The hypocrisy towards witchcraft and Azealia Banks

[Born To Slay 10,996]

1 minute ago, aquariumlust said:

Religious practice is not "trivial" to the practitioner. The animal sacrifice aspect of many African and Latin American religions WERE used for survival. In their belief, they were sacrificing farm/herd animals to please their god for a good crop or to help their village. These practices have remained in the tradition into modern times and for many this is their belief system and should be respected.

Like I said in another forum on this subject, it's not my job at all to enlighten you about why you should have compassion towards other religions and why you should not speak on things that you are ignorant about.

 

Religion doesn't justify harming people or animals. I don't give a **** about their beliefs. If a religion said human sacrifice was needed, then I'd say the same thing. I don't respect beliefs that harm innocent beings, it's why I don't respect the right wing and why I don't respect animal sacrifice.

This is a secular society, you can do whatever u want as long as it doesn't harm others and as we progress on animal rights, it's gonna start counting as harming others. 

 

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13 minutes ago, RainbowBlonde said:

Wow, way to put things in my mouth. You told me to come up with something that's worse, so I did try to find something that I think is crazier. But that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. Yes, my belief does not support that type of action, but neither do I towards killing animals myself. But you know what, I respect them. That's what the society is lacking right now. Respect. 

I'm so done with people doing immoral things because their god(s) tell them to. If Christians started to stone gay people would you respect that? Their religion tells them to, but its still not ok

And why should a chicken's life be worth so much less than a humans that its ok for them to die out of religious beliefs but not for humans. Do you respect that they almost killed that child? 

And I'll respect anything you want to do in the name of religion, besides killing, raping, stealing etc. There becomes a point where morality is more important that whatever faith you have

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1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

I suppose I had never thought about it that way. It's just that I found it difficult because it feels like I'm cheating one out when I say that I want to respect your beliefs, but I won't respect someone else's. 

And, I suppose in this situation, it also has to deal with the fact that it's a practice and belief that is shunned upon and isn't widely practiced, and plus, it's Azealia Banks. 

Yeah totally, I mean - I'm not somebody who subscribes to the "Oh I can't dare and offend anybodies religious beliefs!" way of thinking. There are times when I think it's totally appropriate to criticise religious beliefs and practices even when it offends.

I think with major religions especially, dissenting voices can be very important and it becomes an attack on the dominant culture.

I just think in cases like this, it's hardly an epidemic and it's really more effective to talk about the issue outside of sensitive cultural and religious contexts. Effective is really the key word I suppose, if it was more effective to criticise or insult somebodies religious beliefs with the end result being less suffering than feelings be damned - somebody is going to be offended  I certainly still value the welfare of the animals more than I do AB's feelings.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

3 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Why is OK and mandatory to kill plants and not animals? You could survive just by eating meat and not plants.

Two things, 

1. Animals and plants are not comparable on the level of sentience, if u wanna make the argument that plants feel certain things then cool but they certainly don't feel fear, pain, etc on the level of animal. Throw in the massive cruelty of factory farms and it's no contest that an animal suffers far, far, more then a plant does.

2. Eating meat causes more plant death anyway. Every animal u brought into the world solely to be killed, had to be fed a massive amount of plants. Every cow you eat, ate at least a years worth of plants, so you could potentially kill more plants in a year then I will in a life time. So vegans have the least amount of death on their hands. That's why they're morally on top.

[Quark 7,098]

5 minutes ago, RainbowBlonde said:

Well...I mean...animals can feel pain, I guess? Eating meat requires the pain of other living things. While vegetables are...vegetables.

There are studies that show that plants could also feel pain. http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

This is inconclusive but the possibility is there. Also if pain is the issue then can we kill animals if they have anesthetics before they are killed?

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1 minute ago, Yo GagaGaga said:

I'm so done with people doing immoral things because their god(s) tell them to. If Christians started to stone gay people would you respect that? Their religion tells them to, but its still not ok

And why should a chicken's life be worth so much less than a humans that its ok for them to die out of religious beliefs but not for humans. Do you respect that they almost killed that child? 

And I'll respect anything you want to do in the name of religion, besides killing, raping, stealing etc. There becomes a point where morality is more important that whatever faith you have

I respect something because I can relate to it on a certain level. Sorry that I am not an animal lover like you, but I do eat animals. Animals that go through pain and suffering to end up on my plate. And I do believe that it is just as bad as killing them for sacrifice to a higher being. 

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12 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Why is OK and mandatory to kill plants and not animals? You could survive just by eating meat and not plants.

 

 

 

 

plants aren't sentient. when vegans refer to not eating living things, they mean it in a way which they don't eat sentient things which are aware and have emotions, it's a simple concept to grasp if you put your mind to it.

edit: many typos 

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34 minutes ago, Batwings said:

I think the issue that many members are having is that religion is often criticized and mocked on here for various reasons, but A.B. seems to be getting a free pass for her religious beliefs with some members.

