc? What if person's religion doesn't allow him/her to respect witchcraft or to believe it's just harmless religion? What if it's seen as evil? Will you respect that? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beverlyhills 287 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, aquariumlust said: I really don't think prejudice is a strong enough word for a bunch of horrified white people on a forum telling ancient african religious practitioners that they are psychopaths and monsters. In fact, Witchcraft itself is a worship of nature and we have a very very deep respect for life. When these "psychopaths" "slaughter" a chicken they are doing it with deep respect and in a very ceremonious way and the chicken is often blessed and treated extremely well before the sacrifice to keep it clean for the god. In my religion we have a deep respect for nature, we worship it, and we understand the impact of killing another living thing. I don't practice animal sacrifice and most wiccans, witches, and even satanists don't either but those that do do so with spiritual respect for their god. Because you don't understand it, you are quick to call it crazy and criticize even though you are extremely ignorant about other races and religions apparently. First of all miss thing, I never said what she did was wrong? Where'd you get that idea from? I was just defending her in the other thread. I respect her beliefs and I respect and admire voodoo/witchcraft, i have practiced witchcraft before so i really don't understand why you're coming for me, pumpkin pie. I was simply stating the fact that prejudice against a religion is NOT racism. Goodnight. ~ eshalala cundala get up off those d!cks ~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: Even if u killed with ansethetics, the lives of the animals we use are still awful. Factory farms use animals that feel pain everyday of their lives both physically and emotionally. It can't be compared to growing crops. And if ur next question is, "what if we get rid of factory farms and animals live nice cozy lives and then are killed painlessly" then my answer is that that senario is far, far away from reality and we can discuss it when it happens or is even close to happening. Until you prove that plants don't feel any pain or pain comparable to animals and justify why is OK to kill them, then you can't really say anything about those killing animals to eat. Now, killing animals for some powers that will never come is just wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlust 115 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, lego said: Which Western countries actually recognize witchcraft as a religion? Are they allowed to have temples, rooms for animal sacrifices etc? What if person's religion doesn't allow him/her to respect witchcraft or to believe it's just harmless religion? What if it's seen as evil? Will you respect that? The united states recognizes witchcraft/wicca as a religion.....officially....that would've been an easy one to google. Christianity "is not allowed" to respect witchcraft and sees it as evil and "devil worship" (even though the Devil is a Christian construct and is not recognized in any withcraft tradition that I know of - even Satanism) and actually there are a lot of passages and references specifically to witches and magic users. And I do respect that. Most of my family are Christian and I love them very much and vice versa. Respect and compassion for different beliefs is really the key to a happy life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlust 115 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, beverlyhills said: First of all miss thing, I never said what she did was wrong? Where'd you get that idea from? I was just defending her in the other thread. I respect her beliefs and I respect and admire voodoo/witchcraft, i have practiced witchcraft before so i really don't understand why you're coming for me, pumpkin pie. I was simply stating the fact that prejudice against a religion is NOT racism. Goodnight. Well aren't you just a tart little slice of lemon meringue. Nobody came for you and our opinions of racism our different apparently so have a good night kind sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, aquariumlust said: The united states recognizes witchcraft/wicca as a religion.....officially....that would've been an easy one to google. Christianity "is not allowed" to respect witchcraft and sees it as evil and "devil worship" (even though the Devil is a Christian construct and is not recognized in any withcraft tradition that I know of - even Satanism) and actually there are a lot of passages and references specifically to witches and magic users. And I do respect that. Most of my family are Christian and I love them very much and vice versa. Respect and compassion for different beliefs is really the key to a happy life. Google just tells me there is a debate if witchcraft is religion or not. So you do respect that Christianity in it's core has no respect for your practices? In fact all 3 major Abrahamic religions condemn witchcraft and have no respect for it. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, Paris Hilton said: They may feel pain, but they have no emotional intelligence or capacity to then care about the pain, which differentiates them for animals. Anyways, whether plants feel pain or not are beside the subject, the original point you brought up is that if you aren't eating the animal (which we are for some reason assuming Azealia hasn't) then you are bad person and are deserving of any hate you get. So with that logic, your point applies to people who waste their meat products (ex. forgetting to cook a chicken in their fridge and it goes off or simply not finishing their food). @ Everyone: I'm not an Azealia fan so don't think I am, but I do respect her religious beliefs and think it's hypocritical to an extent if you eat meat and think what she's doing is bad (I'm not vegan or vegetarian) Pain is pain. Whether you think about it or not. And yes my point also applies to people that waste their food. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Enigma said: Until you prove that plants don't feel any pain or pain comparable to animals and justify why is OK to kill them, then you can't really say anything about those killing animals to eat. Now, killing animals for some powers that will never come is just wrong If you're really telling me that u believe that a plant grown on a field suffers as much over their lives as a factory farmed animal who is branded, castrated, dehorned without pain killers and kept in cages to small to turn around in, then whatever. People believe Trump is honest, so I guess u can believe whatever. But u must also remember that because of the nature of raising animals, a lot of plants are used as well. Meaning that eating meat is far costly on plant lives then a vegan diet. Therefore a vegan diet causes the least death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayonetta 9,844 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Enigma said: Until you prove that plants don't feel any pain or pain comparable to animals and justify why is OK to kill them, then you can't really say anything about those killing animals to eat. Now, killing animals for some powers that will never come is just wrong With your logic that we have to consider plants may feel pain, can't we also assume that Azealia's sacrifices may be working or have some 'magical' effects until proven wrong? I'm not talking about shooting fireballs or whatever but I do know that witches do things like these in order to bring themselves luck or better health. So technically that hasn't been proven or disproved with certainty yet. (In no way am I saying that I believe her sacrifices are doing anything, but how could I know ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabbitHeart 795 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, beverlyhills said: First of all miss thing, I never said what she did was wrong? Where'd you get that idea from? I was just defending her in the other thread. I respect her beliefs and I respect and admire voodoo/witchcraft, i have practiced witchcraft before so i really don't understand why you're coming for me, pumpkin pie. I was simply stating the fact that prejudice against a religion is NOT racism. Goodnight. This ignores the intersectionality between religion and race, though. The reason why so many people are quick to look down upon her religion and its practices is because it is a traditional African religion that Western civilization (a.k.a. the caucasians, the whites™) looked down upon and specifically associated and taught its people to associate with "savages" and being "uncivilized". The reason her religion is in this position, instead of say Christianity, is because her ancestors weren't white. It involves race and IS racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beverlyhills 287 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, aquariumlust said: Well aren't you just a tart little slice of lemon meringue. Nobody came for you and our opinions of racism our different apparently so have a good night kind sir. Well I just go by the actual definition of racism instead of a SJW mindset but you do you. And yes you did come for me, calling me ignorant as if I have ever said anything wrong about witchcraft when I practice it myself. You got clocked, it's time to move on honey, goodbye. ~ eshalala cundala get up off those d!cks ~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayonetta 9,844 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: If you're really telling me that u believe that a plant grown on a field suffers as much over their lives as a factory farmed animal who is branded, castrated, dehorned without pain killers and kept in cages to small to turn around in, then whatever. People believe Trump is honest, so I guess u can believe whatever. But u must also remember that because of the nature of raising animals, a lot of plants are used as well. Meaning that eating meat is far costly on plant lives then a vegan diet. Therefore a vegan diet causes the least death. I've run outta likes, but drag him sis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlust 115 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, lego said: Google just tells me there is a debate if witchcraft is religion or not. So you do respect that Christianity in it's core has no respect for your practices? In fact all 3 major Abrahamic religions condemn witchcraft and have no respect for it. Absolutely. Do I personally allow disrespect when engaging with me? Absolutely not. I expect respect for my beliefs with anyone I speak to because I give people that same respect. There is no debate. Witchcraft/Wicca is recognized as a religion in the US and there were decrees along with this that allowed prisoners/military to be given the tools to practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Born To Slay said: If you're really telling me that u believe that a plant grown on a field suffers as much over their lives as a factory farmed animal who is branded, castrated, dehorned without pain killers and kept in cages to small to turn around in, then whatever. People believe Trump is honest, so I guess u can believe whatever. But u must also remember that because of the nature of raising animals, a lot of plants are used as well. Meaning that eating meat is far costly on plant lives then a vegan diet. Therefore a vegan diet causes the least death. You think an animal suffers more because you can imagine what is happening to the animal happening to you since we have much more similar bodies to animals then plants. But what about when plants are polluted, pulled, cut, twisted, and sometimes eaten alive? And the cost here is not really part of our discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Just now, Paris Hilton said: I've run outta likes, but drag him sis I can't believe I'm having this convo but it's my duty as a vegan to educate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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