Just to clarify, why is it OK to mock Evangelical Christians for believing that homosexuality is evil but not OK to mock the belief that the act killing and/or torturing animals creates some sort of magical powers?

Mte, every single time anything about Christianity comes up in this forum it becomes a religion shaming fest, and not just because of the homophobia but also just for believing in a God.

Both sides here are hiding in their double standards and those who are defending her are just using it for their vegan agenda and they cant see past that.

There are more sides and hundreds of animal rights issues than meat eating, all the animal populations in the world are dropping exponentially, for many more reasons than meat, and its annoying and very stupid that we cant discuss that without bringing hamburgers to the table.

Fur, leather, ecosystem destruction, sea destruction, pollution, hunting for fun, mistreatment/torture in every level, zoo conditions, circus, animal trafficking, ivory, and in this case, rituals, but no, we cant discuss any of that without having an annoying vegan who thinks theyre a superhero giving people lectures.

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1 minute ago, RainbowBlonde said:

I respect something because I can relate to it on a certain level. Sorry that I am not an animal lover like you, but I do eat animals. Animals that go through pain and suffering to end up on my plate. And I do believe that it is just as bad as killing them for sacrifice to a higher being. 

It's called morals.

Society is changing. People are still eating meat, sure. But look at what the vegan movement has done. There's more vegans and vegetarians then ever before. But that's one thing.

Killing animals, purely for the sake of ritual, because your religion is just insanity. That's called extremism. And extremes are never a good idea. People use religion as an excuse to slice others up. That's ****ed up. Not tolerable.

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2 minutes ago, Paris Hilton said:

plants aren't sentient. when vegans refer to not eating living things, they mean it in a way which they don't eat sentient things which are aware and have emotions, it's a simple concept to grasp if you put your mind to it.

edit: many typos 

There are studies that show that plants could also feel pain. http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

This is inconclusive but the possibility is there. Also if pain is the issue then can we kill animals if they have anesthetics before they are killed?

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2 minutes ago, Adakam said:

Mte, every single time anything about Christianity comes up in this forum it becomes a religion shaming fest, and not just because of the homophobia but also just for believing in a God.

Both sides here are hiding in their double standards and those who are defending her are just using it for their vegan agenda and they cant see past that.

There are more sides and hundreds of animal rights issues than meat eating, all the animal populations in the world are dropping exponentially, for many more reasons than meat, and its annoying and very stupid that we cant discuss that without bringing hamburgers to the table.

Fur, leather, ecosystem destruction, sea destruction, pollution, hunting for fun, mistreatment/torture in every level, zoo conditions, circus, animal trafficking, ivory, and in this case, rituals, but no, we cant discuss any of that without having an annoying vegan who thinks theyre a superhero giving people lectures.

Perpetuating the idea that you can be an animal lover and animal killer is enabling our society to keep killing animals.

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6 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

 

Religion doesn't justify harming people or animals. I don't give a **** about their beliefs. If a religion said human sacrifice was needed, then I'd say the same thing. I don't respect beliefs that harm innocent beings, it's why I don't respect the right wing and why I don't respect animal sacrifice.

This is a secular society, you can do whatever u want as long as it doesn't harm others and as we progress on animal rights, it's gonna start counting as harming others. 

 

You're a very special snowflake and the world loves you.

Santerias and Brujas have been sacrificing chickens for hundreds of years and you'll do very little to change that. I also don't think it's okay for an American white teenager to tell practicing Santerias with roots in Africa how to express their spirituality.

It's not up to you and your moral compass to decide what's best for everyone in the world. Not everyone values the life of a chicken and if you do then good for you. Your time and voice would be better spent talking to/caring about the major companies that slaughter chickens in brutal ways every single day by the millions and leave the few hundred thousand Santerias alone and let them be.

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12 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Two things, 

1. Animals and plants are not comparable on the level of sentience, if u wanna make the argument that plants feel certain things then cool but they certainly don't feel fear, pain, etc on the level of animal. Throw in the massive cruelty of factory farms and it's no contest that an animal suffers far, far, more then a plant does.

2. Eating meat causes more plant death anyway. Every animal u brought into the world solely to be killed, had to be fed a massive amount of plants. Every cow you eat, ate at least a years worth of plants, so you could potentially kill more plants in a year then I will in a life time. So vegans have the least amount of death on their hands. That's why they're morally on top.

Can you tell exactly how much a plant suffers when you kill one? We just don't know for sure. There have been studies that show that plants are under stress you you kill one. there has Also been studies that bring the possibility that other organs other then the brain also "think". Also if pain is the concern then why does "who suffered more" matter? Pain is pain. Also can we kill animals under anesthetics?

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3 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Perpetuating the idea that you can be an animal lover and animal killer is enabling our society to keep killing animals.

And perpetuating the idea that being vegan will save the animal kingdom dismissing all the issues I mentioned is killing even more animals.

Can we have a conversation about fur without bringing food to the conversation? to really discuss the fur industry, its branches, and figure out solutions? Not in GGD.